any christians here in this entire site please stand up
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Originally posted by leelu7777:
yes there is proof its just people dont want to belive they want to be incontrol of everything instead of beliving in a higher being that loves us more that we can bear to the point of death. so they choose no to pay attenion or see that hes all around us and yes I know I sound crazy but this must be said.
Actually the proof that you seem to be pointing to requires belief before it makes sense. The problem with this is that that is no proof at all.
Proof cannot be caste aside. It is proof after all.
But, instead of just stating things without anything to back up your claims (point of fact, this really irritates me), why not provide said proof?
If it really is proof, then we'll all be believers just by reading this thread. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. That is a logical conclusion.
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Since you have it all figured out Sigma, why not prove to all the dumbass religous types that God does not exist?
What proof do you have that your so certain?
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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Originally posted by OmegaDark:
It is very counter-productive to argue from a historical perspective in the first place. The bibles intention was never to give you a historical account for the sake of history, but to give you something you can use for your life today, right now, here, the moment...
May I assume that you're getting at, the bible is along the lines of a "moral guide." If so, I agree to a large extent. I say large extent, because there are a number of passages in the bible that I think should be ignored. eg Exodus 31:14
I don't have a bible here, but from what I remember (
) it basically states that if you work on Sunday, you will be put to death. Not exactly a statement that gives the warm fuzzies.IMO, all religions are the same, they just go about it in a different way.
(Yes, I've used exageration in the above. By all, I mean vast majority that I've studied.)
What I mean by this, is that at the core of all religions, they want people to do the same things eg Don't murder, don't steal, don't... And that the tactics differ among the different religions to get people to actually do (or don't do) these things.
For instance, Christanity generally promots that if you don't do x, you'll go to Hell for all eternity. Wicca enforces this with the rule of three. Etc.
Many paths to the same objective
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Originally posted by OmegaDark:
Even if history does prove the stories true or false, nothing will change the message or intention or truth.
"or true"?
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-David Suzuki
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Since you have it all figured out Sigma, why not prove to all the dumbass religous types that God does not exist?
What proof do you have that your so certain?
What gave you the impression that I "had everything figured out"?
And I'd appreciate a more civil tone in your reply, please.
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Your chariot chasis example is a perfect example of this. To say that they are there and that implies something, or is evidence of something is rather fallacious. One must show that what one is getting at is at the very least the most probable solution before stating something like this.
Actually, I think about 3500 years ago there was a large naval vessel carrying a large number of chariots, which sunk in the middle of the Red Sea, sending all of the chariots to the bottom.
Yeah, that's right. That's how they got there. I knew there had to be a non-supernatural reason.
I know I'm not going to win this one, so I give up. We'll all just have to wait until we die to find out who's right. Either way, I don't have anything to worry about.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I probably confused you with another poster in this thread. Sorry
No problem. You've seen one cartoon, you've seen 'em all.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Since you have it all figured out Sigma, why not prove to all the dumbass religous types that God does not exist?
What proof do you have that your so certain?
What gave you the impression that I "had everything figured out"?
And I'd appreciate a more civil tone in your reply, please.
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
This is from your first post on this thread.....
2) No they certainly cannot prove the existance of god in detail. If that were true, then we would all have been believers a long time ago.
Due to the fact that you cannot disprove that God exists, you then cannot be certain that no one can provide the proof of Gods existance.
Yet in your post you state it as a certainty. If your so sure, where is your proof??????
I ask again.....
BTW, you'll get whatever I want to give in my reply. Just as you do. My posts are quite civil when compared to your history of rants and insults to anyone who disagrees with any of your opinions.
Do try to keep the self importance to a minimum.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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I used to be a christian when I was a kid. For awhile my daddy was even a preacher man. Now I don't feel I could believe in that way. The vast majority of Christains I knew were evil backstabbing gossipy awfull awfull people. My family will never the same. I'm glad my father found god when I was yonge because he was saved from a horrible life of drug use and alcoholism. I will forever be greatfull to christ for that but it's not for me. Faith is wonderfull for those that find it. I'm glad you have something to make this life easier for you.
An I carried such a torch
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Quote:Back in Biblical days, it was considered de rigeur to sacrifice your child, if the Voice of God told you to do so. Now, it's considered criminal, or possibly criminally insane. There's a lot in the Bible we prolly wouldn't want to follow. But as a document of religious myth, it's quite fascinating. I've never had time to read the Gospel of Thomas, but I heard its very different from what was eventually selected by the Church around 600 AD and might actually be closer to the original teachings.
The bibles intention was never to give you a historical account for the sake of history, but to give you something you can use for your life today, right now, here, the moment...
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SIGH There really are people who believe the bible in a literal sense.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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The Gospel of Thomas (sometimes called the Heresy of Thomas, I think) is one of my two favorite religious writings. The other is the Lao Tzu.
The Gospel of Thomas doesn't have biographical notes (and then Jesus left the Sea of Galilee for the city of ...), it is filled with quotes.
"Jesus said ...
If those who lead you say to you, 'See the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather the kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by cartoon:
Actually, I think about 3500 years ago there was a large naval vessel carrying a large number of chariots, which sunk in the middle of the Red Sea, sending all of the chariots to the bottom.
Yeah, that's right. That's how they got there. I knew there had to be a non-supernatural reason.
I know I'm not going to win this one, so I give up. We'll all just have to wait until we die to find out who's right. Either way, I don't have anything to worry about.
I never took that stance that this was about winning or losing. I was just discussing and was trying to seperate what might be an explination vs what isn't.
IMO, if god is as kind and generous as people say (and exists), then no-one that has lead as good life as they could has anything to worry about. I can't see and all benevolent god damning someone to an eternity of fire and brimestone just because they didn't believe for a very finite amount of time. That's just my opinion though
But, it's good to know that you are resonable enough to accept or come up with a more probable explination than a biblical one. Please don't take that the wrong way. It's just that in my experience meeting two people that are religous, that are also resonable in the same thread is a miracle (pun intended
).Regarding the not having to worry thing. I know I'm not Mormon. And if you aren't either, then according to South Park, we both have something to worry about
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Originally posted by cartoon:Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I probably confused you with another poster in this thread. Sorry
No problem. You've seen one cartoon, you've seen 'em all.
See you in the funny pages.
Yah yah, I know.
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
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