Serenity AS Constitution?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 15:15
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CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:39 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pirate News, you have a theory?

DT, are you NUTS?!? Don't go visiting his long-winded ramblings unless you want this thread to end!!

Uh-oh, I hear him coming, gotta jet.

Skee-dadelling Chrisisall

PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:11 AM

the only problem with that is that most people in the united states know very little about the constitution, some know nothing so our constitution being killed is a real possiblity!!

PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:11 AM

double post

JUMPER

Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:54 AM

As far as I'm concerned, the America I grew up in died on 9/11.

The terrorists won. They got exactly what they wanted. We live in fear, in terror, a terror that is perpetuated by the media, the Administration, the Congress. The checks and balances in the government are breaking down as we allow our fear to blind us to what is really going on in DC.

We have an Executive branch that is convinced that it can do whatever it wants because Congress authrozied it to use force in a "war on terror" that they say will never end.

We have Americans held as 'enemy combatents' without legal representation, and the Supreme Court prevented from commenting on the issue.

Did you know that the law/federal regulation which states you need to show ID to get on an airplane is secret? Yes, we have secret laws that apply to American citizens, laws that none of us are allowed to inspect.

We have a Congress that is not willing to stand against these actions, and a court system which is unable to rule on the actions because they take place covertly.

The Founding Fathers never intended the Executive branch to have these powers.

There are bad people in the world. I accept that. I do not see it as a valid reason to make a single compromise in our freedoms. The moment that happens, they have won.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:51 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
As a conservative libertarian, and a Southerner too, I can identify w/ Mal's plight and the concept of letting folk do as they please, as long as they don't hinder or deprive anyone else of their freedom through force or fraud. Yet despite the yammerings of our personal freedoms being taken away, I simply don't see it.
AURaptor, thanks for that. That was a fine answer, a lot more to it that the "Because it's good" you gave me last time I posed the same question.
It seems the only place we differ is the perception of what is possible, and what is actually occurring concerning big government trying to control our lives, and it's role in planetary corporate domination.
I see Big Brother; you see Wally Cleaver

Time, as always, will tell.

Satisfied Chrisisall

I missed the 1st time you posed that question, so there was no intent on my part for any glib response I may have given. My bad. And that's exactly it, we DO differ greatly on our perceptions of what is going on. Or, as Obi Wan Kenobi says, truth depends greatly upon our point of view. I'm not naive enough to pretend that everything is hunky-dorie and that nothing could be better, but we're forced to take the best which is offered. Not always a good choice,

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:01 PM

Jumper, Jenny,

Well said.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:07 PM

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Did you know that the law/federal regulation which states you need to show ID to get on an airplane is secret? Yes, we have secret laws that apply to American citizens, laws that none of us are allowed to inspect.

I'm pretty sure that's an airline policy, and not a law. But then again, it's the airlines prerogative, so unless you want to charter your own flights, it doesn't matter.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:03 PM

And then there is media complicity. Apparently nobody has read 1984 by George Orwell or the phrase "permanent war for permanent peace" would leap into mind.

Auraptor- It's law, not airline policy. Just google: secret airline security law.

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Please don't think they give a shit.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:26 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Auraptor- It's law, not airline policy. Just google: secret airline security law.

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Please don't think they give a shit.

Since 9/11, and clearly things have changed. I stand corrected. For years, airlines would tell passengers they needed a photo ID to get on board, citing that it was the LAW, when in fact it wasn't, but only airline policy. They used the LAW excuse to avoid bad P.R. w/ the flying public. Now they can tell the public the truth.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:40 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
As a conservative libertarian, and a Southerner too, I can identify w/ Mal's plight and the concept of letting folk do as they please, as long as they don't hinder or deprive anyone else of their freedom through force or fraud. Yet despite the yammerings of our personal freedoms being taken away, I simply don't see it. Well, not any more than I saw under the previous Administration( Waco, Elian Gonzalez, for example ) ...in fact, far less so now.

I definitely don’t see Firefly as being Left-wing. I don’t see anything Left-wing about a guy who opposes a “progressive” (Joss’s word) Alliance and fights for his right to be the king in his own castle, instead of being another cog in a huge centralized political machinery.

And as far as rights being taken away, the last time any real rights were taken away from me, was when the Liberals on the Supreme Court voted away my property rights. It seems to me, that I don’t see a lot of outrage coming from Liberals over that, but they certainly love to preach doom and gloom about hypothetical or theoretical losses of rights. This makes me believe that the “rights” that these Liberals claim are being lost is just a stunt to attack an administration they don’t like. In fact, I think there are many Liberals who simply don't realize what Liberalism is.

Do you suppose Mal would have been for or against the government taking the power to disavow him Serenity if it suited the “greater good?”

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

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