Serenity AS Constitution?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 15:15
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FLETCH2

Monday, January 30, 2006 9:20 PM

No to DT again.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:00 AM

No, one fletch did it over and over again. This time, Finn is right, ti was the liberals on the court and for Christs sake, Fletch, give it a rest.

You are never going to let go of your "conservatives are evil, all hail the socialist revolution, just give us the one ring, it's our precious, we needs it" stance, are you?

Words fail me.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:06 AM

And Fletch, as I already said, in English, Freedom and Freely both come from free, and yet mean generous and liberty correspondingly as well, so your same root word idea is bogus. I posted all the dictionary definitions I could find. I'm not wrong here. But that isn't really the point, is it? This about you and your alliance, your one ring, your all-seeing eye.

We, on the right, are not the enemy. I, am not the enemy. You don't ever seem to get it, and you don't ever give an inch. You have to win unconditional surrender on every point don't you, protecting the purity of your utopian ideal. I've had it, I really have.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:55 AM

Once again,

Liber - a roman God of wine merriment, generosity, the giver.

Liber, roman word for book, or free, and it's derivations (From ubc.ca University of British Columbia, the first hit I got on google for a latin dictionary)
liber libri : book.
liber libera, liberum : free, independent, unrestricted.
liberalis : courteous, generous, gentlemanly.
liberalitas : courtesy, kindness, generousity / a grant.
liberaliter : courteously, generously, honorably.
liberatio : release, liberation, acquittal, setting free.
libere : freely, openly, frankly.
libero : to liberate, set free.
libero : to lift (an obstacle), raise.
libero : to set free, deliver, liberate, release / exempt
libertas : freedom, liberty, independence / frankness, candor. Liberalis,

Liberal, from dictionary.com

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Tending to give freely; generous.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

From the same latin dictionary,

conservo : to preserve, conserve, maintain, keep, hold to.

Conservative as it opposite of liberal, to keep vs. to give.

I recall you lost that argument before, no wonder you don't want it coming up again. Anyway, I didn't start it, citizen posted liberal as being libertarian.
My point here is that we are all libertarians. I am certainly NOT going to let you claim the freedom is a partisan issue.
You would love a world in which liberal meant freedom loving and by opposition conservative meant freedom hating, which would nicely suit your propaganda machine.
But this is simply not the case. Particularly, as the words are used in opposition, there is only one derivation in which they are in opposition, and that is the meaning intended.
We are the keepers, you are the givers. If you prefer to paint it negatively, feel free, we're uncle scrooge, and you are santa claus. So be it.
But you simply cannot turn things on their head to make us the enemies of freedom, and your side it's natural heirs.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:12 AM

I say we start an international BROWNCOAT party, sort of middle-of-the road libertarian, and vote the scum on either side of the divider away.
(of course, the very act of creating a new party will inevitably invite new opportunistic scum to seep in to take new advantage...)

ARGHHHH!

Forget it, just vote on issues...

Hard burn Chrisisall

FLETCH2

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:36 AM

I didn't argue it at all Finn did and he actually won it. You don't "win" an argument by refusing to acknowledge when you lose it. As I recall the root of both words was Liberous (?) meaning "good enough for a free man." Free in this case being a citizen freed from slavery as opposed to one born free.

We also showed that anywhere in English that "liberal" was used to mean generous you could replace it with a variation of "free" and still be accurate.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:13 AM

Quote:
You don't "win" an argument by refusing to acknowledge when you lose it.

Precisely what I was saying.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:15 AM

Chris, the third party would split whoever it was closest too, causing it's worst enemy, whichever that was, to always win. I like my be-our-own conspiracy idea, left and right working together to get better left and better right.

I also propose that pirate jenny is pirate news' new recruit to make him seem less alone. Maybe she's his wife.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:32 AM

Anyway, my apologies Fletch. I was really annoyed, I didn't mean to go off like that, or if I did, I don't mean to now.

FLETCH2

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:57 AM

Well since Finn was the one you were arguing with if you really believe you won you need him to conceed. You can't claim victory in an argument with me if you had it with him. I can't concede for him (and incidentally he was right.)

For your information the reason I remember it so vividly is that it was in that argument that my opinion of you seriously fell. You argued that if the Oxford English dictionary didnt agree with your definition then it had obviously been "nobbled" by liberals, which is so out there as to seriously hit your credibility.

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