umm..battlestar?

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REXJAYNE

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:05 PM

Well obviously it isn't Firefly, but I have to say I've never seen anything like it. It is just amazing. Though I must disagree about the second season, it's getting a little scarier and more intense, but I certainly don't think they're running out of stories. Every episode I end up gasping. They always surprise me, nothing is predictable. The characters grow, actions have consquences, and you're never really sure who the bad guys are. It just keeps you guessing.

The acting is amazing, the writing is great and the whole thing just seems so real. There's nothing on TV to compare to it. The Adamas, Sharon, Starbuck.. We're just totally addicted. We just bought the first season and started watching it over again now that we're halfway through the second season.

Sorry to gush, I've just been rather hollow since Firefly went down and it's been years since I've actually really liked anything being shown on TV.
Thank the gods for the Space channel.

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Let's not be excludin' people, that'd be rude.

GARBAGECANMUSIC

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:07 PM

The crash zooms and unfocused CGI were NOT a part of The Attack of the Clones nor was it an influence.

And I am a Star Wars fan, so I'm not bashing blindly.

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

STORYMARK

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 PM

Don't recall reading that anywhere. I can see it being a case of both of them coming up with simmilar ideas at the same time, though. Maybe it was just a matter of the technology reaching a point where it was possible. If Lucas hadn't done it first, Joss would have. If not Joss, someone else...

But chronologically, there's no way Lucas could have really "stolen" the idea - unless maybe Joss called him up just to tell him about it. AOTC was out 5 months before FF premeired, and the lead-time on a feature film is much, much longer than TV (in most cases). Even though I've read that those particular shots/techniques were relatively late additions to AOTC, they still would have to have been put in a good 2-3 months before the May release.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NUCLEARDAY

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by jpstargazer:
Someone jump in and clarify, but I think I heard (or read) something about Joss saying upon seeing Episode II, that they stole his idea, because he was doing the same thing with Firefly. It sounds like it's one of those things where two groups come up with a similar idea independent of eachother, and one comes out first. Does anyone remember where I might have gotten that? I can't remember, I've listened to so many commentaries and read so many interviews.

"All I got is a red guitar, three chords, and the truth...the rest is up to you"
--Bono

I believe that in the "Train Job" commentary Joss and Tim are talking about that. How they thought they were doing this really neat and new technique with the CGI, and they saw Attack of the Clones, and there were a few scenes there that used it too. (Think it's during the scene at Niska's place IIRC.)

Quite frankly, it feels a bit more natural with Firefly. With that show it's more about fitting the CGI elements in with the rest of the camera style. In Star Wars they likely threw that in just 'cause they thought it looked neat.

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STORYMARK

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by garbagecanmusic:
The crash zooms and unfocused CGI were NOT a part of The Attack of the Clones nor was it an influence.

And I am a Star Wars fan, so I'm not bashing blindly.

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

Go watch AOTC again, at least the Geonosian battle at the end. The crash zoom/unfocused shots were not all over the scene or anything, but they were there. One that springs to mind is a shot looking past some clones on the ground, which crash-zooms to Padme in a troop transport in the distance (Anakin and Obi-Wan are in the ship, but Padme is the focus).

There were even articles written up in some FX and video journals, becuase those zooms were done in post, and were brought up as a strength of the (then-new) HD cameras they were useing, since with film, you can only zoom about 15% in post without noticable quality loss, but with HD you can get about a 30-50% zoom without much loss (for clarity, the shots was mostly CG, with Padme having been shot in live action).

And just to be a nit-picking bastard

, there's no "The" before "Attack of the Clones".

Sorry, I'm not just a fan, but a raving Star Wars nut.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:31 PM

I'll speak my bit without reading what anyone else has said.

Firefly and Battlestar Galatica have a lot in common, and a lot that isn't in common.

What they have in common are that they are shows set in space with Firefly camera work centering around people in futures with no aliens.

Centering around people is probably the big thing.

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What they don't have in common is that the people in Galactica are fugitives who were once in charge and are now actively being hunted down, the people on firefly are just plain fugitives.

Galactica has no aliens, like Firefly, but it does have cylons, and they are a driving force in the plot.

Firefly is a western, a land of opportunity and death, Galactica is just a land of death, there is not much room for humor. The Joss line that went something like, "Make it dark, make it edgy, make it something, but then for the love of god tell a joke," is not heeded.

Galactica is also a land of politics.

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The end result is that if what you like about Firefly is realistic human being who have real problems of various natures and live in a non-antiseptic space that looks like it could really exist as shown via Firefly style camera work and effects Galactia will work for you.

If what you liked was the humor, the non-gigantic non-epic story, the fact that they were not active in changing society and certainly not in positions of power, or any of that sort of stuff steer clear.

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The reason that the camera work looks the same, as someone has probably already said, is that the people doing Galatica said they wanted it to be like Firefly, the reason the effects work looks the same is that they are done by the same company.

IRONSPY

Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:24 AM

You know, I never noticed that in Attack of the Clones. Probably I was too busy cringing to pick up on the nuances.

But still, there's a big difference between camera effects added in post-production just for the hell of it and camera effects added for the sake of internal consistency and immersion.

If anyone was really immersed in Attack of the Clones for any reason, then I don't know how you could have liked Firefly, because you are made out of plastic.

STORYMARK

Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by Ironspy:
You know, I never noticed that in Attack of the Clones. Probably I was too busy cringing to pick up on the nuances.

But still, there's a big difference between camera effects added in post-production just for the hell of it and camera effects added for the sake of internal consistency and immersion.

If anyone was really immersed in Attack of the Clones for any reason, then I don't know how you could have liked Firefly, because you are made out of plastic.

Ouch.

But, sorry. Last I checked, I was still all fleshy. Just happen to like a lot of different types of scifi.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STARSONG

Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:02 AM

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You know, I never noticed that in Attack of the Clones. Probably I was too busy cringing to pick up on the nuances.

funny. :D

As to BSG... it's very very done for what it is -- I do like it, most especially because it shares one very important quality with Firefly -- the characters are human. The society is recognizably human, not some utopian hodge podge where every human failing or political point is given its own special race.

That said... I'm kinda tired of shows focusing on all manner of official heroes. Call it Starfleet, call it EarthForce, call it the Colonial Marines (take your pick which set ;) ), heck, call it the Alliance... it's gotten old.

One of the best things about Firefly/Serenity is that they're just regular folks, and don't have the near-infinite resources of a great big ol' military behind 'em. Makes the stories more personable, more human. I like it.

ASEDATEDMOOSE

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:24 AM

I saw a couple of episodes of BSG on NBC sometime last year (I think). I enjoyed them enough that when I saw that the first season was on DVD I giggled like the little schoolgirl I'm not and very excitedly paid the forty bucks from my rapidly decreasing funds. It's one of the best shows I have ever seen, alongside Firefly, but for different reasons.

The main thing that the two shows have in common is that they feel realistic and even plausible. But after that and the spaceships, they're completely different. BSG is even darker than Firefly and without much humor to speak of. But one of my favorite things is that you see the echos of anything that happens, and there's a sense of urgency through the whole thing.

You should check it out.

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