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Umm...we'll I'm really excited that I finished writing my third novel last month, but I think I'll make a mental note to not post it's publication here (hoping that happens). Seems to be a lot of unneccessary anger here.
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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
As for you Psolaris, I'll deal with you later. I will gladly tear apart the myths you possess about the fraud Tolkien.
psolairs: I so desperately want to deal with your misguided load of horseshit but I will do so later. tolkien was a 1/2-ass hack. nothing more.
strangely enough "The Hobbit" is my most-favorite book, as big a whore as Tolkien was. LOTR won't even appear in my top 50.
Sorry XG my dear, but what I quoted was all fact. Go look it up yourself if you do not believe me. I did much Tolkien study in High School and in college because I did love his writings. As did I love C.S. Lewis, and I also did much studying on him. No where in my previous post, however, did I critique Tolkien, no where did I state what my opinion on the man is, I simply wrote down who inspired him, and when his realm of middle earth became to take shape, which is all well before Howard started to write. I was simply explaining that REH had no bearings on Tolkien's writings what so ever. That they both are the father's of somethings, but different somethings.
I do enjoy REH quite a bit, I do consider him a talented yet dark writer. In my opinion he can put the scare to the page, and that's what I loved about it. As for Tolkien, he created an entire world, with a history, with timelines, with bloodlines and lineage all recorded, with several different languages all of which he created being that he was a linguist in college; he created the syntax, the grammar, the conjugations. That in and of itself is brilliance in my book. And in fact I find his writings to be brilliant and inspirational. He's the reason I love the epic fantasy genre to begin with. But those are simply MY opinions on the man.
There are no myths that I've stated about Tolkien. All of this is relatively easy to look up yourself. I'm not here to debate whether or not Tolkien is a greater writer or if REH is. Yes I have my opinions on both, as obviously you do as well. Yes indeed it is quite obvious what your opinion is. But don't sit there and try to "tear" apart what I posses when all I've stated is facts. If you want to rip into Tolkien and what your feelings are on him, go right ahead...all of us are entitled to our feelings. I won't get offended because you want to tear apart my favorite author. It'd be downright hypocritical to deny anyone the right to talk about their opinions, their thoughts, and their feelings. But as for misguided load of horshit...
Go look it up yourself and see if what I posted before is false.
Psolaris
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Originally posted by SerenityValley:
Umm...we'll I'm really excited that I finished writing my third novel last month, but I think I'll make a mental note to not post it's publication here (hoping that happens). Seems to be a lot of unneccessary anger here.
SV, you go ahead and post when you get that published!! I'd love to know about it and support a fellow Browncoat. Worry not about anger my friend. I'm proud of you for writing your third novel!!
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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Killian: Thanks for the support.
SerenityValley: You just finished writing your third novel? Wow. That's awesome. I'm working on 2 and 3 but haven't finished them yet. Time is kind of a bad factor. Anyways, as psolaris said, please let me know if you get it published. I'd be happy to pick up a copy. By the way, are your previous two published? If so, I will try to find them. Also, don't worry about the unnecessary anger. I'm not mad at XG. Yet. 
Just sticking up for myself is all.
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Queeny:
Your characters are dry and passionless. The plot in your story drags on because it's mechanical and boring. The storylines roll along like a sitcom script. I could care less what happened to the characters in your book from one page to the next. Your writing was not compelling. I wasn't into the story and the characters. Newp just wasn't workin for me. And no, I'm not contradicting myself. If I had tore your book apart page by page, in the final analysis I would not have spared you what I now say. You got praise from me on purely technical points.
You can write but you can't tell a story. 2 very different things. If you'd read the authors I recommend and study them in-depth, you could cure all your ills. I give you an A+ on technical talent and high-school level writing; your grammar and punctuation is all superdooper... but you can't tell interesting stories. I want death, violence, sex (and lots of it), more violence, even more sex (with an extra helping of sex thrown in for good measure).
I want Dr. Phil to FORBID mention of your book on his show. I want gratuitously interesting shit to happen in your books. You are way way way WAAAAAAAAAY to fuckin tame. Read REH and the worm will turn for you. Or don't. I genuinely couldn't give a shit. You want my opinion and your getting it, like it or not.
You have to dig up the great works of other authors and take inspiration from them. R.E. Howard, his best-friend, H.P. Lovecraft are 2 really good places to start. (also check out Robert Aspirin's MYTH books as well as Thieves' World ~ 2 minor epics in great literary work relating to your style of writing). If you want to invent fictional worlds and epic universes that make for great story-telling, you need to study and read under the greats who've already succeeded.
There is also (AND THIS IS SUPREMELY RECOMMENDED) the canons of "The Arabian Nights". Just go google it and read the books. Look for the english-language translations that spare no details and don't modify any part of it's writing. Literal translations.
Study these texts and blend them into your writing and you'll stop being an amateur.
Psolaris:
I am SO gonna annihilate you on this Tolkien debate thing. You should go run and hide cuz I know my literature (I actually read and read and read). Yer outta yer league chicklet.
But for now, this is about Queeny, our patron-saint of badly-written books. She is just so fucking gonna hate me for that.
XG
Eat me!
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Go ahead XG, as I do not fear what you may need to say. So no, I am not going to run and hide. I don't doubt you know your literature, but I do as well. As I stated before, all I did was give timelines. If you want to get into a debate over who's a better author, it's just gonna go around in circles as we each have our opinions on certain things, and I will not yield my feelings on what I think of Tolkien or Howard...because these feelings are mine and I hold strongly to them. So that kind of debate may be a waste of time...although it may not if your willing to respect my feelings on the subject as much as I am willing to respect yours.
I'm just all kinds of feisty man.
Psolaris
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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Queeny:
I want death, violence, sex (and lots of it), more violence, even more sex (with an extra helping of sex thrown in for good measure).
You are way way way WAAAAAAAAAY to fuckin tame.
But for now, this is about Queeny, our patron-saint of badly-written books. She is just so fucking gonna hate me for that.
Sorry, XG, but I don't hate you. Is that what you were trying for? Because you failed miserably. Actually, you're doing me a favor by continually digging this thread out of the archives so more people know about my book. So please, continue. Not to mention that I find all of this vastly amusing.
Anyways, as for your statement that my book's too tame and doesn't have enough sex and death and violence, I was actually gearing it toward a younger audience. You know, kids. For which that kind of stuff would be highly inappropriate. So you'll forgive me if I don't take that suggestion/argument too seriously. I simply can't recall the last time I read a book geared towards younger audiences that was filled with sex, death and violence.
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Queeny:
Well then. I withdraw everything I've said about your book. I didn't know it was written for children. I'm no judge of children's literature because... well, I'm no child. I read shit for people above the age of 18. I thought you were trying to write for adults. If you think my criticism is cruel, then you have a nasty awakening waiting right around the corner. Truth from the mouth of babes is "bad news." It's an honesty that will be infinitely more cruel from the lips of those ignorant little demons. If you want to write for children then I suggest the one true master, Seuss. Half art, half magic.
To be quite blunt, I gladly could use a break from your psycho-analysis of my motives. You probably live some sheltered existence and would never know honesty if it fell out of the heavens and landed on your head.
I will post nothing more regarding your book. I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place, nor will I ever purchase another. From now on, when you try to sell your writing, you should announce loud and clear it's meant for children. FF Fans aren't all composed of the young.
Psolaris: (the infinitely clueless one)
bottom line: REH put a bullet in his head in 1936. One year later, the same year we also lost his best friend and equally great author Lovecraft, "The Hobbit" was published. The copy-cat Oxford professor wrote with passion that he stole from their underground texts of REH and Lovecraft. They may have been pulp writers but their work was epic. People loved it (and still do, myself included). And no. Tokien didn't plagiarize. But yes, he lifted the style and the spirit from the writings of these 2 great men. He mixed it with the mythologies and theolgical crap that makes Europeans cream their jeans.
To keep the point brief, Tolkien copied these 2 great men and produced an epic work of art ("The Hobbit").
He blended his soul and educated background with everything he thieved from the true talents and gave us a great masterpiece of literature. Riding on their coat-tails, he outdid the men who inspired him. He did so in the form of that one book. But it would'nt last long.
Pilfering the writings of these great men and re-writing it with his own weird mix of background, he gave us "The Hobbit".
It was fucking insanely great, but still a copy. He struck gold with it. Riding on his on success, Tolkien then wind-bagged everyone to death with his half-ass poetry and absurdly tangled, twisted middle-earth rantings. We had to endure it through his next 3 books. He stole the mojo of REH and Lovecraft and did (1) a masterful painting of great literature ("The Hobbit"), and (2) an bottomless pit of words he called a trilogy (LOTR).
I ammend what I said in this thread earlier. I read hobbit 5-6 times. I only read LOTR trilogy (and silmarillion) twice. Trying to follow his blustery horse-manure writing was a fuckin agony. It was a laborious torture because he didn't know how to write shit that was (1) easy to read, and (2) easy to read.
Fuck these whores who love Peter Jackson films and proclaim loudly that they are faithful servants of the fraud Tolkien. If you're reading this and you are one of them, then fuck you! I was shaking a fist-full of AD&D dice and designing with pencil and paper whole worlds inspired from REH, Lovecraft, and my one true god (Gygax) before you were even born. I know Tokien's books and these asses don't. Neither do you Psolaris. I've devoured the writings of "the greats" before there was ever an internet to placate their simple minds.
XG
If you wanna live in the fanboi-ish world of legendary lies that surround Tolkine Psolaris, go for it.
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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So lemme get this straight. Because I have a different taste in authors, then I'm infinitely clueless (and I recall you once calling me one of the only people here interesting enough to keep your interest, so short lived that seemed to be). You have no clue about who I am and what I know. As much as you devoured one genre, I devoured the other, and that has NOTHING to do with intelligence, but everything to do with different tastes we each own.
What I don't understand is how you seem to miss the point that Tolkien was already writing his story of middle earth before REH hit puberty. So explain to me just how on earth he copied from Howard's style when Howard didn't have a style to copy from. And what part of Tolkien drew much of his inspiration from the author Andrew Lang didn't you understand? Tolkien was sucked into Lang's world at a very young age and began writing in that style while he was still young himself, and all while Howard was still in diapers. I don't have a problem with you not liking Tolkien, as it's your opinion. You're not fond of his style obviously, but don't criticize him for something he is not guilty of. He did not pull from Howard, period. He pulled heavily from Lang, from the old Gothic and from old Norse mythology, and believe it or not he was fascinated by the old story of Beowulf. And besides, he did something that not many other authors do, and that's create an entire history of an entire world complete with many races, laws of each society, bloodlines and lineage all carefully recorded, each race having their own language which he himself created without the help of anyone else, timelines carefully kept about this world. That in itself is not a style he ripped from anyone, but showed his own passion for his own work.
Keep in mind, I did nothing but read anything that dealt with fanatasy growing up. You act like I did nothing but sit around and play dolls. Abso-fucking-lutely not. I read book after book after book, I studied my favorite authors, I imagined myself in their worlds when I read them, and I read them more than once. Hell, I still have a bookcase FULL of these books that I will STILL pull from and read. And point of interest, you're not much older than me (you're my senior by 4 years) so I don't doubt you were playing your D&D games at the same time I was playing mine...yes, I played much D&D too. And the games I played were not only worlds that were inspired by one person. They were inspired by Tolkien, Lewis, Howard, Le Guin, etc.
You disappoint me XG. All of your post is full of opinion. You feel that Tolkien copied Howard's style, yet you don't have the proof to back it. All I see here is your conjecture. I've given you timelines and other names in Tolkien's life that are cold hard facts to back up my claims that Howard had nothing to do with Tolkien's writings. He was too young to.
Psolaris
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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Queeny:
Well then. I withdraw everything I've said about your book. I didn't know it was written for children. I'm no judge of children's literature because... well, I'm no child. I read shit for people above the age of 18. I thought you were trying to write for adults. If you think my criticism is cruel, then you have a nasty awakening waiting right around the corner. Truth from the mouth of babes is "bad news." It's an honesty that will be infinitely more cruel from the lips of those ignorant little demons. If you want to write for children then I suggest the one true master, Seuss. Half art, half magic.
To be quite blunt, I gladly could use a break from your psycho-analysis of my motives. You probably live some sheltered existence and would never know honesty if it fell out of the heavens and landed on your head.
I will post nothing more regarding your book. I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place, nor will I ever purchase another. From now on, when you try to sell your writing, you should announce loud and clear it's meant for children. FF Fans aren't all composed of the young.
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I guess I should qualify that statement more. I wrote it so that it would be appropriate for children to read as well as adults. I don't see why you assume you can't read a children's book just because you're an adult. You know the Hobbit that you like so much? Widely regarded as a children's book. Chronicles of Narnia, Harry Potter? Children's books loved by millions of adults. But, just so you'll feel better, everyone at ff.net who's reading this, listen up, okay? My book is written to be appropriate for children as well as adults. So if you're looking for something bordering on violent pornography, don't buy my book, all right? There.
I don't know why you continue to claim that I can't accept honesty. You hate my book. You think it sucks. My book is not good/great/masterpiece of literature. I know this. I've accepted it. Repeatedly accepted it. I don't know where your difficulty in this is coming from. But I guess I shouldn't attempt to understand, because you'll accuse me of psychoanalyzing you.
By the way, I've read the Silmarillion and agree with you about it being a painfully unreadable book. I've also read LOTR twice but I think it's good, though it's also difficult to get through. I also read all of these before the movies came out, if that makes me more qualified to give my opinion. I don't know anything about the timelines, though, so I'll let you and Psolaris battle that out.
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"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."
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