A Christians perspective

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WINDWALKER

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:31 PM

Nope. I mean no harm to any of my browncoat brethren
I'm just spontaneous
I post things just for laughs

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

CARTOON

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:52 PM

You know, if I was smart (no wise-cracks, please), I'd have gone in and edited out the last line of my previous post -- 'cause, wouldn't you know it, the minute after I hit "post my response" and the page finally loads (takes about 3 days with dial-up), I see Queen has returned with another of her infamously-invisible posts.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
The curse words I agree with you. (snip)

Oh dear. The sky's falling! Queen and I have agreed!! Better run for the shelters, folks.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
However, I can only think of one person I know who never swears. And I know a lot of people. So, to me, a story full of a bunch of people who never ever swear would be a bit unrealistic.

Oh, that's too bad. It's just the opposite with me. Although, I've seen it (and been around it) both ways, but to say that not using them is unrealistic, well, that depends who you're hanging around with.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
As a side note - do you just count taking the Lord's name in vain as a curse word? Or do you include man-made swears in that too? Just curious.

Good question. I don't like any curse words, but general curses won't generally (in and of themselves) keep me from going to see a film I otherwise want to see (see the "Hollywood sucks" thread for more details about the lengthy process I go through in order to determine which films to see and which film to ignore if you're particularly curious. If not, just ignore this whole paragraph.). However, I find blasphemy and profanity far more egregious, and that alone will keep me from going to see a film I otherwise would've gone to see.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Now, as for the immorality thing, I agree with you that it shouldn't be glorified.

Oh dear. This won't do at all. Agreeing with me twice in one thread. Surely, the law's of nature prohibit this. Someone please look it up and let me know.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
However,

I just knew there had to be a "however" in there somewhere...

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
I don't think Inara's immorality really is.

Well, we have to agree to disagree on this one. Unless, of course, you'd prefer to disagree about agreeing. There's no way I can honestly look at someone (anyone, male or female) who has physical relations with someone other than their spouse as "moral". Am I saying that I'm pefect? Heck, no. I've expressed many of my billions of faults throughout these forums for anyone who wishes to dig up any dirt on me. But, falling into sin on occasion (or with great frequency, as in my case) and repenting of it, isn't the same as someone who choses it as a lifestyle.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
That's my opinion anyway. But you're entitled to yours. I swear I won't kill you with my brain.

Oh.

I was actually looking forward to that. Oh well. Guess I'll have to find another way out of this thread.

(Was tempted to use "The girl's a problem" line I sometimes close with, but thought that Queen may think I was referring to her.)

"You think we should be usin' my fame to hoodwink folks?"

(There, that's much better.)

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:04 PM

Well, I was gonna post a bunch more stuff arguing with you, Cartoon, but since you want out of this thread, I'll be merciful and leave you alone.

By the way, I agree with people very rarely. So you should feel really special about that.

And also, you have dial-up?? I feel terribly sorry for you.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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GIZMO

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by misbehavin:
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Originally posted by MalforPresident:
I'm a huge firefly fan, that also happens to be a Christian. Now, just to clarify, I am not a "Simon and River burning" Christian. ...also, any thoughts on the theological implications of firefly...

I'm a born-again Christian. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that God created everything as described in Genesis. Unlike River, I don't see Noah's Ark as a problem, but I wouldn't burn her for disagreeing with me on that point! While I love the entire Firefly 'verse, I don't really look for any theological implications in it, just as I don't look to Hollywood to confirm my faith. Joss is a creative genius and I marvel at his talent, and feel that in his vision for Firefly he's probably correct that we are the only sentient beings here. He's commented that the idea behind Serenity was that there is no clear good and evil and that the idea of sin is outmoded. On that I must disagree, but I still love Firefly!

I'm Catholic, and everything up there fits my views. I'm a total Browncoat, too. I don't think people like Jayne stand as examples of how to live, but I love the characters. Of course, I also like seeing moments where characters do stick to morals, such as Wash when Saffron starts coming on to him in "Our Mrs. Reynolds." He starts talking about how much he loves Zoe, forcing Saffron to try something else. Hilarious, painful, but hey, it's part of what I love about Wash.

History abhors a paradox.
-Kain

CARTOON

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Well, I was gonna post a bunch more stuff arguing with you, Cartoon, but since you want out of this thread, I'll be merciful and leave you alone.

You can argue with me privately if it suits your fancy. Just don't wanna' bore the folks or make this thread a 3,000-poster.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
By the way, I agree with people very rarely. So you should feel really special about that.

Uh, "special"?!?!? In a good way, or a bad way?

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
And also, you have dial-up?? I feel terribly sorry for you.

Probably the reason why my notions seem so antiquated, Queen. By the time I post them, years and years have gone by.

"Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:29 PM

Special in a good way, natch. I don't agree with unintelligent people, even if they happen to be right.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

Like books? Go to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
to find out how to buy mine!

NANDIFAN

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:07 AM

I don't think Inara cared for the attitudes of the leaders of the Companion Guild. When Nandi in "Hearts of Gold" points out that the guild told the other companions to not speak to her, Inara basically said they could kiss her butt! I think Inara really just has a lot of love to give, and doesn't like being told who to love. On a personal note, if I knew more Christians like you, MalforPresident, I would have more faith in the religion. I hope that doesn't offend you, but the only Christians I have known spit on me (literally) because I was born of out wedlock. You seem like a really great person!

NANDIFAN

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:12 AM

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Originally posted by PrincessRohannen:
I wonder why it is that so many people automatically start to get defensive and antagonistic the moment a word like "morality" is thrown into a conversation?

And why are there so many here on this board trying to force a relativistic view of morality on those of us who happen to believe that right and wrong are absolute?

Some of us believe that right and wrong change relative to one's experience and situation. ("To understand all is to forgive all," as someone once said.) Others among us believe that right is right and wrong is wrong no matter what.

I happen to fall into the second camp, but I'd like to clarify: In no way am I implying that anyone is a "bad person." From my perspective, we all do things that are "wrong". I am not here to pass judgement. In fact, I believe that condemning another person for his or her shortcomings is "wrong".

What blows my mind is that there are so many people on this board who think that they're actually going to be able to convince someone to drop his or her stance on morality.

There is no empirical evidence that can prove that morality is absolute. There is also no empirical evidence that can prove that morality is relative.

Accusing someone of being narrow-minded or naive isn't going to do anything except raise emotional levels and drown out open discussion.

Not to start an argument, because I don't want to, but your question here can go both ways. I know plenty of Christians who spend a lot of time trying to change my moral stance, and maybe non-Christians just automatically get their defenses up because people are always trying to convert them to religion.

USMC

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:41 AM

Wow! I remember when this thread started, i was hoping it would die, but it not, lol. Some of you people scare the crap out of me with all this religious stuff. I do not believe in a higher power, could care less if others do or not, but some of you folks with your strong opinions remind me of those religious freaks who tried to burn River at the stake in the episode 'Safe. Have your beliefs and opinions, but do not argue with those who do not believe the same as you. Mal shot that bastard on the crashed ship cuz that is the way it was written. There is no conspiracy to upset all the passive and religious fans. I love you guys and girls : )

INFAMOUSX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:01 AM

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Originally posted by cartoon:

And as a brief matter of explanation, it's not that the Companion is simply there (a part of the show) that bothers me -- but that the whole show seems to be condoning (even glorifying) a behavior which I firmly believe to be wrong.

No offense, but did the fact that Mal constantly calls Inara a whore, and condemns her work, escape your attention? Maybe Joss and/or certain characters condone the activity, maybe not, but it ain't like the views of the other side are silent.

On a completely different subject mentioned above, I too have problems with Noah and his Ark, like River. I do believe Jesus was the son of God, one way or another, but I also believe Mohammed was his prophet. You could say I'm a follower of historical religiosity; the books were written by fallable men long after the events they describe, and should be understood as such, but that don't mean they don't hold valuable truths and history.

Ain't sayin' I'm right though, even though I know I am.

I wish I could write well enough to write about aircraft.
-Ernest Hemingway

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