A Christians perspective

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by jhance11:
As I said earlier Wood is fine for building almost any ship until you get to A certain size and weight itls not that it would not float but the internal stress would make leaks springup all around the ship This was found to be true using computer aided design at Cal-tech

This is why I need to keep track of my sources. Someone came across a bracing structure for wood that would compensate for the incredible stress as determined by computer aided design at ____. I didn't keep track of the source so I can not fill in the blank.

Since you remember your source I encourge everyone to listen to you. (Everyone, I encourage you to listen to jhance11.)

Still if you think you can trust me and my memory you'll have to accept that computers said it both ways. Even if you don't the only way to be sure would be to build every possible variant of a boat that size out of wood and see if any didn't leak. I doubt anyone would try that. (I hope no one does.)

Regardless, if all computers everywhere agreed that it could be done I personally wouldn't want to trust my life to such a boat. Not without god's help at any rate.

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There are other elements of your comments that make sense and I find my self in agreement with

Always nice to know.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kizyr:
Strangely enough, he reminds me quite a bit of the Muslim character from Pitch Black (imam Al-Walid, played by Keith David). The movie was ok, but the character there was incredible--to date, it's the only real accurate and positive depiction of a Muslim character on the big screen.

Never would have thought of Book as being like him, but now that you say it they are alike.

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What made Pitch Black good, and what was lacking in the sequel, was the interplay of the characters. One thing that comes to mind was thread on God, summarized badly here:

Imam: Because you do not believe in God does not mean God does not believe in - .
Riddick: Think someone could spend half their life in a slam with a horse bit in their mouth and not believe? Think he could start out in some liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and not believe? Got it all wrong, holy man. I absolutely believe in God... And I absolutely hate the fucker.

Riddick: [Imam has just lost everyone he cared about.] Where the hell's your God now?

Imam: [Riddick, murderer and God hater, comes back to save the day] *There* is my God, Mr. Riddick!

The all-is-as-God-wills-it feel of the events was fairly powerful considering the movie it was in. The idea that God's will was done by a murderer who was active against God is a strong thing to put forward. Riddick wasn't merely an atheist, he was someone who rejected God because he believed.

KIZYR

Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:01 AM

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Originally posted by jhance11:
As I said earlier Wood is fine for building almost any ship until you get to A certain size and weight itls not that it would not float but the internal stress would make leaks springup all around the ship This was found to be true using computer aided design at Cal-tech

Noah's Ark is a problem. We'll have to call it 'early quantum state phenomenon'. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat.

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
The all-is-as-God-wills-it feel of the events was fairly powerful considering the movie it was in. The idea that God's will was done by a murderer who was active against God is a strong thing to put forward. Riddick wasn't merely an atheist, he was someone who rejected God because he believed.

Oh yeah... I mean, my personal beliefs on the universe are slightly different, but nonetheless I really did like that aspect of the movie.

I never saw the other (2?) Chronicles of Riddick. So they're no good, you say? KF

~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer

JHANCE11

Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:25 PM

Lets assume for A moment the boat itself is possible. Loading 5 amimals per second,365 days out of the year without A break, Having know record of this event found in the layers of the earth and the fact that all the rain in the clouds falling all at once could not cover all the landmasses(could not even come close) makes this story very implossable. Even if the story is an exageraion, does that envalidate God. Of coarse not. Gods wonder and complexity I believe will amaze us all. I think It will suprise those among us most, who claim to know him best

jhance11

CAPTKAR

Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:14 AM

If God can create the "Heavens and the Earth" in 7 days. Imbue a man with the power to part a river. Have the VIRGIN Mary give birth to his son who could; turn water into wine, cure any ailment even death itself, and be crucified found dead and resurect. Why could God not cover teh entire Earth with water? Is it that hard to have faith in this miracle, along with Noahs Ark?

You believe that Jesus is the Son Of God born of a virgin mother, walked the earth feeding five thousand people with scraps; causing a paralized man to walk, causing a blind man to see, and causing a dead man to rise, but you can't believe that the earth was miraculously covered in water?

I have no wish to pick a fight, and by no means do i have the intention of insulting you, please understand this. I just wish to hear your thoughts.

-When you can't run you crawl, and when you can't crawl you find someone to carry you-

ZOID

Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:44 AM

Hi, all!

I am a Christian.

I've been reading this thread for a while, and have been tempted to add my dos centavos, but have resisted the temptation pretty successfully 'til now. And I'm still not gonna hop on the soapbox here, because I believe loving the Lord and listening to His voice is the important thing, not the details. So, I'll neither tear down nor build up here.

christhecycnic wrote:

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...The people who would say this maintain that god is nondenominational and thus multiple religions are right, they believe that until it gets to the New Testament (and some say even then) the bible is an account only of the Jews and thus there were other "Edens" (other creations of other races) other arks (the other flood stories) and other such things.

These people are not well liked.

So, I take it you are one of these 'not liked' people?

I, myself, once got in a whole peck of trouble in Sunday School when confronted with the notion that no one could get to Heaven without visitation from the Holy Spirit and accepting the Lord as their personal savior. I asked, "So that means that all the Hawaiians who lived between Christ's death and Captain Cook's 'discovery' of the islands all went to Hell? I can't believe that. I can't believe God's love doesn't extend to everyone, even those who use a different name for Him than we do, and that they would all be doomed to eternal damnation regardless the character of their souls."

Well, I was only 14 or 15 at the time and this was a Southern Baptist church in the early 70's, so... Suffice to say, I had some 'splainin' to do [/ricky ricardo voice]. Ultimately -- to their credit -- I was taken to talk to the pastor, who was a great minister that I still think kindly of today. His explanation left a little to be desired, though. The capsulized version: Hawaiians and other geographically dispersed souls (i.e., Amerinds, Chinese, Eskimos, etc.) would either: a.) Somehow get the Spirit (and the Name, one presumes) on their own before their deaths; b.) Be seen as children and therefore exempt from judgement (meaning that after Cook brought them the Word, they began being accountable, so they needed to chuck their entire culture. Kind of a rough deal for the Hawaiians, being eternally assured of Heaven, right up until Cook damned them by bringing them the Word).

He didn't really seem that sure of his answer, which I figured was a good thing. Equivocation is good on the part of Christians, when it comes to judging the status of other peoples' souls. Some are too quick to damn others, in my personal experience. Me? I just love others as I do myself (better than, actually) and pray they find the Lord's hand in the darkness we all stagger through...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
It may show a complete lack of originality, but I still use that question on occasion whenever somebody gets on a real tear for their belief in Jesus, throwing around condemnation of those who believe anything different than those specific things that they do, even other Christians. You never saw the wheels come flying off so fast in your whole life. Most folk will stop to think about it, and stopping to reflect is a good thing. But if they're so hellbent on just believing without even questioning what they've been taught by men, they'll try to answer it from their particular dogma's script. And that's just really good for a laugh, especially when they start getting mad. Because you just know you can't get mad in the Lord; if you're mad, it ain't from Him.
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

JHANCE11

Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:37 PM

I believe in God and I believe there was A man named Jesus. A very wise,good and compasionate man.As for his divinity, I do'nt know. There are so many other people of differant religons,good and decent people whose faith does'nt have Jesus in it.and since the believers of Jesus's devinity will tell you the only was to heaven is through Jesus. That seems wrong and not the kind of compassion I would expect from the God I know. I may be wrong, but if I am I do;nt think I should be condemend for it.

jhance11

JHANCE11

Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:47 PM

Bravo and well and well said. The undertones of the statement "these people are not well liked" pretty much tell you where this is going. Common sense and logic is something rarely considered if it conflics with theology. Would A father punish A child who loved obeyed and respected him simply because he got A few directions wrong on the way to his house, I think not

jhance

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:47 PM

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Originally posted by MalforPresident:
I'm a huge firefly fan, that also happens to be a Christian. Now, just to clarify, I am not a "Simon and River burning" Christian. Just someone like the Shepherd, "spreading the light to whoever needs it". I wonder if there's any more out there like me? And also, any thoughts on the theological implications of firefly. Sorry if I'm getting too deep.

No, you're not getting too deep. In fact, I'm glad FIREFLY/SERENITY has such a broad based appeal. As per religion, I'm more like Mal in my views.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:39 PM

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Originally posted by CaptKar:
Have the VIRGIN Mary give birth to his son...

You really shouldn't put that under miracles.

Though once thought impossible warm blooded vertebrates can give birth without being impregnated, women can have Y chromosomes, and women with Y chromosomes can have functional wombs. From there it is a small step to put it all together and say that a woman with a Y chromosome having a functional womb randomly had a child without being impregnated, that child was a clone less one X chromosome (thus making an XXY female into an XY male), and all of it happened in the place prophesied.

Totally possible, just very unlikely in all possible ways. Very indicative of divine intervention but not exactly on the same level as changing water to wine.

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