Getting Book Published
POSTED BY: queenofthenorth
UPDATED: Friday, March 17, 2006 04:43
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Queeny:
In ancient Greece, when marathon slaves (runners) brought bad news, they were slain. It was a religious rite. Greeks were a supersitious oracle-type people who always knew what the doomed slaves were going to say. Why didn't our 500 men manage to slay the 40,000 troops of this or that country?
Good news, you live. Bad news, you die. That's how lies start. If I ran 1/2-way across the country to tell them a war was lost, they'd be hearing me tell shitloads of lies as I schemed to escape the sword.
I'm not gonna argue with you. If you can't handle what I have to say about your writing, you are'nt meant to write.
Do you think any editor at a major publishing house is going to publish your manuscripts because you're a nice person?
They are cruel, ruthless pricks (like me)... it's a business. You've either got talent or you don't.
You might have potential but who knows? You can't handle criticism so you'll always sabotage yourself. Self-defeating horseshit (it's called "hubris").
I have tried to push you in a positive direction by being honest and you are too chicken-shit to hear it. Wait till you actually learn to write well enough to pique the interest of publishers. You'll be blacklisted with this kind of attitude.
But hey, I'm just an ass who gets his kicks out of insulting you and scheming up new psychological plots about how I can torment you.
I should have known you'd see through the facade of my diabolical plot.
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
and PS ~
good job Oooka-whatsyername
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Cool, Ooka, thanks. Hope you enjoy the book.
See, XG, I knew it. You just came back and said the exact same thing you've said about four times now. Let me put it here again: YOU DIDN'T UPSET/ANGER ME. I ACCEPTED YOUR WORDS. Let me also put why the things you've had to say recently can't be construed as helpful criticism designed to help me better myself.
You said my book sucks. Compared to what? Tolkien and REH? Well of course it would. They're masters of the genre with decades of experience. You compare my book to some romance novels, say, and I probably come out looking like the master. That's not remotely helpful to me, therefore.
You said you hate my book. Yeah, so? That's your opinion. You hate Tolkien's LOTR, which is widely regarded as one of the best masterpieces of all time. Not to mention every other person who's read my book so far liked it. So you can see how that's not helpful to me. Besides, some people are going to hate my book even if I am the best writer out there.
You said my characters were wooden and uninteresting. Compared to which characters? Why were they uninteresting? What can I do to make them interesting? Again, not helpful to me.
You said I should read REH's works. Okay, that might be helpful and a good piece of advice. But what do you want me to do? Become another REH carbon copy?
The things you had to say earlier were actual helpful criticism, like I needed more narrative and the pace of my book was too fast. This stuff was helpful, and I'm working on it in my new book. The stuff you've had to say lately, though, cannot be construed as helpful criticism, as I pointed out above. It just sounds like you mouthing off in a (futile) attempt to piss me off. But, again, I don't know why I'm bothering to be logical. If you do respond, you'll probably just repeat yourself again.
Edited to add: You mentioned editors. Do you honestly think editors are going to go, "I hate it. It sucks. There, you know what the problems are. Go fix it." Really don't think so. They're going to say stuff like you were saying before, that it needs more narrative, etc. Because that's actual criticism.
But yeah, you're just going to go, "Oh, you can't handle what I have to say" again. Really, I ask you, what would actually convince you that I have handled it? If I swore at and insulted you? If I raged/cried or said I was giving up writing because I'm not good enough? Really, tell me.
"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."
"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."
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Queeny:
Ahh yes. I've said the exact same thing a 4th time in a row. Because each time I point out what your doing, you do it again. And you pretend you aren't doing it.
They say ignorance is bliss. What does one call fabricated ignorance? I call it lying.
When I point it out, you deny it. Then you do it all over again. Rinse and repeat.
PS to the above:
yes you're lie'ng your ass off. (I've never been quite able to figure out how to properly spell the many variations of LIE (i.e. ~ deception)...
Conjugal wordsmanship ain't my strongpoint, and the favored word for everyday deception has too many forms)
You weren't hurt? You weren't angry? Ya ya sure sure.
I said your books sucks. You ask compared to what? ...good literature.
I called your writing mechanical and dull... (I'll explain it through generalities)
Your writing:
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Chick-with-sword has blonde hair, a round face and blue eyes. She is beautiful and all the boys in her village are attracted to her. She dresses in blue cloaks and red tunics.
That's how you write more or less. If you gave a shit about what you wrote, you'd describe Chick-with-sword like this...
If-you-gave-a-shit:
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She was a mortal beauty not of this earth. Her face was sculpted by the gods into gently curving slopes, an oval with two seductively piercing eyes that burned and dazzled like diamonds in the moonlight. She had wet, glistening red lips like rubies, turquoise-blue eyes that sparkled like diamonds, and was clad in a a sky-blue cloak. Her silky-blonde hair flowed in billowing puffs of foam. Wherever she went, her silken crimson-dyed skirt clung tightly to the curves of her body driving men wild. None could look upon her without feeling they'd been struck with a fork of lightning sent by the gods of Valhalla. etc. etc. etc.
Ok that's tacky but it's for the sake of example (and spur of the moment). If I had mentioned "quivering love-purse" or "pulsating man-root", it would be a Harlequin romance novel with a cover that is a Frazetta rip-off, starring Fabio ("I can't believe it's not butter!") and a Misses "nearly naked bimbo-of-the-month."
...bottom line... you need a little metaphor in your life. May I suggest you seal yourself in a vault like some hermit and read poetry for the next 2 years?
XG
Fabio's nose is a lethal weapon. It slays "amusement park" gulls by the dozen.
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Well, as I can see, you ignored the most pertinent parts of my post again and repeated yourself again. I forgot that, having the access to my brain that you do, you automatically know what I'm thinking and feeling. Silly me, of course you do. I keep asking what it would take to convince you that I have accepted what you said, but you keep ignoring it and speaking for me, stating your opinion as fact.
In short, I've grown bored of going around in circles with you. So I'm out of this thread and this discussion with you. If you want to have a discussion about something else in another thread, I'm fine with that. But I'm done with this one. You can continue chasing your tail in circles if you like. I'm leaving. If anyone besides XG has anything to say to me, I'll come back and talk to them.
And I know you're only going to go, "oh, this means I was right all along, blah blah blah" but whatever. I really don't care. I could do both sides of this discussion myself now, you've become so predictable. And I'm even going to restrain myself from posting all the flaws in your last argument. Monumental feat, that. So, in conclusion, I'm out.
"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."
"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."
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Okie dokie pokey. You're out of this thread.
Fair enough. I didn't want to be here in the first place yet here I am.
You're bored and I'm agonized. I be honest with you and you attack attack attack. That's why you're an amateur, it's why you'll always be an amateur. Kill the messenger.
And yes, I will come back and read your next psycho-analysis of me... I'm chasing my "tail."
Go back to the thread where everyone loves you and says nothing but nice thing (yet never buys your book). That's where you belong.
XG
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Queeny:
I'm never one to just bow out. Not like this anyhow.
How is life in the land of happy reviews? I took a scalpel to your book and foresaw what would come next. You lacked talent as a writer and if I said anything else to that effect I would have to listen to you attack me ad nauseum. I tried to duck out but you came looking for me, and when you got what you sought you decided to (1) run away, and (2) attack your critic. Ahh artists always have to blame the critics. Just like ancient Greeks have to kill the messenger.
I'm an asshole who hates women, I'm rascist, I'm bigoted... (don't say so but imply it)... It's rascism, man-ism, macho-ism, elitism... I'm guilty of a whole slieu of -ism's. I'm just a masogynistic dawg who gets pleasure from ripping your work apart in the greater glory of trying to drive you from the world of art.
You've said it over and over, and alas you were just too correct. (allow me to itemize your pyscho-analysis of me):
I'm angry at the world.
I'm... uhh... I enjoy stirring up trouble with other people (for the sake of arguing)
Uhh.. what else? There's all kinds of accusations tied up in everything you've said about me.
I'm just looking for trouble, point blank. You figured me out, smart as you are.
And Haken isa apparently on your side; he deletes my posts and gladly buries threads when they become cumbersome "troll" fodder. Well.. not alwys delete so much as just manipulate where they appear. I'm such a troll. He should come forward and defend my accusations if he's actually monitoring this thread but why bother?
Psolaris has done what I always knew what she would do. She drew me out to argue with you and now she's ran away. Or has she? I think I kicked her "sacred cow'", Tolkien, in the nuts and challenged her frozen brain to think. How dare I?!?!!
Tolkien is truly original, and an indisputable champion of norse mythology. Oh yeah, you bet your ass he is! Never mind that REH took Norse mythos out of the dark-ages and wrote his works around it (from 1932 to 1936 when he killed himself, a full year before "The Hobbit" got published by the Oxford professor).
Tolkien was first. REH was nothing. At best, it was a coincidence that Tokien's take of Nordic mythos "resembled" REH; although REH's heroes were alot darker than Tolkien's barrel-chested, hairy-footed, home-body hobbits). Tolkien-istas always are know-it-alls (like Psolaris). Challenge them and they ignore you. Their intellects are beyond questioning. After all, Peter Jackson made a trillion-dollar set of films around those books, hollywood loves him, and hollywood knows best.
Howard tamed the darkness of norse mythos and made it acceptable to domesticated readers of "great literature". And he was truly "original", even though his work was fraught with a touch of the ancient world (slavery, murder, rapine, all the taboo things that come from the past). He gave us the embodiment of Rousseau's "noble savage" (sword-in-hand).
Tolkien took that genre and made it acceptable to "civilized" peoples. He was original. Except for when he wrote the (beginning) of "The Hobbit" ~ where we all got a true taste of his writing style, and then later had to digest his "trilogy," a sequel to his copycat works of "The Hobbit".
...and PS to Psolaris: "Silmarillion" was written because Tolkien's scratchy maps didn't make the boring references of his work understandable... it was written because nobody could understand his writing. He always referenced faraway lands and kingdoms that he never bothered explaining in his books. He had to elaborate later. But hey, you're an authority on the subject so you know best. You debate me on Tokien versus REH when I've read both and you have apparently only read Tolkien. You would see for yourself if you'd bother to read REH.
Where was I? Ahh Tolkien and his works...
We got a double-dose of his writing style in and it was definately not REH-copycat crap like "The Hobbit" was... (OH DEFINATELY NOT! ABSOLUTELY NOT! OH SHIT I'M USING "CAPs" AGAIN, PLEASE PSOLARIS DON'T FOR
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You're becoming so predictable it's boring.
You PM'd me telling me that I ran, and I PM'd you right back with what was going on in my life. I have already told you that Queeny and I have been emailing each other personally with the creative criticism (perhaps you should look that term up in the dictionary) that she asked for. I did exactly what I promised to do. I told her what worked, and what didn't work, and what I liked and didn't like. And I am giving her the respect she deserves for following her dream. She wants to be a writer, and what better way than to get something out there and ask for feedback, take in the feedback, and try again. You continue to say the same thing over, and over, and over about how much you didn't like her book and she's said to you every time that she has no problem with that, and that she's asking for creative and constructive criticsm to help her improve her skills. She's handled criticism very well actually, she's just tired of people that have a one track mind and can't say much else.
In case you didn't read the PM I sent you, lemme reiterate. You once told me that I shouldn't give up on my dream when I told you I had worked for a small film company here in my hometown. And in reply I told you I hadn't and that I continue to network and get my name out there. I'm in the process of running two shows at the moment so I've been away recently. I've been asked to use my know how in the theatre and film arts. So excuse fucking me for having a life that doesn't revolve around conversation with you. I'm not running anywhere. I'm living my dream.
You've either A) read my PM back to you and are ignoring it because it proves you wrong or B) haven't read it yet which I don't believe because you seem to get on your computer all the time since you're on here all the freaking time.
Go back and read that PM again. And do exactly what I told you to do...post it. You accused me of being a shit starter...however I'm not the one calling attention to myself am I? I'm not the one talking in circles. I'm not the one trying to prove what superior brain power I have over everyone else by accusing them of having a frozen intellect. I don't need to prove anything to you, I have better things to use my time and energy on.
I don't care that you hate Tolkien. Whatever. It's your taste and opinion on the matter. I've already given my take on things, even had some proof to back me up, but I said before I'm not here to argue who's a better writer than whom...that is an arguement that would go around in circles. So unless you have actual proof of the fact that REH had a hand in Tolkien's work..........
Now I'm sure you'll have something to say to this, like "See, I knew you'd back down" or "see I knew you'd say I'd call attention...." blah blah blah...accusations thrown here and accusations thrown there. I was willing to have constructive conversation with you. I love long conversations that make me think...and I enjoy seeing things from a different perspective and thinking outside my box...I do it all the time. Hell, ask anyone that knows me best. But this is not productive anymore and is becoming more and more juvenile.
Go one XG, throw out yet another juvenile accusation to either one of us as normal...as predicted...it's getting old.
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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I NEVER <-- note: caps: I "NEVER" received a response (PM) from you. If I had, perhaps this conversation would be different. But newp. No such thing ever occured on my end.
I got attacked, again and again, and when I sought to defend myself (even after being called a "dessicated abortion", I got censored and my post was deleted).
XG
perhaps you sent one, but I never received it.
but then Haken feels fit to delete my posts (ahh you just gotta love free speech) (and no this does'nt mean I would ever be nice about my take on your writing Queeny.. I'm still a prick!)
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Quote:
XG ~ defiant to the last.
XG, do you know what your sin is?
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