who was zoe going to draw on in the bdm?

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OCT0GEN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:21 AM

in the scene where mal is arguing w/ simon about river going ape shit in the maidenhead, there is a short cut to to wash sitting at the table. on the left of the screen you see zoe taking her hand off her gun. ive been trying to figure who she was going to draw on. would she have pulled her gun to stop mal before he really got too rough with simon? i cant imagine she would have thought she needed to pull her gun on simon to "protect" mal thinking simon was going to kick mal's ass. i see simon only fighting defensivly. so what do ya think?

edited cuz i cant type

NOOCYTE

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:28 AM

Zoe's not the sort to draw steel unless she was good and gorram willing to use it. And there's no way in the 'verse she was going to shoot Mal.

One can only assume that she was prepared to disable --or worse, if necessary-- Simon (whom she had recently seen pushed further than he'd ever been before), in case he himself went monkeyshit (could be a Tam thing) on Mal (like, mayhap geting his gun away from him or somesuch).

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TMURRIE

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:39 AM

I think she would have pulled her gun on anyone who pulled their gun first. I don't think she would shoot, but she sure would diffuse the situation. Either it be Mal pointing his gun at Simon, or Simon pulling Mal's gun out. I think she would make sure nothing happened, no matter who was the aggressor...even though both of them were the aggressors really...

KIZYR

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:53 PM

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Originally posted by tmurrie:
I think she would have pulled her gun on anyone who pulled their gun first. I don't think she would shoot, but she sure would diffuse the situation.

Oh yeah... I think when either Zoe or Jayne pulls a gun, everyone quiets down nice and easy, and Zoe's well aware of that. KF

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Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
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CAUSAL

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:09 PM

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Originally posted by tmurrie:
I think she would have pulled her gun on anyone who pulled their gun first. I don't think she would shoot, but she sure would diffuse the situation. Either it be Mal pointing his gun at Simon, or Simon pulling Mal's gun out. I think she would make sure nothing happened, no matter who was the aggressor...even though both of them were the aggressors really...

All due respect, but you gotta be outta yer mind if you think Zoe was preparing herself to draw down on Mal. In the entire series there is never an instance where Zoe fails to back Mal's play, even when he's wrong (as with Patience) or being a total jackass (as in the Alliance-friendly bar on U-Day). If anything, she would have drawn to keep everyone else quiet while Mal did his work on Simon. If Mal had drawn, she wouldn't have needed to--Cap'n would've been in charge, no need for her to do such a thing. Her breaking leather on Mal would be a clear-cut case of insubordination, one Mal wouldn't have taken kindly to. For sake of reference, when the crew is arguing against Mal's plan to disguise Serenity as a reaver ship, the captain skins his weapon, and no one reacts--not even Zoe. Mal is clearly the man in charge and they all respect that. Don't go reading something back into Zoe's character. It's just ridiculous to think that she would have drawn on the captain.

My read on that was that it was just a subconcious thing for Zoe. Trouble was starting, and she wanted to be prepared (especially since it involved her beloved captain).

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MALNOURISHED

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:10 PM

I really don't think that Zoe would ever draw her gun on Mal, unless he was getting ready to shoot Wash. I think she knows Mal well enough to understand that he's angry, but not mad enough to kill Simon. I agree that she's prepared to defuse the situation, just in case Simon gets ahold of a weapon and things get out of hand.

ZEEK

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:20 PM

I 100% think she was one second away from drawing her gun on Mal. I think her questioning him about the man they left behind to the reavers was setting up that Zoe was seeing Mal going over the edge. He already ran off two of the crew. Then he looks like he might just kill another and she is ready to stop him.

I think it was supposed to be a very powerful message to all the fans. If even Zoe thinks Mal is losing control then we all need to take notice.

ZOID

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:22 PM

Zoe was a split second away from plugging Simon Tam, and I doubt very seriously she would have aimed to only disable him. She'd have shot him blindingly fast, and as near to center mass as possible, same as she did with Tracey in "The Message".

The warrior woman is not nearly as squeamish as y'all are dreaming she is, neither is she nearly as altruistic. Case in point, while she did question Mal about leaving the man for the Reavers, after the fact, let's not forget she was the one driving the mule.

...And she didn't hesitate to obey Mal's order to drive away from the man.

Whatever objections she may have to Mal's reasoning, she never fails to follow his lead. If you want to speculate on something along these lines: Why does she so steadfastly follow him? What factor(s) in Zoe's past cause her to trust his judgment so rigorously? Was it something to do with a specific wartime scenario she shared with him? Did Mal save her from something so horrendous that she can never even think about betraying him?

These are the interesting questions, imo. As to the other questions posed above, the answer is simple: She is mechanically -- almost robotically -- devoted to Mal; like she is hard-wired to follow his every order and protect him.

If Joss were to reveal that Zoe was a military robot, built to serve as Mal's counterpart during the war, it would not surprise me in the least...

Observantly,

zoid

P.S.
...although JW would have some 'splainin' to do regarding Zoe wanting a child from Wash. But, he's already got some to do for killing off Wash and not giving her that child, imo.
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CHRISMOORHEAD

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:41 PM

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(could be a Tam thing)

Heh heh, I like that. Smarty arty pretentious family, with a dark secret...

(Cut to the Mayfield's ballroom)
Mr. Mayfield: Excuse me, Dr. Tam, have you met my wife Miranda yet?

Dr. Tam: ...Miranda...

Obviously, we don't need a description of what happens next, but it sheds some light into the episode "Safe", where River mentions the Mayfield's ball this year, and her parents and Simon nervously concur that there was no such event.

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:32 PM

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Originally posted by zoid:
She is mechanically -- almost robotically -- devoted to Mal; like she is hard-wired to follow his every order and protect him.

Except that time she married Wash.

Defiantly,
TCM

P.S. And if it came down to Wash or Mal, she would have (*sob* past tense!) killed Mal to save Wash. I believe that. Mal or Simon? Doctor loses every time. Just sayin'.

BWAH!
TCM

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