Mal and his people are just low-life thieves...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 14:32
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Yeah, but they're our low-life theives!
Re: the Lassiter - remember Saffron's story about the guy getting all his stuff during the war? Whether her story was true, or not, the Alliance connection was there for the crew.
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Ain't. We. Just.
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Quote:Exactly! Not the actions of career criminals.
Originally posted by KSC:
Id say that line is smack dab in the middle of The Train Job. Returning the medical supplies to those in need, and knowing full well the repercussions from Niske...
Or when Mal was trying to talk the guard into more than a graze (in Serenity), for his own good! A real crook wouldn't give a care, he'd just shoot him or not and be on his merry.
Bad Guy Chrisisall
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Hmm....I can answer this with a quote.
"Mercy is the mark of a great man."
*poke*
"Guess that just makes me a good one."
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Originally posted by FollowMal:
Our crew are BDH's, shaped by their times and I'm proud to admire them. I would want to know them in real life.
" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal
Let me clarify: I love these people. I'd follow my captain straight into the gaping mouth of hell.
But just because we like this crew doesn't make them "good guys." Sometimes the job, whatever it is, hurts the Alliance in a small way. Sometimes the crew does heroic things.
But never do they go looking for heroic things to do. Never do they go on the hunt for innocents to protect. Never do they go looking for a way to irritate the Alliance. Any of that would be impractical and dangerous. This crew looks out for each other. Period.
Any heroism is purely accidental.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Exactly! Not the actions of career criminals.
Originally posted by KSC:
Id say that line is smack dab in the middle of The Train Job. Returning the medical supplies to those in need, and knowing full well the repercussions from Niske...
Or when Mal was trying to talk the guard into more than a graze (in Serenity), for his own good! A real crook wouldn't give a care, he'd just shoot him or not and be on his merry.
Bad Guy Chrisisall
Some good points here. I wonder how many headaches Whedon gave himself trying to come up with just the right blend of compassion and callousness for Mal?
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Quote:But then, real heroes never do, do they? They just do what is right to the best of their ability when the time comes.
Originally posted by PrincessRohannen:
But never do they go looking for heroic things to do.
I've conversed with more than one real hero right on this board over the last few months. And none thought themselves particularly 'heroic', they were just doing what needed to be done.
Heroes.
Costume not mandatory Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:But then, real heroes never do, do they? They just do what is right to the best of their ability when the time comes.
Originally posted by PrincessRohannen:
But never do they go looking for heroic things to do.
I've conversed with more than one real hero right on this board over the last few months. And none thought themselves particularly 'heroic', they were just doing what needed to be done.
Heroes.
Costume not mandatory Chrisisall
Well, Spider-man goes looking for heroic things to do. Innocents to save, etc. I guess I just don't want to start calling them actual heroes because that would make them ... typical. And Firefly is so unique.
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Hmm..
IF Mal wanted, he could live an honest life, have an honest job. He could attempt to change the Alliance system in a legal way from within. (Which would be the truly heroic thing.)
He chooses not to. I don't think there is anything particularly heroic about that, per se.
Thieving is thieving, even if it is from the Alliance. It's only cool in a juvenile, break all rules, rebel without a clue kind of way.
Arguing with the guard where to shoot him to make it look like he fought back... that's still him injuring an innocent man. Killing Crow wasn't strictly necessary, it was preventative murder. Stealing medicine from an Alliance hospital may not have been immediately harmful, but it's still not good, not to mention attacking that doctor in the hospital who was only doing his job by checking out suspicious-acting "paramedics".
He IS a violent, petty thief by choice. There is not much in the way of moral high ground there.
Not hurting innocents.. if that's the standard for heroism, then ouch.
I like him in spite of it. Not because of it. It makes him a layered character.
A hero? Not so much.
What he did in Serenity was heroic. Sheltering River. Defending the whores in "Heart of Gold". The kind of thing that involves sacrifice rather than mere cunning.
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Like cowboys on earth of old, they rob, steal, and fight. But they live by their own code of morals, adn they don't cross that line. Cowboys are given a bad rap by holywood nowadays, and I think the peeps who like the movies that give em a bad rap are the same that say these arent heros. They arent saints, thats for sure, but they are heros. Hero's are not always fancy knights on chargers, set to make all ends good. In fact I wouldn't like being near a hero like that, cause it seems to me when someone sets out to make the world better, they often turn it worse. No a true hero is someone who says, this is whats right, and I'm going to fight for it. Not because I want a happy ending, though I do, not because I want glory, but because its whats right to do, its what needs to be done, and someone has to do it. Sums Mal up right pritty to me.
If you play Nationstates.net check out the region Firefly.
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I think that question was answered definitively in "The Train Job".
SHERIFF
You were truthful back in town. These are tough
times. If a man can get a job, he might not look
too close at what that job is. But a man learns
all the details of a situation like ours, well,
then he has a choice.
MAL
I don't believe he does.
They're basically moral people living as best they can without harming anyone else's life who isn't harming or trying to harm them.
Laugh while you can, monkey-boy.
If I were you, I'd run!
If you were me, you'd be good-looking
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