I know everyone wants a new Firefly series, but...

POSTED BY: Seba
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 03:15
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KWICKO

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:01 AM

I too was upset that Book and Wash were killed in the movie. Unlike many, though, I feel that Book's death was the larger tragedy, at least in terms of where it might (or might not, in this case) take any future stories of our beloved crew. Of the two killed off, and maybe even among the entire crew, Book's character had by far the most intriguin backstory that needed to be told. And STILL needs to be told.

Wash was great, no doubt about it. His wit and general demeanor will be sorely missed. But I trust Joss to give us new characters that we'll care just as much about, given time (and a new series or more movie sequels).

Also, as has been noted, in life, we don't get to choose who dies, or when. It might seem cruel to have just met someone who seems to be in perfect harmony with you and your world, and then to just as suddenly lose them, but in real life, that does happen. Joss isn't exactly known for pulling his punches as regards character deaths. If you were a fan of his earlier shows (Buffy or Angel), you'd have known already that Joss has a knack for killing off key characters often, and almost as often bringing in new characters that you'll grow to love just as much.

Have a little faith. When (not if) the rest of our crew fly again, I have no doubt we'll find ourselves caring for them as much as we always did. Old friends who are gone may be missed, but there will be good times ahead for those of us still here. And as long as we remember them, they're never really gone.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

SHO

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:11 AM

Book and Wash were ancillary characters. I liked them both, Wash especially. He gave voice to the moral counterpoint to Mal's suggested actions, even though we knew Mal wouldn't actually do some of them. And Book's history is an interesting plot that WILL be thoroughly explored, imo. As others have said here, I was shocked and dismayed with Wash's death, and still might have done something somewhat differently. But, Joss accomplised exactly what he said he needed to do at that point in the movie, scared us all. More of them could die, there were no holds barred after that.

As for a new series, I have to believe with all my heart that a new series is coming and coming soon. And, I believe that the losses of Wash and Book are going to be important and powerful parts of the continuing story that is Firefly.

"We've done the impossible. That makes us mighty"

SEBA

Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:03 PM

Honestly, I'll forgive Joss for the deaths if he brings back Greg Edmonson. The music was the real 11th character on the show. It was sorely missing from Serenity.

AUSSAY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:18 PM

Books death was sad, but although I think Joss wasn't counting on a new series to be made. Therefore the long telling of Book's past became something that would be impossible to do in movies.

So without that left to explore, Books chracter is simply a spiritual presence, and thats something that is not really required for movies as it is in a weekly series, and also Inara serves as a sort of spiritual person (in a way) so when looking to creat some drama by killing character (its Joss Whedon so you knew it had to happen) Book, in a movie sense no longer seemed as neccessary.

Now Wash was upsetting. A great funny character killed, but hey it certainly added drama, especially for the fans. It also opens up some doors for Zoe. She might start showing some more anger and emotion in future movies or series

KAELE

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:23 AM

Actually, knowing what a storyteller Joss is, I'm sure he'll find a more than plausible way to have the characters deal with the loss of Book and Wash.

We were already separated from Book, seeing as how he left the crew to be on Haven. There was a disconnect there that is embodied by his absence on the ship, he's no longer an 'active' part of the crew. So his death held a little less meaning to us than Wash. We all guess at his military backround, and implied with that is the risk of death that he knowingly took. The character knew it and we all knew it.

Wash, on the other hand, we all knew was vulnerable from War Stories. He couldn't take the punishment from Niska, was never really off the ship in dangerous situations, and had no interest in fighting. He was the light banter, the likable buddy and the goof. Unfortunately, the BEST character to die. To kill off someone so vulnerable makes us empathize with the crew, feeling that desperation.

Go through the rest of the crew:
Mal, Jayne and Zoe had histories of violence. River we all knew was some sort of killing machine, Simon and Kaylee are a possibility but they are the ONLY developed love story in the entire movie. Inara is Mal's love interest and unless Joss wanted to do the Capt. Kirk love interest on every planet, she wouldn't go. Wash was the logical choice as dictated by the path of the story.

The deaths of Book and Wash will also affect whatever comes next in a good way. We all love unpredictable Jayne, steadfast Mal, crazy River, cheery Kaylee, stiff Simon.

Zoe had very little depth to her character other than being Mal's first mate. She now has a trajedy we all witnessed: Zoe's Serenity Valley.

Mal now has a crisis of conscience in that he's finally found something to believe in despite Book not being there. Book will embody that alive or dead.

I'm not a big fan of Inara either. I don't see the point of her being there and could stand quite a bit more sexual tension than what's been shown. So far I consider her and Mal's relationship a bit too vanilla and wish it to be even more frustrating. There's depth there that hasn't been plumbed...

Just my few credits' worth.

Kaele
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

BINGKEWL

Monday, February 27, 2006 3:15 PM

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Originally posted by Seba:
Honestly, if he was going to kill someone, it should have been Inara.

agreed... she had few showings and wasn't an important person. It would have been cool to learn about Shepheards pasted and all.

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RIVER6213

Monday, February 27, 2006 3:49 PM

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Originally posted by Seba:
Honestly, if he was going to kill someone, it should have been Inara.

Okay, go sit in the corner and repeat out loud, "We do not kill off incredibly hot women" until you are give permission to rejoin the class. But first, could someone please hand me the paddle.

What if that "incredibly hot woman" was completely evil? You mean to tell me that if a woman is "hot" then that is the deciding factor if she is allowed to live or die? What if Inara was a fat, greasy looking cow...would it be easier for you to write her off you pebble-brained vermin?

River

They could expand your brains 10 fold, and it would STILL rattle around inside the azz of a mosquito.

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, February 27, 2006 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by Seba:
Honestly, while I do like Inara's character on the show in general, to be objective, she served little function outside of providing the crew with a shred of legitimacy. Honestly, I think Mal loves his ship more than Inara, so that makes her useless as a love interest, and as the "conscience" of the crew, Book would have worked just as well, making her little more than eye candy.

If that logic was to be followed than Wash was a logical choice for a character death as he only flew the ship and was comedy relief when he was onscreen.

I hated to see Wash die too, trust me those that went with me can tell you how crushed I was to see him die. We have to remember that this is Joss' 'Verse & they are his characters. If one of them dies there are going to be some upset fans. None of us wanted to see any of them die, but Joss thought it best for the story as a whole to have Wash & Book die.

If ever the series returned to television it could be done without Wash & Book. It may not have the same "magic" as it did in the first season, but knowing Joss he would come up with something to make the show just as special as it was in the beginning.

You've got to have faith. Joss killed off characters in his other shows & they went on. Shock and outrage over the death of a great character is expected, but like in real life those that survive have to pick up the pieces and move on. Just like the crew we will move on.

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ENGINEANGEL

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:23 PM

grrr!!! *hits her head up against the wall* :bump: lol, okay, i'm saying this yet again, wash is coming back, you got me? joss has said it in a roundabout way, at a recent con has hinted at it, and he also said it to a person registered on here as Tracy in person. I don't know about Book coming back, but i do know that Joss promised Ron that his secret would be told.

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Maybe Glass and Tudyk WANTED to leave

i don't think that this is true, i don't know about alan, (maybe he wanted to but i highly doubt it) but i do know for a fact that ron glass did not want to leave.

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Joss killed off Book because he just aint needed any more.

i don't think this was not the reason, or at least not the main one. Book was killed off because Joss needed to spur Mal into action. Book's last words were telling Mal to believe in something, anything. Mal wasn't going to go to Miranda before Book's death, wasn't going to believe in the cause, he didn't think that it was worth it, but that made him believe in it wholeheartedly. He has a total mind and mood change all because of Book's death.

Now, Wash can come back in a non-cheesy way. Hell, he could even not be dead! it is possible. if you look closely at the reaver spike that impaled him, it's not that big, and it goes through his stomach, not his chest. There are people who think that maybe the allience found him, saved him, and took him prisoner for info on serenity as they were still being chased. my fav thing is that wash will be a ghost that only river can see (if you've seen joss do things like this before you KNOW it wouldn't be cheesy) i definately would not want anything cheesy, as i'm sure no one else would either.

There are tons of responses coming from both sides and ideas on how to bring wash back if possible at this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372 check it out.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

But the dinosaurs are silent, the Hawaiian shirts are packed away, and Zoe sleeps alone. Requiescat in peace, old friend. You will be missed. Had my say, done my dance. The rest is dust and ashes.

Wash, you were the best Gorram pilot in the verse. Rest In Peace(and then come back!!!)

CERIL

Monday, February 27, 2006 7:59 PM

i think the deaths are ok, you can go back to a tv show w/ those charecters. just when the series is fininshed set it up by having book leave and form his lil colony and have Inara leave again. There was never any timeline established from the series to the movie was there?? I look at the 2 as seperate storeis anyhow. Kind of like star trek had movies and was a show on tv.

That's why I never kiss 'em on the mouth

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