Serenity AS Constitution?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 15:15
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CHRISISALL

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:10 PM

Serenity (the Constitution) is besieged by the Alliance (the Bush administration, or any other that seek to weaken it) and Reavers (Corporate raiders and of course terrorists- some of which are of the U.S. government's making).

Love keeps her in the air when she ought to fall down.
Love of freedom. Love of justice.

Serenity (Constitution) takes a beating, but keeps on flying...

Anybody else make this connection?

Patriotic Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:14 PM

ME! ME! ME!

A few years ago I said on this Board was that the Alliance was like the United States (under Bush). I was metaphorically beaten about the head and shoulders until someone came up with a quote from Joss- of all people- saying the same thing. A lot of people STILL don't get it!

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Please don't think they give a shit.

CHRISISALL

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:37 PM

SignyM, technically I'm still a newbie, or I would have just added to you comment long ago.
But I was watching Firefly lat night, and as I was going to sleep it hit me: Serenity's not a means of escape so much as home to family values (the real kind) and lawful beliefs, staying off worlds 'till such time as it's core values are once again embraced.
It's our Constitution that can be shot down for a while, but not killed. It's real beliefs for real people, not bureaucratic words for corporate expediency and big-government control.

I just love this show/movie more and more.

Enemy of would-be Constitution-weakeners everywhere Chrisisall

GEEZER

Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:21 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Serenity (the Constitution) is besieged by the Alliance (... or any other that seek to weaken it)

You mean like the 2nd Amendment-hating Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, et al? Yep. Evil Alliance bastards, every one.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:28 AM

Hmm. Interesting theory. Could be.

I need to needlessly nitpick everyone's arguments.

> "Serenity (the Constitution) "

Yes, I can see this, he does say several times "serenity is freedom," so serenity is freedom, but the constitution is the document which grants that freedom, so one and the same, sure.

> "is besieged by the Alliance (the Bush administration, or any other that seek to weaken it)

Like Clinton. Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/Bush. I'm not just saying this because it's what I believe. I strongly believe that Joss believes this. I think the whole "Ben is Glory, Glory is Ben" thing was about Bush is Clinton, Clinton is Bush.

> and Reavers (Corporate raiders and of course terrorists- some of which are of the U.S. government's making).

Okay, I gotta nitpick half of this. Reavers are terrorists, created by the alliance (of Bush and Clinton) so this much, sure.

But corporatocracy is represented by Blue Sun. Two by two, hands of blue are evil out of control corporates in league with the supreme executive.
Signym,

I'm gonna keep saying it, even if no one's listening. The alliance is the alliance because they are. They could have been the oligarchy, the monarchy, the theocracy, the aristocracy, or the totalitarian military dictatorship. The fact that they are the alliance says something about who they are supposed to be, and alliance, I believe to be of Clinton and Bush. There is a parliment, so there are probably elections. Does anyone know for sure? Are there two parties? I guess the point is it doesn't matter because there's one unchecked objective of federal power.

If Joss meant this to be specifically partisan, he might have been kinder to Hillary.

Geezer,

Chuck Shumer isn't evil. He's unreliable, but not evil. I used to think he was evil, but he steps out of line sometimes. He's okay, I guess. I'm not joining the Shumer for president campaign, but I'm not giving a yay vote to putting him in with DiFi. Kennedy is a party pet, which I guess is his choice. I mean the GOP has party pets too, that just is what it is. DiFi is evil. She's evil with a candy coating. She plays the part of being Boxer, but isn't. But, since I have two senators, and the other one is Hillary, and I listen to them speak up in the senate, Mr. Shumer actually does stand up for civil liberties and limited govt. on occassion, which is pretty big of him since they're not on his party's platform. I think he's trying to do the right thing, he just gets it wrong sometimes. I would bid you swap him out for Hillary, who does, according to canon apparently, drink virgins blood.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:01 PM

I think some folks need to take up a new hobby. Or get outside more.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:15 PM

AURaptor, if I believed all that you seem to, I would hate Firefly as lefty-liberal-libertarian bull***t, full of contempt for authority, and not give it a second viewing.
Why is it, exactly, that you say you like it?
I'm not kidding here, I really don't understand.
I know that I, myself, cannot watch Airforce One because I could never believe that we could have a president that courageous and fair, and see the flick as being so much fairytale nonsense set in today's real world that I can't stomach it....

????Chrisisall????

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
AURaptor, if I believed all that you seem to, I would hate Firefly as lefty-liberal-libertarian bull***t, full of contempt for authority, and not give it a second viewing.
Why is it, exactly, that you say you like it?
I'm not kidding here, I really don't understand.
I know that I, myself, cannot watch Airforce One because I could never believe that we could have a president that courageous and fair, and see the flick as being so much fairytale nonsense set in today's real world that I can't stomach it....

????Chrisisall????

As a conservative libertarian, and a Southerner too, I can identify w/ Mal's plight and the concept of letting folk do as they please, as long as they don't hinder or deprive anyone else of their freedom through force or fraud. Yet despite the yammerings of our personal freedoms being taken away, I simply don't see it. Well, not any more than I saw under the previous Administration( Waco, Elian Gonzalez, for example ) ...in fact, far less so now.

I'll eagerly agree that our Fed Gov't is too large, and that it has become a behemoth unto its own, regardless of who sits in the White House. And also there are those from both the Left and Right who'd use the Gov't to intrude further into our lives, whether by ignoring the US Constitution w/ imminent domain laws or the 'Friendly Customer' law which would have banks report to the Feds any unuusal account activity of a customer.

But also, who could not love the whole Hookers - in - space thing ?

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:23 PM

Chris,

I think Firefly is right wing extremism, or at least libertarian extremism, so I would ask the same of Fletch. I think that the reality is, we're all libertarians here, and everything else is a combination of posturing and baggage.

I'm pretty deeply committed to a lot of conservative ideals, and I think libertarianism is one of those ideals. Others here view it as part of classic liberalism, and are likely committed to other ideals of the political left.

But, overall, I see you're point. There are a fair number here who are pretty pro-big-govt., whether they be left or right, and that they still do love firefly, which they do, I think shows an inconsistancy.

When I posted this idea earlier, Fletch shredded me for it, but I think it's true. People haven't worked out this inconsistancy.

Joss is not stomping for the political left. I'm not about to claim he's stomping for the political right, he's his own animal, but that portrayal of Hillary in the final few eps of Angel was stunningly anti.

It was also a great re-assurance to me, that my whole team-evil idea, which may be a wacked out conspiracy theory, is at least very in tune with the way Joss views the situation.

I think other interesting questions could be asked, not to sway anyones attachment to the show, or Joss. But, because I'm a wacky vampire, I just gotta toss this out here:

Are Mal and the gang terrorists? I believe that Al Qaeda is more or less represented by Reavers, and that negativity reflects that, since Reavers in the western parallel are the indians, and I don't think Joss wanted to be that negative on indians. But to what extent are the Serenity crew influenced by the terrorists. We aim to misbehave. I think there may be a subtle message here, which is comparing Al Qaeda to our founding fathers. I don't think for a moment that Joss is that radical, but I think he may be trying to say something here, in this direction, about the whole situation. Something that's not "hey kids, do like Bin Laden" but, I don't know, I don't have the answer here, but I saw this, and I thought I'd run it up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes it.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:25 PM

And Auraptor, I get out occassionally, into the zero degree weather, the sometimes several feet of snow and the hundreds of square miles of nothing. I live *outside* the city.

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