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JHANCE11

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:27 PM

You brng us to point in discusions like these that is the main reason they end in stalmate. I find it much to easy when A problem presents itself to say " well God can do anything and that's why I'm right" Granted I also fall on the side of God's omnipitance, however god's created the law's of physic's and we and perhaps even he ca'nt completely ignore them. Case in point A world wide flood of the magnitued would have left A record in the grould itself in the layers upon layer of dirt and sediment men have looked for ages(Believers and non-believers alike) and still not found any such evidence.
Regardless, I assume since you identified yourself as an evangelical Christian.YOur belief is none may find Heaven except through Jesus and the bible is to be taken literally. If those statements are true, Try for A moment to understand why so many good, wise and Godfearing people would be condemed simply because their belief system.( probably taught to them as A child) Was not accuate or missed A few things.......Not to much sense there to me. thank you for your response

jhance11

CARTOON

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:28 PM

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Originally posted by jhance11:
My faith is unshaken by the accuracy or lack of it in the bible. My personel belief is the people and events in the scriptures have A basis of thruth that has been embelished upon by preists and storytellers down through the years and have found evidence to support this theory.

Hi. Liked your post and found it very interesting.

If I may, I'd just like to point something out about the verity of the events as portrayed in scripture, without going into a lengthy discourse on the Biblical manuscripts.

Underscoring the authenticity of the Old Testament as the true and inspired word of God, all but only a handful of the books of the Old Testament are quoted directly in the New Testament. Only seven books of the Hebrew Old Testament are not quoted or referred to in the New Testament. Eleven are quoted by Christ, Himself.

As the Old Testament in use today is virtually identical to the Old Testament in Jesus's day, and the Lord accepted the Scriptures of that day as the true and inspired word of God, I have to ask myself -- "Do I believe that Jesus was the holy, perfect, inerrant Son of God?" If I answer "yes" (and I do), then I have to consider that Jesus accepted those scriptures as the inerrant Word of God. If Jesus was God (as I believe He is), then certainly He would know.

Jesus criticized the religious leaders of His day where their "traditions of men" had added to or taken away from God's word, but He never criticized the Hebrew canon of Scripture -- which, contrarily, He endorsed as the perfect word of God.

Just some food for thought.

JHANCE11

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:33 PM

The scope seems impossible, but to say the story has no basis, would be presumtive. there is A very old story in ancient Mesapotamia which Identifies with the story of noah of A much smaller boat built for trade and was swept of during an incredible storm, it was swept all the way sown the Jordan river and out to sea. landing finally on A completely differant continant. As I say it is my belief the story in the Bible are based on truth they have simply been embelished upon and stretch far beyond the original version. thank you for responding

jhance11

JHANCE11

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:39 PM

An excellant point and well made.Here's A little curnal to chew on as well. If you'll remeber in the New testimate, Jesus was asked what must A man do to find Heaven.His response mirrored A few points of the Old Testimate but very few.(give A look) Thank for responding

jhance11

CARTOON

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by jhance11:
Try for A moment to understand why so many good, wise and Godfearing people would be condemed simply because their belief system.( probably taught to them as A child) Was not accuate or missed A few things.......Not to much sense there to me. thank you for your response

Hi, again.

From man's point of view, your assessment (above) makes total sense. However, from God's point of view (as related in the Bible), there's a fatal flaw. In God's point of view, none of us are good. We all need the free gift of salvation, which cannot be attained by works of "good deeds".

God can't be brown-nosed by our attempts at "good" behavior. In His eyes, one sin makes us as guilty as fifty billion sins. According to His word, all need the free gift of salvation -- whether they're the nicest person you've ever met or the most depraved serial killer.

And this makes sense (at least to me). For if salvation could be earned, why did the Lord require the sacrifice of His Son in our place, if we could save ourselves? Would seem like a terrible waste of His time (and blood) to me.

Enjoy your posts.

CARTOON

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:48 PM

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Originally posted by jhance11:
If you'll remeber in the New testimate, Jesus was asked what must A man do to find Heaven.His response mirrored A few points of the Old Testimate but very few.(give A look) Thank for responding

Of course.

Makes perfect sense.

By His own admission, Jesus had not come to change the law (OT), but fulfill it.

Christianity doesn't displace Judiasm, it IS Judiasm fulfilled. Abraham told Isaac that God, Himself, would provide a lamb for the sacrifice -- which He did (not just at Mt. Moriah with an actual lamb at that moment in history), but with the Lamb of God on the cross, about 2,000 years later.

As the NT points out, the Law of the OT was never meant as a means to salvation, but to show us how impossible it was for us to please God in our own efforts -- which pointed to the gift of grace which would wipe away the stain of sin for those who received it.

J. Vernon McGee once had a good analogy. He said that when you look in a mirror and see that your face is dirty, what do you do? Do you rub your face against the mirror to clean it? No. You wash it with water and soap. God's law is the mirror to show us we're dirty, but it can't clean us. For that, we need water -- which God provided through the blood of His Son.

Again, I like your posts. Very refreshing discussion.

JHANCE11

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:57 PM

Well Said and well done.

jhance11

CARTOON

Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:19 PM

I'm sorry. After I posted, I thought of one more thing which I find incredible, regarding Christianity being a fulfillment of Judiasm.

Zola Levitt pointed this out, and (in my opinion), it's uncanny.

The Lord gave Moses a command that Israel was to observe seven feast days. Each of those 7 feast days point to something which would later be fulfilled in the redemption of mankind. The thing I find amazing (which Zola Levitt has pointed out), is that of the 7 feast days, 4 of them have already been fulfilled (with 3 remaining to be fulfilled). Of the 4 which have been fulfilled, the event which fulfilled the intended meaning of the feast, was actually fulfilled on the EXACT DAY of the actual feast (as prescribed by the Lord to Moses).

Feast #1: Passover. Jesus was crucified on the feast of Passover -- as the true passover Lamb. Those Israelites who had the blood of the lamb sprinkled on their doorposts, were passed over by the Angel of Death. Likewise, Jesus's blood sprinkled onto the hearts of those who receive His free gift, are passed over from God's judgment.

Feast #2: Unleavened Bread. Jesus was buried on the feast of Unleavened Bread. Leaven represents "sin" in the Bible. Jesus was the "unleavened" (without sin) sacrifice who paid the penalty for those who would receive Him (He was buried, after dying -- paying the penalty we deserved).

Feast #3: Firstfruits. Jesus rose from the dead on the feast of First Fruits. Jesus was the "first fruits" of redemption -- the first to be raised with an incorruptible body which would never again die.

Feast #4: Weeks (also called Harvest or Pentecost). Jesus ascended into heaven on the feast of Weeks (which is exactly 50 days after the feast of First Fruits). Harvest represents the harvest or ingathering, on which Jesus was gathered back up to heaven.

Feasts #5 through #7 haven't yet been fulfilled, but it's curious as to what they represent, and what hasn't yet happened (but is prophesized to happen in the NT).

Feast #5: Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah). Can you think of any (as of yet) unfulfilled prophesy which involves the blowing of trumpets?

Feast #6: Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). Final atonement -- judgment?

Feast #7: Tabernacles (also called "Booths" or "Ingathering"). The revealing of the new heaven and the new earth?

Makes a lot of sense to me.

PRINCESSROHANNEN

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:25 PM

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Originally posted by Nandifan:
...I know plenty of Christians who spend a lot of time trying to change my moral stance, and maybe non-Christians just automatically get their defenses up because people are always trying to convert them to religion....

I've noticed that the tactics, language, and enthusiasm that Browncoats use to convert others to this 'verse are the same ones that Christians may use to point others toward faith in Jesus. But the similarity ends there. In our society it seems that Christians are supposed to just sit quietly and restrain themselves from any attempt to impose their beliefs. Yet Browncoats probably don't spend too much time worrying about whether others really want to be saved from the darkness of reality TV and the hopeless despair of endless "CSI" and "Law & Order" spinoffs. Browncoats try to evangelize everyone because they feel that what they've found is truly better, and they want to share the good news.

An excellent point.

JHANCE11

Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:38 PM

Some does some does not. but then again, there is much that probably is not supposed to make sense.At least not right now. Watched an interesting program on the discovery channel last night. 7 differant archiologist and scientist believe they have found the first born son of Ramsies, Of course you know that name. The son of coarse being the one killed by the angel of death sent by God, the final of the great plagues. The evidence is not all in yet but A large hole was discovered in the back of his skull. too large and to deep to have been A small accident. It was determend the trauma happed before the time death not after. This brings about the possibility the son was killed by murder of A much more mundane method. Notice I said the possibility, there is much more to learn. If it is true however the ramifications could be profound. Thanks again

jhance11

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