Getting Book Published
POSTED BY: queenofthenorth
UPDATED: Friday, March 17, 2006 04:43
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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
By the way, I've read the Silmarillion and agree with you about it being a painfully unreadable book.
Yes, I agree too that the Silmarillion is difficult to get through, but keep in mind that this book Tolkien never wanted to publish...never had plans to. They were his notes about his world. Those careful notes that he kept about bloodlines, laws of society, lineage, lands, etc. After Tolkien died, his son decided to publish these notes in book form. There are many people that don't quite understand the Silmarillion, and therefore don't enjoy it because they go into it thinking it's a novel; it is not. But once you understand what it is your are reading, then the world of Middle Earth begins to make more sense and you begin to form an even better picture of this realm in your imagination. It gives you a window to look through into the mind of Tolkien.
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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Queeny:
You're off the hook. Ahh if only you had heeded my warning that I was a merciless prick. Or if only you had a skin thick enough to withstand my withering opinions. You should maybe go read some Nietsche and become artistically twisted and brooding like me. Or not.
Such a pity.
Psolaris:
When I was a kid, I spent my summers overseas. I was isolated and had to find things to occupy my mind. When I wasn't climbing of rooftops and fountains and playing soccer (or "football" if you're a toothless englishmen who enjoys rioting when your team loses). I soccer'd my ass off in the streets with the dirty european kids from lots of different cities. When they began to bore me (and they always did), I went in search of literature. I I crept around those their streets like a ninja searching the kiosks for reading material in my native language (pig latin). All I found were Conan comics. Beautifully drawn picture-books of a monstrous muscular dude with a sword who hacked apart anything and everything that moved. Spend enough time with Europeans and you'll start having homicidal fantasies like you find in those comics.
I crept around the city-streets of Europe buying English-language Conan comics from kiosks. I was like a ninja in seach of literature I could read (king's english). It's not easy being a ninja. It's even harder being a master of the nunchuks who was orphaned into slavery and had to fight and endless stream of karate-warriors to the death in the gladiatorial slave-pits of the tibettan underground (tibet is well-known for it's underground gladiator pitfighting ~ a story I'll save for some later date).
Eventually I returned back to the uncivilized world and my love-affair with REH's literary works (his actual novels, not the comics) began. I read all I could find and I could never get enough. And then...
The movie. Best movie I've ever seen...
You've never read REH Psolaris. I just know it. Or if you did the magic of it was lost on you. You should go back and reread it since it was ALL written before Tolkien ever became the cult hero of literature he is today. He would have been forgotten completely if it hadn't been for Led Zeppelin and Gary Gygax.
I reprint a link with his public domain works if you are feeling gutsy...
(you have rolled the sacred dice back in ye days of olde, so I know you are)
(or you better be)
http://www.magister.msk.ru/library/babilon/english/howard/howard.htm
Start with the Conan books if you dare. This link is nothing but Conan unfortunately. They were his best works anyhow. Great literature. It inspired great comics, and then the movies... well... movies need sum 'splainin...
I suggest watching the 1st movie with the austrian meathead. Ignore any pseudo-REH fans who hate it. They have no clue what they are talking about. But feel free to hate the 2nd movie with a ferocity a thousand times more terrible than the sun exploding. John Milius got blacklisted from hollywood before he could ever make the sequels. He gave us the greatest work of cinematic and operatic art ever and then was forced to be nothing. Consequently, the REH storylines became Sorbo-esque fodder for the whores and hacks that jealously despise true talents like Milius. Great men are always driven underground and persecuted in their time. Milius was one of them. And yes I know he's a right-wing kook and gun nut. So fuckin what? He's got art in his soul.
John Milius's "Conan the Barbarian" was the greatest and most powerful opera in the whole of human history. Yes it was an opera. It was brilliantly filmed and Basil Poledouris' music was greater than any Wagner-ian symphony ever written.
It was opera. In general I hate "opera". Fat viking chicks and dudes in leotards screeching for a bunch of wealthy fuckin mummies who are "cultured". I hate those types of people and their sort of "opera". Milius's conan was my first and last taste of opera. But in this case I could never love anything crafted by the hands of men or gods from now till the end of time more than I loved t
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btw... I think it's time we take our debate to private channels.
Queeny has dogged me and thinks I'm just an ass who is out to shred her to pieces.
If you have anything to say to me Psolaris then PM me. The invitation is extended.
XG
and if I'm wrong then she better fall to her knees and apologize for her many assaults against me. I'm the tyrant who wanted to terrorize her into being nothing. Oh such a monster am I.
I'm free! I'm free! I can be done with this thread... why? Because I'm free!!
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On a more positive note, I just ordered your book, Queen. I ordered before but had to cancel. $$ is a little tight right now. I am upgrading my laptop. But this time, I will not cancel.
Can't wait to read it from your excert it sounds interesting. I am paying $3.99 for shipping on amazon. Isn't that kind of expensive for 1 book? Anywhoo, I will probably receive it in the next couple of days. Hope things are going well and don't be discouraged.
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Wow, looks like I've missed a few posts here.
Psolaris: Yeah, no one told me it wasn't meant to be read as a novel. That might have helped. I still think he's a great writer though.
XG: Wow, I didn't even think I was attacking you and you're already washing out on me? That's really quite disappointing. Oh well. As you said, you're free to leave at any time.
Harshcritic: Thanks for buying my book! I really appreciate the support. I hope you enjoy it, though it's obviously no masterpiece.
"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."
"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."
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Well, congratulations, Queen! My money is a little (okay, "very") tight right now, so I won't be partaking of it at current, but it's always good to see someone complete a creative work.
Hopefully, you'll get some useful criticism from those here reading your book, that will help you grow as a writer. You're obviously not ready to have your book put alongside those of the authors that are being discussed here -- by Psolaris and REH's Mom -- but you have to start somewhere...
It's good to see that you're taking the attention whore's comments in stride. It can be hard not to take stuff personally, even when it's as comically written as XG's doing it. ("READ REH! REH ROOLZ! TOLKIEN SUX! YOU SUCK!") Very informative...
/sigh... "I cannot abide useless people."
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Queeny:
I'm washing out on you? You're the one who went on a fishing expedition for the allmighty pity party. You got truth from me and you didn't like it. You lashed out (even though I warned you that you would'nt like what I had to say), and then you attempt to belittle me with your psycho-babbling nonsense about why I say what I say.
You got what you asked for, you didn't like it, and when you couldn't stand the heat you shrieked and howled at the fireplace blaming it for all your ills. I've gone to great lengths to try and make you a better writer (cuz frankly, you just suck as it is for now).
You want to write, then go back and read, re-read, and re-read as many times as it takes. You need to writ shit that is interesting. Period.
What you are writing now is hogwash.. if I were clutching my mana power-crystals and hugging trees, and worshipping new-age goddesses your writing would be interesting to me. But I ain't. so It isn't.
You're the 100-millionth gutless wonder of the world. You should crack open a few history books before you ever dare invent fantasy worlds. How can you ever make interesting history if you are blessedly ignorant of the history of the world you live in? And you are. I can see that much.
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Hey Whammy:
I would love to read that post... you went ignored till now but please post a link.
I'm curious to see what manner of lunatic babbling minds like yours and your ilk are posting here. Please... enlighten me.
I take great pleasure in seeing madmen howl and I'm not about to dig through these forums looking for that thread.
XG
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XG, I don't know how many times I have to explain to you that I'm not lashing out. You haven't seen me begin to get angry yet. I knew you were going to say exactly what you said. You haven't said anything that I didn't already think of. So, in short, I was fine with what you said and I didn't/haven't "lashed out" at you. If I was mad or lashing out at you, it would involve a lot more swear words and insults, believe me.
You keep trying to speak for me like you know exactly what I'm thinking/feeling. 'Fraid you quite simply don't.
Would it help if I said that I accepted what you said in bold, capitalized sentences? Would you believe me then? Or would it require a few paragraphs of me swearing and insulting you incoherently? Ahh, whatever. I'm obviously wasting my time. You're just going to skim through this post and come back with another long-winded, "you didn't like what I said" post, so you can continue to feel like you're some kind of bad-ass truth giver.
"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."
"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."
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Hey Queen, just wanted to let ya know that the book came in and picked it up today. So will start reading it and give ya my opinion when I get back from my trip.
XG, Like I said when I say I do something, you can expect I damn well will do it. Not to mention it was kinda sad to write me off a week after asking me to support Queen here. Give me a couple weeks at least next time before trying to rip in okay. anyways my 2 cents on that.
Everyone else hang in there, have a wonderful week and will try and pop back in when I get a chance. mochiron minna san wa kaze o hika nai de kudasai. mata, Ookami yori
Surren boys and girls try dancen when your opponent is trying to spill your blood w/ two blades and you got only one!!!
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