I know everyone wants a new Firefly series, but...

POSTED BY: Seba
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 03:15
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DINKY

Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:27 PM

He could return to the series and act like the movie was never told and Wash and Book never died...

Nothing really all that wrong with telling a story all that quirky. Or maybe he'll just move the timeline around. OOOORRR maybe he will return like that.

Just as long is River is alive... I'll keep waiting for the next movie/series. :P

But I think the recovery from Book and Wash's deaths would be... Better than we think it would be. Joss seems pretty good at telling a story about characters or.... Emmm... I'm missing a word. He's good at telling the stories WITH the characters instead of... With the characters... Do you know what I mean? Maybe I mean without the characters.

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

HOEPERATIVE

Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:49 PM

I was deeply saddened by the deaths too. In particular, Book seemed to have far too much of a story still left untold. Perhaps we'll see that explored somehow anyway.

I don't think we could have had a movie without one of the main characters dying. That was the main problem with old Star Trek and the like- thousands of episodes of TV, and no-one (save bloody Tasha Yar and a few redshirts) ever died! Eventually you ran out of a sense of danger, of consequence for actions. They even resurrected Spock.

Also, bear in mind that we don't know the actors' intentions here. Maybe Glass and Tudyk WANTED to leave?

KHYRON

Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:37 PM

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Honestly, if he was going to kill someone, it should have been Inara.

I was thinking about that at one stage. Maybe not kill her off during the movie, but she would be a great character death at the end of season 3 or 4, if we ever get there. Maybe Mal's starting to mellow out a bit, and then she gets killed, in front of Mal, by one of his enemies. That would really piss him off for the next season or two (hence great drama).

SEBA

Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:38 PM

I'd like to repeat what I said earlier in that I'm not opposed to killing characters in general. The point I made is that he's rendered these character's meaningless to the series given that we've really only just been introduced to them in terms of content and now they're gone. It's the equivalent of him having killed them off 2 episodes after Objects In Space. It's just too soon. We've only just met and are already saying goodbye.

SEBA

Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:47 PM

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what was she supposed to do? hide on the ship while the Reavers came? Great idea. Of course she had to be there.

Unless she'd been killed by the Operative beforehand.

Honestly, while I do like Inara's character on the show in general, to be objective, she served little function outside of providing the crew with a shred of legitimacy. Honestly, I think Mal loves his ship more than Inara, so that makes her useless as a love interest, and as the "conscience" of the crew, Book would have worked just as well, making her little more than eye candy.

SEBA

Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:01 AM

Oh well, I guess I should be thankful for small favors -- at least he hasn't killed kaylee yet.

DOG13000

Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:34 AM

I aint reading through this hole thing, so I'll take a guess nobodies mentioned this yet. (When I searched for "drama" nothing came up)

Joss killed off Book because he just aint needed any more.

He killed Wash for dramatic effect. Might not have been the BEST way to do it, but he did it. Joss wanted to put a scare in our hearts, and take out that sense of "Movie ending! Yay! The crew will kick their asses and live to see another mighty adventure!" He wanted it seem that big, big enough that anyone could die at any time. This was the most important thing in the 'verse, well, ever.

Joss writes real. He writes what would be the probable thing to happen in a situation, not the fake one that everyone wants to see. As he puts it, "Where else are you going to see someone shoot a horse?" If Joss feels it necessary to kill off another protagonist, so be it.

If you REALLY had to see them in the show, Well, for Wash, he could be in Zoe's dreams at night or something like that.

As far as Shepard Book goes, his story could still be un-covered as they travel amidst the 'verse with a sort of flashback sense to it.

I think this could be done with kind of a detective show feel to it (I am thinking of Monk in particular). So, Person A is talking about how they new Book in the past, and whilst doing so, you see the Shepard doing what Person A is saying. If this were the case, a different actor would probably be needed, because of Ron Glass' Age... (and because I think he’s retired now…not sure on that…)

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MURKYMERC

Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:02 AM

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Sorry, guess I'm just too fixated on interesting characters instead of breasts.
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You classify the most perfect woman ever created as just breasts. In my private 'Verse that would be grounds for arrest.

FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:11 AM

Seba, I see it this way. When I watch Firefly/Serenity I have the feeling that it's real. I've heard other fans say the same thing. Most real feeling show I've ever watched. It has an authentic reality to it.

In real life when folks are in dangerous situations, there are tragedies. It is how life is. That IS reality.

I believe that Joss chose to carry forward with the real feeling we all love about Firefly. If there are consequences in real life, there are consequences in the 'verse.

I found it devastating and masterful. I'll never forget my experience seeing Serenity. It's marked on the line of my life like real life events have marked me.

I love Joss for that. I love our actors for giving me that experience. I'm grateful for it.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

NOSADSEVEN

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:36 AM

Joss created characters that are so real, their absence will have as much of an impact on the crew as their presence. Wash, especially, has left a big gaping hole in the crew - and I personally look foward to seeing how they cope, how their relationships change, and what the losses mean for them in the long run. When we get more I guarantee it is not going to be Firefly minus two. (Joss has said as much, anyway.) It is changed not just for us, but for them, and frankly, that only provides us more insight into the characters.

Also try to remember, Joss didn't cancel Firefly in order to make Serenity. When FOX pulled the plug, all of the characters were killed after we only just met them. At the time, there was no future. Joss killed himself to get more of this story - more of these characters - out. He has said that the deaths were not his original plan for the TV show, and weren't due to actors wanting out. They were demanded by the movie itself (Joss discusses some of this evolution in the Visual Companion), and his commitment to the integrity of the movie's story is exactly why his work is so powerful. Don't be mad at him for trying to bring the best movie to us he could, instead of holding back with the hopes that he might be able to carry on where Firefly so abruptly left off. That is a fantasy. He recognized it, and moved us and the crew foward.

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