Logical Fallacies in Serenity

POSTED BY: CTHawk
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GIXXER

Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:58 AM

1. People can't be made better. Trying to do so causes most of the problems we have.

2. The secret's out. It'll soon be old news. True, if he had managed to stifle it, that would have been ideal, but shi...you know the rest. The Operative is a smart guy, and isn't concerned with shutting empty stable doors. If he choses not to go after Mal and the crew, it's probably a hefty hint to the Alliance not to as well.

The Alliance might consider punishing him, but I think they might realise what an Huge Mistake that might be*. Can you imagine him misbehaving on their asses? Good film right there, except The Bourne Supremacy has already been done.

3. Drunks can drive.

G

* Dunno though, corporate arrogance, stupidity and all? I mean. Look at those uniforms... Tragic.

ASARIAN

Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:23 AM

The way I see it, Serenity really has only one severe continuation error, and that's the absence of a BDM sequel.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

RCAT

Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:29 AM

I agree with all the explanations about the reavers organization and skills. I try to discribe it to my friends who brought up this apparent paradox as a pack of wild dogs. In rural areas dogs (both strays and housepets) will sometimes get together in a pack and harass livestock to the point of killing cattle and even entire heards of sheep, out of instinct, bloodlust or whatever, as they don't eat the livestock (my argument to those who say humans are the only ones who kill for reasons other than survival). I've never heard of these dogs turning on each other. Ranchers generally have to get together to hunt and 'put the animals down'. Supposedly once they get the taste for blood there's nothing else to do (once the dogs get the taste that is...as to the ranchers well that's up for debate).

"It's ok sweety he makes everyone cry. He's a monster."
-Kaylee

CAUSAL

Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by nosadseven:
I was just amused at how appropriately your comments could be summed up by the Princess Bride line.

I find that there is an appropriate Princess Bride quote for most situations in life.

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DONCOAT

Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by nosadseven:
I was just amused at how appropriately your comments could be summed up by the Princess Bride line.

I find that there is an appropriate Princess Bride quote for most situations in life.

Have fun storming the castle!

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

KWICKO

Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:05 PM

Causal: Thanks for pointing that out. I mean the bit about simply correcting someone, and how it DOESN'T necessarily mean you're being an ass when you do so. If someone corrects my grammar or spelling, am I do get huffy about it, or LEARN from it so as not to make the same mistake again? I don't generally see people getting snippy about things if someone corrects their math...

If I point out that it's "...could have been..." and not "...could of been...", I'm trying to inform, not ridicule. I see people abusing the language on a regular basis, and it irks me. If someone came here claiming that 2+2=9, we'd waste no time correcting them, yes? But try to correct their misuse of language, and you'll be kicking a hornet's nest.

Likewise, if you point out that "logical fallacies" as perceived are NOT logical fallacies, it doen'st mean you're trying to make the person look stupid; it means you're trying to educate them. Most people just don't need any help looking stupid, myself included. :)

We all have our theories on why certain "inconsistencies" within the movie actually work, and are consistent. I think we've sufficiently pointed out that they might *seem* inconsistent without really being so. Such is life; that which might seem wrong can sometimes be right, and vice-versa.

Mike

"Kaylee, find that kid that's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus; we need a hood ornament."

ROCKETJOCK

Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:06 PM

For the record: The Alliance did not make River "better" -- her intelligence, gymnastic skill, and even her nascent psychic abilities were all existant before they stirred her brains with a fork. What they tried to do was make her more controllable.

"More controllable." That's the Alliance's idea of "better". That's what they tried to do on Miranda. And that's what Mal is dead set against.

Making a flock of sheep more controlable is a great idea, from the point of view of the sheep rancher. It don't do a world of good for the sheep.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. The unreasonable man insists his environment adjust itself to him. Therefore all human progress is due to unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw

MURKYMERC

Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by Murkymerc:
...after pinning the "Pompous Ass" award on your chest.

And what award, exactly, do you get? Something about snarky, followed by something to do with asses. I suspect. I find it amusing that you felt the need to amend your original post so that it would be perfectly clear that you were being an asshole. Well done!

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Hmm, actually I amended very shortly after submitting it, and I thought before anyone else had responded. I amended it because I thought I had been way too nice to you after your long rambling attempt to show off at the original posters expense. Also, I could resist the Jayne quote. "Today I was a pompous ass, and my sister was crazy" I will be honest though, after I saw the good natured way you took the original response, I felt bad because you did got my point without the adjustments.

ASARIAN

Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Causal: Thanks for pointing that out. I mean the bit about simply correcting someone, and how it DOESN'T necessarily mean you're being an ass when you do so. If someone corrects my grammar or spelling, am I do get huffy about it, or LEARN from it so as not to make the same mistake again?

I would say: there is a place and a time for everything. So, to answer your question: it depends on where you are (or "I am", to make it an "I sentence"). If I were in school, I'd have no problem with a teacher correcting my grammar. But here, I would probably be rather ticked off at someone being unnecessarily nit-pickery and pendantic. Why? Because I do not come here to have my grammar/spelling/whatever corrected. I come here to have a good time.

Also, we're all just folks here, remember? Nobody has assigned anyone teacher/pupil roles. So, assuming a teacher role here -- especially when doing so for no greater purpose, really, than to stomp on a person -- is, yeah, annoying. :) And it is really also an "out-of-place" thing to do, really; and posssiby an "out-of-line" thing, too.

So, you think I do not know what a "logical fallacy" is? Think again. And yet, I have never, even once, felt but the slighest inclination to point out the misuse of term to the orginal poster. Why? I would say, because I'm not being a jack-ass. :) I know perfectly well what he means; don't you? Saying so would really serve no other purpose than to be a show-off and a put-down -- neither of which are things I particularly value.

Also, the thing about correcting is, it has a nasty tendency to come back, and bite you in the ass. Because, the next moment, people will be picking apart YOUR grammar. And, as far as making better worlds goes, I think that is just not the way to go about it.

But, hey, YMMV. :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

MURKYMERC

Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:38 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:

This would fall into the same category as people who get mad when people correct other people's grammar. It's completely beyond me why this hacks people off the way it does.

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It thing it is how it is done as opposed to the correction itself. Most people don't mind being corrected if done respectfully. I thought your post was great until you concluded it with "Please education yourself ...”

However, that's neither here nor there, back the thread at hand...

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