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POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Thursday, February 23, 2006 20:38
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CITIZEN

Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:02 PM

The British cards,especially if made compulsory, is very different from drivers licences.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear

CARTOON

Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Do they imagine terrorists saying "Gee Akmad, we gotta have a hunting license and a utility bill to get our id's. Might as well pack it up and go home..."

Hi, Sarge. I live in PA, and I didn't need a hunting license or utility bill to get my license.

(Heck, I think most people in PA don't even have to know how to drive to get a license -- at least that's what I'd gather from what I see on the road every single day.)

I have a CDL with both P and S endorsements. And to maintain an S (schoolbus) endorsement, they make us jump through hoops backwards every four years -- including classes, training, examinations, etc -- which, incidentally, for the amount of pay we get (if you can call it that), it's nothing short of amazing that anyone would drive a schoolbus in this state.

Anyhow, I just had mine renewed last month again, and I only needed to provide my Social Security card and a photo ID. That's all.

FLETCH2

Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:19 PM

I have quite a collection from my world travels, like I said most places in Europe have them. My comment about driver's licences was directed at DT (who I quoted.)

Here in the US you end up showing the damned thing all the time, I know because I the one I have has the worst picture you can imagine. When I got it I thought nobody would ever see it because nobody ever saw my UK licence. However in the US you use it when you use a credit card, write a cheque, board a plane, buy anything more than a few 100 dollars, oh and I suppose if you ever get pulled over.

So the question remains how is this NOT an ID card? That's what it's used for, far more often than it's used for anything connected to driving.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:29 PM

Hero,

I knew someone would stumble into this pitfall of "moron post needed here." No offense. Did you watch the show, firefly, at all? Maybe you should pick up a copy. The ID is a tool for the govt. to track and oppose you- 'Hero,'

At the moment, you're 'Hero' I don't even know who you are, but if we go down this road, ultimately I'll be able to check the record on who you slept with and why you had your fight with your boss, your medical records and how you voted.

The point is this: The position that us libertarian leaning folk are standing for is you. Joss is on this side, it's the pro-you side. It's pro-Hero.

Hero, by contrast, has taken the anti-Hero side. It makes me wonder if you named yourself after a certain communist propaganda film which I saw a while back. You do know that that was a communist propaganda film right? That it was paid for by the Chinese Communist ministry of propaganda. This ain't no conspiracy theory. Zhang Yimou was given the option of making the film or ending his career in a sort of counter-mccarthyism. (Blacklisting everyone who *wasn't* a communist. Zhang Yimou himself is not a communist, and thus was forced to make a communist propaganda film to prove his loyalty. Fortunately for his, the commies paid for it, and it made money. It was a good film too, propaganda aside.)

MRSKBORG

Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:33 PM

The whole ID card thingy in the Uk, I may emigrate as well, especially since the nice little Scottish Parliament very quielty did a U-Turn and decided to go along with Westminster on this one. Iris Scans, fingerprints. And they also were talking about everyones medical records being encoded into them - long term that is. What, they gonna start microchipin us next? On the bright side, the government ususally stuff these things up so badly it'll prolly never happen...........look at the wonderfull computer system for the CSA, spent millions on the gorram thing and it still don't work properly.

"This movie may be a beautiful butterfly, but I loved that damn caterpillar." Joss Whedon.

SERGEANTX

Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:38 PM

Wow... didn't realize this had been moved. Glad to see all the comments.

As I mentioned, I've been jumping through all the hoops necessary to get legal in the state of Pennsylvania. The requirements have been 'beefed up' in response to the 9/11 hysteria. But what is overwhelmingly obvious is that none of the additional requirements would have any bearing on someone with ill intent. It's all easily fakeable (birth certificates, utility bills, lease agreements, etc, etc.), but for honest folks its a pain in the butt to go looking for all that junk. My name is not on the lease where I'm staying and the utility bills are in my roommate's name. I don't even know where to go looking for my birth certificate. I'm tempted to just fake them all, it might end up being easier than doing it legit. Wouldn't that be novel, providing fake information to get an otherwise legitimate ID?

Anyway, it's given me pause to question the whole system, something I'm wont to do. What value does all this bureaucracy provide? All It really seems to do is make it easier to keep track of honest people. Criminals will do their thing regardless. They might even find an easier time of it, because once they get their fake ID, people will tend to accept them with less skepticism since they have 'credentials'.

The thing is, people don't want to have to make judjements on their own. They want an authority to assure them everything will be ok. Ok, if you want to have all these assurances and you think IDs will achieve that, have at it. Just restrain your government goons from arresting me when I refuse to play along. You don't wanna give me a loan, or a job, or trade with me, unless I have an ID? Fine, but kindly mind your own business if and when I find those who will. The point, as usual, is that those of us without the desire to be herded like cattle would appreciate it if you kept your plans optional, fair enough?

The problem is, as with most of the social schemes 'right thinking' people cook up, they can't seem to resist the urge to force everyone else to play along. It's the usual statist political mind set. People who think they know what's best for everyone else, forcing it down our throats.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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