any christians here in this entire site please stand up
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UPDATED: Monday, September 22, 2025 14:45
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
This is from your first post on this thread.....
2) No they certainly cannot prove the existance of god in detail. If that were true, then we would all have been believers a long time ago.
Look at there website. QED.
Point of fact, if there was an indisputable existance proof of god, when read, we couldn't deny god's existance. Thus we'd all not just believe that god exists, but know that god exists.
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
BTW, you'll get whatever I want to give in my reply. Just as you do. My posts are quite civil when compared to your history of rants and insults to anyone who disagrees with any of your opinions.
Do try to keep the self importance to a minimum.
And I don't have to reply to nor pay attention to your posts if you do not keep it civil and you have the same right to do that to me.
My past history in no way justifies any ill behaviour on your part. I have behaved in a civil manner in this thread and for the past quite some time. So, I think I deserve it reciprocated.
Also, if you look at my last blog, you'll note that I noticed that this site has gotten collectively more and more angry over the past little while (I'm not alone in this opinion either).
I have decided to become part of the solution. Part of that is to not entertain those that post insulting and/or mean and/or condescending and/or ... comments.
I plan on moving forward and sticking to this as best as I can (I cannot change the past). What you do is up to you. But I do hope that this jockeying for position stuff can end.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Yeah, that's right. That's how they got there. I knew there had to be a non-supernatural reason.
Actually, I was being silly with that one. You know -- trying to beat the skeptics to their "logical" explanation for the chariots being there at the bottom of the Red Sea.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
IMO, if god is as kind and generous as people say (and exists), then no-one that has lead as good life as they could has anything to worry about. I can't see and all benevolent god damning someone to an eternity of fire and brimestone just because they didn't believe for a very finite amount of time. That's just my opinion though
Well, I won't go into detailed theology here. For one thing, it'll bore the heck out of nearly everyone.
However, if you're actually interested in my attempt to explain what I think the Bible teaches in this regard, feel free to ask. I'll respond via private message. If not, not.
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Originally posted by rue:
The Gospel of Thomas (sometimes called the Heresy of Thomas, I think) is one of my two favorite religious writings. The other is the Lao Tzu.
The Gospel of Thomas doesn't have biographical notes (and then Jesus left the Sea of Galilee for the city of ...), it is filled with quotes.
"Jesus said ...
If those who lead you say to you, 'See the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather the kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
The Gospel of Thomas the Doubter?
And yeah, it's full of stuff that didn't help the cause of Roman Catholicism, like control, so it was removed.
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Originally posted by Cartoon:
Actually, I was being silly with that one. You know -- trying to beat the skeptics to their "logical" explanation for the chariots being there at the bottom of the Red Sea.
The Bible doesn't place the parting of the sea and the drowning of the Egyptian Chariots in the Red sea, so no matter what the explanation its not from the Bible, your ignorance of your own religion is astounding, not that you'll read this so I can say what I like
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear
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Those who argue that the Thomas Gospel predates Mathew, Mark, Luke and John would say it comes from Thomas the Apostle.
On another note, something I've always wondered about is why Christians even refer to the Old Testament. Wasn't Jesus doing away with the old and creating a new from-the-ground-up compact with god ?
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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May I assume that you're getting at, the bible is along the lines of a "moral guide."
Nope, I am saying that it is irrelevant to someone who is incorporating the values. It doesn't hold up in an argument unless you are basing your entire arguments validity on your 'historical evidence.' We can argue whether it is useful or not to argue historically in some other thread, I would prefer arguments on doctrine and understanding....
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if you work on Sunday, you will be put to death. Not exactly a statement that gives the warm fuzzies.
LOL, now that takes a whole different historical approach doesn't it? Hehehe, the history of writing and such...ah what a quagmire of a topic! But, none the less...no fuzzies for me either
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IMO, all religions are the same, they just go about it in a different way.
From my study (FOR THE MOST PART, MOST PART) the values are very similar....but that too doesn't affect or hinder the arguments for or against Christianity...but it is awfully interesting to see how alike most religions truly are!!!
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(Yes, I've used exageration in the above. By all, I mean vast majority that I've studied.)
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For instance, Christanity generally promots that if you don't do x, you'll go to Hell for all eternity.
I have to disagree here (sigh). The notion of doing this or not doing that leads to hell is an absurdly simplified notion that can quite easily lead one to believe that God is some type of ogre who has no conception of human interaction, influences, etc etc etc. It also can lead to a very unmerciful view of God. The toughest thing about scripture and the like is the 'reading between the lines'. But, if you take it literally, then well...*sigh*...my argument is useless for you....
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Many paths to the same objective
Yep, could be...could be...nothing to say here
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"or true"?
Hey
don't insinuate...that is just silly 
COPILOT
I am sure He is still in your life....you will find Him in someway or form....
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The vast majority of Christains I knew were evil backstabbing gossipy awfull awfull people
I know, it is sad that those burned out bulbs of the Christian community burn the brightest...good luck
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Back in Biblical days, it was considered de rigeur to sacrifice your child, if the Voice of God told you to do so. Now, it's considered criminal, or possibly criminally insane. There's a lot in the Bible we prolly wouldn't want to follow. But as a document of religious myth, it's quite fascinating. I've never had time to read the Gospel of Thomas, but I heard its very different from what was eventually selected by the Church around 600 AD and might actually be closer to the original teachings.
*sigh*
I really don't want this to be offensive, and if it is I appologize in advance...But, that was the silliest thing I have ever heard....
-OD
I can't write anymore...too much to write...this is about it...
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Originally posted by rue:
Something I've always wondered about is why Christians even refer to the Old Testament. Wasn't Jesus doing away with the old and creating a new from-the-ground-up compact with god ?
Since you asked, actually Jesus said He had not come "to destroy the Law or the Prophets," that He did not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Also, that not one jot or tittle would pass from the Law until all is fulfilled.
Jesus didn't come to replace Judiasm, but fulfill it. That's the short explaination. If you want a longer one, I'd be happy to make an effort to provide you with one to the best I can. If not, not.
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And yet Jesus preached against existing religion based on the OT.
You will not be defiled by what goes into your mouth, rather by what comes out of it ... there are only two important commandments, love god with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself ...
Just two examples of the many preachings that sought to do away with the influence of the OT.
edited to add: In one way or another Jesus said - follow him. This was reiterated openly and in various guises. You must give up all you have and follow me, I am the way, pearl of great price, light under a bushel, seeds on fertile ground, mustard seed, prodigal son etc. And the only things he ever preached were love god above all and your neighbour as yourself.
It seems pretty clear to me - you must follow him. No one else.
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Originally posted by leelu7777:
fine live in darkness live in emptiness and die go to a place where you will have every disease and every mental sickness ever created because a misconception. I dont know what happened to you to get that idea but he will never let you down it just takes some time for every thing to take place. he lived for you he died for you and this is how you repay him he died because the devil took the keys of heaven so no one could enter he had a chance to flee the garden of olives and leave the people that cursed him and let you burn he could have had a long and furfilled life but no he was beaten broken and nailed at a tree his children spit on him and he knew it would happen he could of shunned them left them to suffer in etrenal darkness but no he forgave the ones that cursed him and you say he dosent care ha as a christian I know him speak to him and feel his love and his peace and then to hear the words of hate twards him to think people would rather chose emptyness and pain over peace and true everlasting love because of past wrong doings fine you have a choice not mine who am I to tell you it your life
i'm in the world not of it
AHHHHHh.....Help, I need commas and periods!!!! I thought I was a Christian, but is there something I can do to not be associated with this person?
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What can I say? There are many who've gone to great lengths to erase distinctions - the world is so much clearer in black and white.
See 'demonization' threads.
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Quote:Why silly? I thought the whole thing about Abraham sacrificing Isaac was a test of faith.
Back in Biblical days, it was considered de rigeur to sacrifice your child, if the Voice of God told you to do so. Now, it's considered criminal, or possibly criminally insane. There's a lot in the Bible we prolly wouldn't want to follow. But as a document of religious myth, it's quite fascinating. I've never had time to read the Gospel of Thomas, but I heard its very different from what was eventually selected by the Church around 600 AD and might actually be closer to the original teachings.- Signy
*sigh*
Quote:Now, I find a lot of interesting things about this particular passage. One that isn't mentioned much nowadays is that the Old Testament God was like a lot of gods in the region- he liked his sacrifices. The scent of burning flesh wafting to heaven was meant to propitiate this fearsome (but appraently bribable) entity. The other thing that I think is interesting in that the sacrifice had to be worth something. I mean, sure, you could go cheap and buy yourself a dove at the temple (and pay the money-changers a stiff price for the right coin, I'll bet) but if you REALLY wanted to make your point with God, you'd go grab your best ram from the flock. Now that's a sacrifice. It's just one step further to sacrifice a son. And indeed, there are people today who hear God's voice telling them to kill their children and they do (It's a test of faith you see) and they usually get put on thorazine or some such so they can make a lucid case for themselves at trial.
(Gen 22 NIV) Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. {2} Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
The other point I find interesting about this passage... and gives you an idea about how society has changed... is that God doesn't expect Abraham to demure because killing a human is morally repugnant, but because Abraham values and loves Isaac. Isaac, in fact, doesn't seem to be part of the equation- not accorded what we call "human rights"- he is simply Abraham's prized possession. In fact, it was quite common in the patriarchal societies of that time to dispose of wives, children, servants and slaves as the master saw fit.
There are lots of other examples; "Here, take my young virginal daughters and do what you will with them, just leave me along with these men of God" and so forth, that we would squirm about today.
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