Serenity strikes a blow for conservatism!

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GAMMARAYGIRL

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:27 PM

Libertarianism is all about the free will.

If anything, Firefly is libertarian.

SAZMAN

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:20 PM

"For me, The Alliance just got elected for a second term" - Joss Whedon, after the 2004 election

I think that clarifies things.

Start with the part where Jayne gets knocked out by a 90 pound girl. 'Cause I don't think that's ever getting old.

ISAACSHEPHERD

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:46 PM

In my opinion I don't think FF or Serenity leans either way, it's about being human, not political. I think living the way you see fit is a natural way people want to live. I am tired of talks of politics, considering it seeps into movies so much. Can't we all just get along and be entertained? I don't think FF/Serenity show liberal or conservative values. I don't think Joss intended to make a political stance with his series like Hollywood or other film studios do.
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AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by sazman:
"For me, The Alliance just got elected for a second term" - Joss Whedon, after the 2004 election

I think that clarifies things.

Start with the part where Jayne gets knocked out by a 90 pound girl. 'Cause I don't think that's ever getting old.

Yeah, and all those fans who voted for the other guy, are we suppose to blindly accept what our leader Joss says? I'll look to him for my entertainment , and elsewhere for my politics.

STARSONG

Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:45 AM

Quote:

Quote:
"For me, The Alliance just got elected for a second term" - Joss Whedon, after the 2004 election

I think that clarifies things.

Not really. "The author and I voted for the same guy" doesn't necessarily translate to "The Good Guys think like MyTeam does and the Bad Guys think like The OtherTeam does."

Both "teams" have some darn opressive things in their platforms.. the thing is that it's human nature to notice oppression that affects oneself most directly first and foremost.

The collectivist "make everybody nice" beaureucratic nightmare part of the Alliance more closely resembles the American left (with strong ties back to the Communist ideal of the "New Man" I might add). The "eyes over every shoulder and a soldier on every country (planet)" part of the Alliance more closely resembles the post-9/11 Republicans (which themselves don't resemble traditional conservatives on either point.. though the argument could certainly be made that the Blue Sun/UAP mess, whatever it would have turned out to be, could be relevant critiques to ever pre-9/11 Republicans, though not true free-marketers).

Anyhow, my point is no matter your your political affiliation, you're sure to see a lot you don't like in the Alliance... it's the worst of both worlds.

Anyhow, as already noted, the characters we love are quite different. Were they all yanked back to 2007 USA and shoved kicking and screaming into te voting booth, Mal would likely pull the lever for the Libertarian (being one for high ideals and lost causes) or *possibly* Republican if he trusted his local reps enough, Inara and Simon both strike me as folks who'd vote Democrat or possibly Libertarian (Simon perhaps much more likely to do the latter after the whole River thing, but that's hard to say), Jayne would vote for whoever the NRA told him to, and River would just make funny crayon drawings on the ballot while nonchalantly spilling off every skeleton in every Washington-dwellers closet. In iambic pentamter.

Ya know, the more I think on it, the more I like the crayon thing.

LOOKATTHATBIRD

Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:41 AM

"To assign any political ideology to Lord of the Rings is ridiculous. It was written so long ago that it doesn't even apply to our modern values/political parties."

LOTR was written in the 1950's. It seems to me that a book written 50ish years ago, if it had any political bias in the first place, would be perfectally aplicable to our times.

But since there is no real system of government in Middle Earth, aside from kingdoms and such, it's still deffinatly not conservative. I imagine whoever wrote that article was projecting their own fantasies into the film. Perhaps they see Liberals as an evil in our times, and since Sauron is a very general, timeless evil they saw his reign as a depiction of liberalism? Maybe?

KWICKO

Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:10 AM

Edited. Others summed it up so much better than I could...

BISHOP76

Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:30 AM

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Originally posted by Lookatthatbird:

LOTR was written in the 1950's. It seems to me that a book written 50ish years ago, if it had any political bias in the first place, would be perfectally aplicable to our times.

I still have to disagree with you on this - the 50s were the era of McCarthyism, segregation was still in full swing, and to sum it up, the most liberal thinking back then would be seen as a conservative view in this day and age.

To change gears completely, I think that sometimes people try to look *WAY* too deeply into films for meanings and symbolism that just isn't there...

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:50 PM

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I still have to disagree with you on this - the 50s were the era of McCarthyism, segregation was still in full swing, and to sum it up, the most liberal thinking back then would be seen as a conservative view in this day and age.

To change gears completely, I think that sometimes people try to look *WAY* too deeply into films for meanings and symbolism that just isn't there...

Every time period comes w/ its baggage and drawbacks. Slavery still exists in Africa, and across the far Mid -> Far East. Likely we'll always have various forms of evil in our society...even on a grand, wide spread scale. And yet, things do manage to change, over time.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

JONUS

Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:52 PM

I have no problem with left-wingers and right-wingers. I do have a problem with extreme left-wingers and right-wingers. For example:

Bush = Extreme right-winger (redneck idiot)

Kerry = Extreme left-winger (rich wuss)

Whether I'm left-wing or right-wing depends on the issue.

Attack me, not my opinion.

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