Logical Fallacies in Serenity

POSTED BY: CTHawk
UPDATED: Sunday, February 12, 2006 02:26
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PDCHARLES

Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gixxer:
(For PDC)

Unaccustomed as I am to public speaking... (pause for polite laughter) As you may have guessed, I am not a verbose fellow. However, I would like to thank you all very much indeed for being here, and for thinking so favourably of me.

In my opinion, the personal circumstances under which you good people live and work is entirely appalling, and among the worst I have ever witnessed anywhere.

It is a testament to your character that you accepted your lot and coped so admirably with it. And that, ladies and gentlemen, that is something.

G

Aaaargh!...Running too long without containment...become George Lucas...must reach Oscar Ceremony...

Bwah aha ah aahaha hahaha!

Ode to the Protagonist of Canton

U gonna be smart here Riva?!?

ZOID

Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:36 PM

pdcharles wrote:

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...Ode to the Protagonist of Canton.

Jayne Cobb: The Bashful Demagogue...

v/r,
-zed
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"Pretentious?" -Jayne Cobb, heavily armed wordsmith; Firefly, "Shindig"

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:
(For PDC)

Unaccustomed as I am to public speaking... (pause for polite laughter) As you may have guessed, I am not a verbose fellow. However, I would like to thank you all very much indeed for being here, and for thinking so favourably of me.

In my opinion, the personal circumstances under which you good people live and work is entirely appalling, and among the worst I have ever witnessed anywhere.

It is a testament to your character that you accepted your lot and coped so admirably with it. And that, ladies and gentlemen, that is something.

G

Aaaargh!...Running too long without containment...become George Lucas...must reach Oscar Ceremony...

You need to correct this, it is totally lacking in the proper rhetoric. It's just wrong, it would never pass and english class. Pump it up with some ethos.

No high-school English teacher would let this fly. "I am not a verbose fellow," might make it in fourth grade, but not for anything in real life.

At the very least it should be, "I don't speak often," and, "I don't talk much," would work much better.*

Seriously man, how can you bring us such a flawed creation? At least pretend you went to school.

-

*Neither really has the right ring but you so totally destroyed all meaning in this that one can't jump from it to what would be a rhetorical smash worthy of Cicero, "I'm no good with words, don't use them much myself."

Oh, and for the record, your grammar was still bad.

(If you even considered taking this anything remotely close to seriously you'd best forget you read it.)

ZOID

Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:06 PM

christhecynic wrote, in part, and greatly tongue-in-cheek, I believe:

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...No high-school English teacher would let this fly...

Although you were being facetious (unless I mistook your last words, "If you even considered taking this anything remotely close to seriously you'd best forget you read it"), I believe that Gixxer is British, even though his(?) profile reads "no information available".

If true, then his English trumps the American "high-school" teacher's. There is nothing wrong with either his usage (although I might've said "that you have accepted your lot") or idiomatic expressions, from the viewpoint of his culture. It just sounds like something Tony Blair might say...

...And how is that working out for 'Ol' Tone'?

American-ly,

zoid

P.S.
Jayne Cobb for President in '08! And, no, I don't mean Adam Baldwin, either. I mean Jayne Cobb; although AB could play the role, just as Reagan portrayed a presidential character in the 80's. It worked then, it could work again. It sure as Hell would scare the living daylights out of the miscreants of the world...
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

MURKYMERC

Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:51 AM

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Originally posted by CTHawk:
I know people are going to hate me for this, but...

3. This is something throughout the series that doesn't make sense, but I guess just needs to be accepted. The Reavers have been driven to virtual insanity by the Pax yet they don't turn on each other and can still operate complex space machinery.

Since I was one of the ones to get this thread off track, allow me to be one of the ones to get it back on by sharing my long rambling theory on this

:

Most of what we consider good vs. evil is based upon the balancing of individual needs vs. community needs. One thing that Lucas did that was cool was build into the story line that the evil side could really only maintain two at a time, and only then because there was a clear understanding of the master vs. the subordinate.

The Reavers are psychotically aggressive and degenerate. They torture, cannibalize, and rape anything they can get their hands on, but also appear to have maintained a great deal of their functional intelligence. My theory is that as long as they have other "non-Reaver" groups to prey on they are able to work together, though I imagine the off each other regularly too. However, during slow times I imagine they have a great deal of inner-conflict. No different than any other country. For us US citizens remember how we all didn't get along that well between the fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11 (hell, I thought the O.J. verdict was going to result in the return of the midnight lynchings).

As far as inconsistencies, all works of fiction have them to some degree. It is often easy to detect a lie, because what is being said doesn’t fall into a logical pattern. Compared to other shows and things I have read, I think Firefly did a pretty darn good job of keeping the pattern together, even if they didn't have the chance to compete all threads.

GIXXER

Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:26 AM

British.

I always carry an small supply of the letter "u" when I visit this board. You never know. It may catch on again. The word "colour" just looks nicer.

Chris's ass is going down for his shameful attack. There was a lot of money tied up in that tea. (232 and a bit years. Not that I'm one to hold a grudge...)

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