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CHRISISALL

Monday, January 2, 2006 1:16 AM

Bush:
...and that movie, Serendipity...

Cheney:
Serenity.

Bush:
Uh, right, I think it's dangerous. It portrays governments as being underhanded and sometimes a direct peril to the people. Some might draw parallels to my administration and it's handling of Katrina. I don't like this Jost guy, I tell ya!

Cheney:
Joss.

Bush:
Whatever! I say he's a threat!!

Cheney:
Enhance your calm, G. Most will see it as just a silly action-adventure. Heck, I'm down with that, myself.
I really liked when the ship was in that tailspin, and Wash pulled her-

Bush:
You mean, there is no relevancy to it, no 'message'?

Cheney:
Bro, there's weighty shit in it, but it'll soar like a leaf over the public's heads.
Many of the so-called Browncoats won't even get it, heh heh.

Bush:
Hey Dick, you coat has sorta a brownish colour to it...

Cheney:
I only seen Serenity twice.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 12:29 AM

Hero, please comment; I'm feeling needy again.

Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 5:01 AM

Cute, but I don't see how you can really draw any parallels between the movie and current day politics.

The Alliance was actually benefitting from the fear induced by the Reavers to increase it's own stranglehold on the border worlds. The Browncoats attempt to convince people that the Alliance actually created the Reavers in the first place will never be believed.

In fact, the Alliance will probably just use the videos broadcast by Mal as proof that they need to step up the war against the Independents. They're clearly aligned with the Reavers and are financing their raids to disgrace the Alliance. But.. oh, wait. The war's over. Mission accomplished. hmmmm

That's a totally different situation than current daily headlines.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 6:26 PM

Just the general ability of any government to f**k up and get people killed, then blame it on something or someone else...

When it comes out how Aids was MADE, it'll cause quite a shock (momentary as it might be...).

AND the real reason David Karesh had to die in Waco,
AND how many innocent shanty town dwellers around Noriega's palace were killed by our stealth fighter,
AND how we trained Contras in Nicaragura to torture publically to sway opinion against the Sandanistas,
AND how-
I could go on and on, but Mal said it best: "Half of writing history is hiding the truth."

Chrisisall, in Reaver madness

LIMINALOSITY

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 9:41 PM

Oh, good, I can get in on this one before you all start putting in links with flashie thingies about lakeside resorts for psy-ops R&D. Those flashie thingies disturb my calm.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
When it comes out how Aids was MADE, it'll cause quite a shock (momentary as it might be...).
Waco,
Noriega
Contras
AND how-

*notices a multitude of Chrisnanos scuttling around the site... wonders if they're self-replicating*

But, but, Chris, all of this is already out, and look, hardly a ripple...except in places like this where people wear their sunglasses at night. There are plenty of other kinds of flashie thingies at the mall to keep people distracted too.

I almost wish some fan would accidentally find Joss' reading list floating down the sidewalk. I'll bet there's more on his mind than books about the Civil War.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by liminalosity:
But, but, Chris, all of this is already out, and look, hardly a ripple...

I wouldn't say it's all OUT exactly, you have to care enough to do some exaustive digging, but I admit, I put a lot of credence into many Conspiracy Therories, and even if only 1/10 of the ones I think are true are true, that's a recipe for unpleasantness washed over right there.
Any who enjoy Joss' work have to understand part of his message of vigilance concerning the powers that be, if not, well then, that would be like me grooving to The Passion Of Christ 'cause of it's cool use of ancient language, and awsomely bloody whipping scene...in other words, I'd be missing a BIG point or two.

Chrisisall, just a terrifying space monkey in the wrench

ADDED:*notices a multitude of Chrisnanos scuttling around the site... wonders if they're self-replicating*
It's actually a tiny alien machine race that worships me trying to make me omnipresent- go figure.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 12:12 AM

Chris-what nows?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 1:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Chris-what nows?

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Laboured mechanical breather Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 1:06 AM

Don't be so proud of this technological terror you've constructed... the ability to spread Chrisnanos is insignificant next to the power of the Farce.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 1:18 AM

Citizen, I think you take this entire very important discussion far too lightly!

Chrisisall Barris

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 2:51 AM

Joss' Deep Thoughts of Serenity

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originally posted by Liminalosity:
I almost wish some fan would accidentally find Joss' reading list floating down the sidewalk. I'll bet there's more on his mind than books about the Civil War.

"The great thing about writing science fiction is that it's basically like writing about everything in history that interests you... A leader, by nature, has to be something of a monster... The insane optimism of the (Commie Chinese-USA) Alliance... The idea that TVs are watching you while you watch it, we are not very far off from... They tried to kill us. They did kill us. At what point does this stop being CPR and become necrophilia?"
-Joss W, STM DVD

Select to view spoiler:

"Half of writing history is hiding the truth."
-Mal, STM

"It means an Operative... That's trouble you've not known.... They'll come at you sideways. That's how They think, that's how They move. Sidle up with a smile. Hit you where you're weak. That sort of man is hard. Kills and never asks why."
-Shepherd Book (Alliance Operative, retired, in fear of assassination by Alliance "to keep his official secrets secret"), STM

"It's worse than you know."
-The Operative (Commie MI6/CIA), STM
"It usually is."
-Mal, STM

"I don't murder children."
-Mal, STM
"I do, if I have to. I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no allusions about that but it must be done. You will never understand how...
-The Operative (Commie MI6/CIA), STM

Yes, FF&STM are deep thoughts from history and current events, cloaked in sci-fi invisibility. A very powerful weapon of mass instruction, or mass deception. That's why I love it, because I don't have to suspend disbelief on the political/criminal part of the script. (Too bad about the bogus space physics ignoring nuke radiation, which sci-fi movie industry spends billions of dollars to lie about.) Even Joss's use of serial-killing mass-murdering fem-fatale heros is supported in history. Russian women were drafted as snipers in WW2. History Channel interviewed one old grandma sniper with 350 kills of Nazi Germany's best soldiers and snipers, during the Battle of Moscow.

River's MPD/DID is straight from the declassified files of CIA's MKULTRA Project Monarch kidnapping and torture of children (rescued like River: Cathy O'Brien's "Trance Formation of America", and "The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave" by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler). That's why Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire (CIA/MI6) bought Serinity The Movie, via military Carlyle Group's aquisition of Universal Studios.

FF is owned by Foxy Australian Sir Rupert Murdock "Jewish" Knight of the British Empire (MI6). Fox killed FF's Serenity The Pilot, and sabotaged the series, and the reasons are blatantly obvious when you read history. Way to go Joss, for trying to slam dunk the NWO with this cautionary tale of the Commie Chinese hostile takeover of USSA for the "British" Empire (that invented "Jewish" Communism/Soviet Socialism and "Jewish" fascism/National Socialism, and seized control of China - and the heroin market - in the Opium Wars).

So is Joss' dream of revealing history to the sleeping sheeple now hijacked by the NWO shadow gov't, as a $40-million weapons system, if only to spin the greatest sin? Beware the full-time pro phloggers employed by CIA/MI6, waging war against USA on the front lines of the propaganda blogs of war...

Select to view spoiler:

STM's conclusion that CIA assassins CAN be deprogrammed with mere uncensored news of reality of Gangsta Govt is a very hopeful message. I personally helped convict a US gov't hitman assassin for his second murder, but CIA got him released on parole 3 years early, CIA got the prosecutor fired, and now the drug-dealing CIA assassin with a false passport works inside that same prosecutor's office as a salaried "confidential informant" with immunity from prosecution. So I REALLY hope Joss is right, that this CIA assassin will read my websites and watch my TV show, and join the side of Constitutional

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 3:41 AM

Fruity Oaty Bars - Don't do it!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

LIMINALOSITY

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 3:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
kidnapping, rape, torture and * * * * by CIA * kingpin * * * * George Bush Sr

Oh, Honey, the drama.
You might get better hearing if you deleted a few of those incendiary expletives and let the bare truth shine through.

"Morbid and creepifying I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."

LIMINALOSITY

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 4:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I wouldn't say it's all OUT exactly, you have to care enough to do some exaustive digging

Footage of Waco was appallingly obvious as far as what was going on with the tank slamming it's nose into the building, and...exploding...the rest of the cases you site here were covered by the regular old media. The trouble with these examples isn't that they weren't out there, it was the spin applied to the telling, which helps it slide right on by the viewer.

Many of the links in your Reavers 2.0 thread were of a different order that requires lots of spadework. I don't generally put an abundance of trust in those with the power to effect anything their hearts desire, so it gets more challenging all the time to figure how much of this is real. Even if 1% of it is real, that's too dang much that shouldn't be happening. And thanks for the spadework, Sam.
*puts the sunglasses back on her nose*

Quote:
It's actually a tiny alien machine race that worships me trying to make me omnipresent- go figure.

"I'm sorry if she tipped off anyone about your cunningly concealed herd of cows."

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 5:43 AM

Waco is Crawford...

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Footage of Waco was appallingly obvious as far as what was going on with the tank slamming it's nose into the building, and...exploding

I especially like the US flag waving from the tanks as psycho Big Brother incinerated the church with the people inside, just like the British Empire did to US churches in the Revolutionary British Civil War of 1776. Only insane people would be proud of that Police State genocide. I'm sure many "Jews" were cheering, since the Talmud declares Rabbi "Jesus" is drowning in burning excrement for eternity for the crime of blasphemy, which requires that "Jews" murder all "Christians". The Waco church practiced British Israelism, so they flew a flag of "Jewish" Star of Soloman, the ultimate blasphemy to Zionist "Jews". Bill Clinton-Blythe IV (Rockefeller), Janet Reno (transexual), General Wesley Clark (UN/NATO commander at Fort Hood in Waco), Louis Free (Waco Report) are all "Jewish". FBI director Bill Sessions was a former city councilman in Waco. Why in the world would CT-born Skull & Boner Bush Jr build his fake ranch (no cows, no farming) and bunker in Waco/Crawford, unless he is proud of the Waco Massacre? "George Bush" is the name of a famous "Jew" in Revolutionary War...

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Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, AND ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
—Merriam Webster Dictionary

"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (Arab-American from Lebannon), Independnet Reform Party presidential candidate in 2004, ex-Green Party presidential candidate
in 2000, Arab-American Business conference, C-SPAN, 2003

Note that "Jews" are not Jews from "Israel", and patriotic American Jewish rabbis declare that Zionist Israel has no right to exist. Many patriot American Jewish doctors, like Dr Len Horowitz and Dr Henry Makow, warn the world about the evil "Jewish" Luciferian New World Order global shadow dictatorship to merge "Jewish" Communism and "Jewish" fascism, under control of the "Jewish" Rothschilds and Rockefellers. Jews Ron Rosenbaum and Dr Mark David Rigg reported on History Channel and CSPAN that Adolf Hitler Shicklegruber was a Rothschild "Jew" (heir to half the world's wealth, including the US "govt" via Rothschild ownership of Federal Reserve Bankster Corp that counterfeits all US "dollar bill" Federal Reserve Notes). Many Jews renounce Judaism and worship Rabbi "Jesus" (Messianic Christians). That's the Sino-Anglo Alliance Joss is talking about - the NWO shadow gov't owned by Luciferian "Jewish" banksters that controls USA, UK, Commie Russia, Commie China and every other nation on Earth. Patriotic Jews stage large protest rallies in USA against Israel, but the "Jewish" media mafia censores that video from the "news".
http://JewsAgainstZionism.com

"Waco Rules of Engagement" showed uncensored video of the US/UN armies firing machine guns on full-auto as they rolled out of Bush/Carlyle's Bradley Fighting Vehicles, and entered the church through walls knocked down by the tanks, or fired full-auto machine guns from Bell military helicopter gunships. It showed a bomb crater where they liquified the children hiding in the concrete cellar. Photos showed FBI infantry soldiers in BDU military combat gear holding their M-16s, proudly standing on the skulls and bones of 80 genocided Christians.

Same thing is happening every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, where 50,000 US troops were killed, and 500,000 US troops disabled, to genocide 1.6-million Iraqis and turn off the supply of cheap oil to USA (80% of Alaskan oil is exported to Japan, Mexico and Commie China, with most of the oil just pumped right back into the wells, which are refilling automatically anyway). Last month, Bush's Iraqi dictatorship raised t

CENTURYHOUSE

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 5:59 AM

I understand that people can freely post what they will here, and besides I'm a newbie. But I can tell you this from past forum experiences - nothing is more divisive and harmful to the unity of a 'cause' like this fanbase, than attacking the politics of some of the members.

You will turn new members away with deliberately divisive threads like this one. While you have the freedom to post whatever, I hope you will instead opt for something that unites rather than devides and drives others away.

I'm not a big Bush fan, but I have grown really tired of being places where certain members feel the need to take cheap political potshots and thrust them in other member's faces and I won't be around long if this is one of those places. I represent other potential newcomers as well.

Do as you will, it's a free place. But at least consider this as food for thought if you really care about 'the cause' and uniting rather than deviding.

Check out my songs:
http://www.thelightningwaltz.com

CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 9:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PirateNews:
psycho Big Brother

Now there's something I agree with. How the hell is that show still going?

Centuryhouse:
Do you go to political forums a lot and tell people to stop talking about politics?

Seriously this section, the RWED is segragated from the rest of the site for a reason, I kinda thought it was obvious, but oh well...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 3:10 PM

Quote:

Check out my songs:
thelightningwaltz.com

Centuryhouse:
Do you go to political forums a lot and tell people to stop talking about politics?

Seriously this section, the RWED is segragated from the rest of the site for a reason, I kinda thought it was obvious, but oh well...

Good point, nothin personal, it's just polyticks (many blood-sucking creatures). Songs are powerful tools for mind kontrol or deprogramming. Songs that say nothing important are important tools for mind kontrol, too, since they dissociate the listener into oblivion. That's why I compose music and music videos as weapons of mass instruction, and won "Best Music Video" in Hollywood in 2005. I challenge all artists to wage war with music, like Eminim's Mosh and Jadakiss' Why (both blamed Bush for perping 9/11 - then were purchased by Bush/Carlyle/Universal), or Sir Mick Jagger Knight of the British Empire (who blamed Bush for 9/11 then lost a million dollars when CIA called in bomb threat to close his concert).

Joss had his latest BTVS/ATVS convention in my evil hometown, essentially relocating the Sunnyvale Hellmouth to a city with a grave-robbing Skull & Bones mayor who worships Nazi Swastikas (a traditional "Jewish" logo) and eats off Adolf Hitler's silverware with his fellow cheerleader and coffinmate at all-male Yale, Georgie Bush Junior.

The national TV and newspaper cartel HQed in this town, Scripps-Howard, is owned by members of Satanic Bohemian Grove presidential retreat and homosexual nudist colony for snuff kiddie porn, where the Bushes, Cheneys, Clintons and Rockefellers vacation every year together for two weeks in June on the Summer Solstice, and perform "mock" child sacrifice to a 50-foot-tall stone idol of Molech (caught on videotape at Infowars.com ).

Trust me when I say it's not glamourous living in a Hellmouth, where Psycho Big Brother gives us the worst air pollution in the nation, with INTENTIONAL nuke radiation releases of TONS of uranium from the nuke bomb factories, which blows downwind for 100 miles.

We are also world HQ for the "Jewish" Mishpucka Mafiya's tow-trucking car-theft, garbage and nuke waste cartel, which steals cars in USA and blows them up in car bombs in Iraq to kill US troops and blame the Arab-Semites, according to FBI.

We are also HQ for Controlled Demolitions Inc, which was paid a $7-billion govt contract to bomb, er, "demolish" the World Trade Center on 9/11, then destroy the evidence in Commie China and Knoxville.

These facts are reported in presidential reports and federal/state court cases.

They say "the people get the gov't they deserve". It's not a Left/Right issue, it's right vs wrong, it's law vs crime, it's patriotism vs treason. Anybody who still votes DemoRat or RepubliCON mafias is just voting for the lesser of 2 evils - which is still EVIL. There ARE other political parties, plus independents. Or just write in your own name. Or just run for office yourself (Jew Michael Moore was elected to county school board at age 18, where he fired the evil school principal).

Myself, I visit city council and voice my objections to the Police State hostile takeover of USA. I hand out books and videos to my Congressmen, and ask them on public radio interviews if they will vote to arrest George Bush, give him a fair trial, convict him, and sentence him to death for treason (Republican Congressman Jimmy Duncan did agree with me that he would execute GW Bush Jr for treason and mass murder for perping the 9/11 Massacres). I write letters to the White House, including asking the Clinton/Blythe White House to allow arrest of one of its drug-dealing CIA hitmen assassins, which Clinton did agree to do, and we did win a conviction for murder. You can file criminal charges against gangsters in gov't, like I did, and got over 100 gangsters fired from NOxVile's Gangsta Gov't. You can infiltrate Gangster Government yourself (like I did in USAF by filing criminal charges against commanders and a 4-star general, getting them fired), and take back your country, a

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 4:30 PM

Piratenews, I am sorry for you. The truth of the signal has made you a bit mad.
Reality permeates all of your posts, but is trampled over by the psychosis.
If this is just your style, please re-think it.
If this is just you, free-associating-
please get help, it's far from too late.
Reality CAN be a rush, sometimes a rush that is better avoided and replaced with calm understanding.

Peace dude.

Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 6:17 PM

I've been dribbling on the railroad, all the live long days...

Seriously, PirateNews, if anyone is helping Bush more than you... man you almost make it seem like supporting the nutjob is the sane option...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 10:15 PM

Pirate- Hey, I agree with you: They're all in on this together. But you know what? It's not a conspiracy of evil people bonded through child-raping rituals (Except Bush and his group, who know how important bondage is between mother and child! ) who perturb our mental functions thru fluoridation. (BTW if you're worried about the fluoride in Paxil I have two words for you: Teflon. Freon) They have something much more improtant in common. Something that keeps them on the same track, moving in the same direction, all coordinated, even if they never keep in touch. It's better than telepathy, its....

MONEY.

They are all motivated by the same thing. That's why the leaders in Zimbabwe behave like the leaders in Washington. This is not to say that there aren't militaristic fascist conspiracies: The Bush dynasty, Cheney, Abramoff (Boy, just watch the stuff scuttling out from under THAT kicked-over log!! ), Rumsfeld (and the little dwarves Bolton, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Abrams), "Scooter", Rove, Andy Card, and the rest of the WH staff really DO get together and plan out their next moves. But what really ties these clusters together with other clusters ("cluster is only half-a-word" ) is the all-powerful incentive of accumulating more and more money and the power that it brings. That, in an of itself, is enough to drive this whole machine forward.

---------------------------------
Please don't think they give a shit.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, January 6, 2006 7:01 AM

Chris,

Forgive me for doing on your thread what I should've done on mine.

Sgt. X.

The politics of firefly is obvious and pervasive, as it was in BTVS. The thing is it's all libertarian anti-big govt. and not specifically at any point on the left right continuum. Joss seems to specifically refrain taking a stance on the left right issue. Where most television is so incredibly left steeped I can barely stand to watch it, Joss always has characters like Anya and Jayne telling it like it is for us on the right, making the shows equally appealing to all. I would say if there's a political message here, he wants us to unite against a common enemy, which is a big govt. and it's monopolistic co-conspirators.

Quote:

Don't be so proud of this technological terror you've constructed... the ability to spread Chrisnanos is insignificant next to the power of the Farce.

Are you sure I don't know you?

PN,

Rupert Murdoch: Still not jewish.
I think everyone got the references in the show.

Lim,

As I said in my thread, I think about 20% of it is true. The thing is that much of the not true is the connections between people. It's like saying Mohammed Atta met with Saddam Hussein's deputy because they were both in Prague at the same time. Turns out to be total coincidence. At any given moment there are 100,000 tourists in Prague. One might be a boeing exec and another a chinese diplomat, but that by itself says nothing.

CenturyHouse,

Welcome,

and, yeah, we bicker and fight. I think I scared off a chinese girl, sorry about that. This a show about people who bicker and fight, what kind of fans do you think it has? Fluffy peace-hippie bunnyrabbits? Anyway, but it's all good. Point taken. I think Bush is truly awful, but I imagine that he's awfuller, or is it more awful, to our colleagues on the left. You might be interested in Cheney's connections to the far left via his PNAC group. This whole Iraq war thing was dreamt up by a group of socialist (yeah, they called themselves 'socialists') in the 60s. The joined the democrats in the early 70s and the end of this was the Carter Doctrine. The started a migration to the GOP with Ford, and much more with reagan, some trickling in as late as '87 direct from that bastion of coservatism: 'the american communist party'. (um that was sarcasm) Anyway, now they exist in both parties, and they spout this global change stuff. Bush Sr. was somewhat accepting of it over time, but it's not really why we went to war in Kuwait, it was more coincidental, we were defending and oil rich friendly ally, not preparing for an invasion of Iraq. IMHO. But anyway, when the Bush admin seems not on track for a conservative, that's because his policy think tank people come from a political spectrum of the left extreme of the democratic party through socialists to get to communists, pretty far left. It's sort of like having John Kerry as president only not as bad.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, January 6, 2006 7:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chrisisall:

Piratenews, I am sorry for you. The truth of the signal has made you a bit mad.
Reality permeates all of your posts, but is trampled over by the psychosis.
If this is just your style, please re-think it.
If this is just you, free-associating-
please get help, it's far from too late.
Reality CAN be a rush, sometimes a rush that is better avoided and replaced with calm understanding.

This was well thought out, and basically true. PN, listed to Chris. I get that you would say 'I'm not taking any psychiatrist's pharmagovt.'s poison. And I agree, I wouldn't either. I know because I didn't that they don't do jack. But there are a lot of good decent herbs you can get that can help you get a little focus and perspective. Afterwords you can revisit the whole idea.

Here's the problem:

1. Your fact-filled rants are riddled with exaggerations and a few blatant inaccuracies which would be more than enough for an opponent such as the ones you rant about to take you down.

2. Your attitudes are sometimes reprehensible and make the forum look like stormfront.org. You have to understand that some people on this forum are bound to be jewish. I'm not, but my ancestors were among the 5 million non-jews to be exterminated in camps, point of fact they died in aushwitz, where only about 1/2 those exterminated were ever even nominally jewish. So all the same I tend to greet 'evil jews' rant with hostility, or at least abbrasion.

3. There is a zionist cult that is part of the team of team evil, but that doesn't mean there is a conspiracy of all jews, it means there are a few jews in the conspiracy. So what. There are a fair number of christians there. Nazis are full of christianity, as they were then, there was a lot of fascism from the catholic church and has been for some time. There's a decent amount of evil coming out of Islam right now. No one has a monopoly, Communist China is racking up quite a score, as was the atheist soviet union.

What you need is to take a step back. Also, here's what I take. I no longer need to take it to keep sane, but I do anyway because it's good for a healthy brain:

two 100mg 5-htp (griffon seed extract)
one 500mg l-tyrosine (vegetable derived)
one 400 mcg folic acid (vegetable blend)

this is good health support in the form of the raw materials your brain need to make neurotransmitters, the same as if would derive from food, only concentrated. And it works.
Each night.
Then in the morning I take a B-Vitamin.

This is a serious suggestion. I think this would help anyone suffering from any sort of problem.

I know you probably don't think you have a problem, but if you fail to communicate with others, than there is room for improvement. You know so much about the subjects you post about, if you presented them with a proper amount of focus and perspective, we all might be saying, 'hey, this pirate news guy really understand how this stuff works.'

But you come across totally unfocused, with little objective perspective, and it just turns into a blind rant.

Oh, and don't take the l-tyrosine without the 5-htp, if you do it'll get converted into norepinephrine which is speed which is what you don't need more of.

LIMINALOSITY

Friday, January 6, 2006 5:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
As I said in my thread, I think about 20% of it is true. The thing is that much of the not true is the connections between people.

and, yeah, we bicker and fight.
This a show about people who bicker and fight, what kind of fans do you think it has? Fluffy peace-hippie bunnyrabbits?

20%? I couldn't find the thread you mentioned.
I like a fair bit of discernible fact attached to my conspiracies, so there are plenty of stories that I just bounce right out the door when I hear them, but 20% is far higher than what I'd think credible. I know how you are with wanting the facts and figures Mr., so I'm probably misunderstanding. Gaak! 20% of all available theories? True? Naah....Holy, I'm going for the tinfoil hat now. Maybe I'll get me a whole microwave to wear on my head. Maybe I can knit a Jayne hat out of tinfoil. 20% of what?

Fluffy bunnie rabbits are from the Buffyverse, but you can get there from here too...first star to the right, straight on till morning, no wait, that isn't it...this place is an lacking an instruction manual for new folk.
Century, the first time I found the realworld, I thought 'oh well, maybe this whole site is troll haven, better watch out', but even the intensity of the RW grows on you before too long. People are pretty good at answering questions about the organization of the site if you just shout it out, and there are plenty of experts here if you want to do anything tricky with pasting glittery stuff somewhere, or searching the site, or whatever.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

CHRISISALL

Friday, January 6, 2006 5:14 PM

Wow DT, you are indeed a well of information.
I hope PN take it seriously.

I sense the good in him, the conflict.

Chrisisall, in need of more folic acid hisself

SIGNYM

Friday, January 6, 2006 6:03 PM

Don't forget the fish oil, or at least the flax seed.

Signy- In need of natural ethanol.

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PIRATENEWS

Saturday, January 7, 2006 1:44 PM

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Originally posted by Dreamtrove:
Your attitudes are sometimes reprehensible and make the forum look like stormfront.org. You have to understand that some people on this forum are bound to be jewish. I'm not, but my ancestors were among the 5 million non-jews to be exterminated in camps, point of fact they died in aushwitz, where only about 1/2 those exterminated were ever even nominally jewish. So all the same I tend to greet 'evil jews' rant with hostility, or at least abbrasion.

So you read Stormfront.org? Never heard of it. Sounds like an FBI provocateur site.

You folks need to learn how to read. What makes you think my relatives aren't "Jewish"? My super-rich elitist "Jewish" relatives were invited guests at "Jewish" Bohemian Grove presidential retreat, where Bush Jr announced Cheney as his VP. Until you've watched Alex Jones' 2-hour undercover video of Bushes and Cheney worshiping Satan at BG (Infowars.com), then you're incompetent to be an American citizen (where the Bushes vacation with "Jew" Bill Clinton-Blythe IV - read the WhiteHouse.gov bio on his name change at age 18).

Never have I said that all "Jews" are evil. Only the Luciferian fake "Jews" are evil. But then again, 95% of "Jews" have zero DNA from "Israel", since their European ancestors converted to Judaism in the Dark Ages. Marranos Jews are Jews who were forced to convert to Catholicism or face Death Penalty during the Inquisition, hence their annual Kol Nidre prayer to lie, cheat and defraud all Gentiles (scary when you remember that banking is anti-Christian and invented by "Jews"). Rabbi "Jesus" was of course a Jew, as were his desciples and most of his followers, who HATED, and were HATED by, the Jewish Sanhedrin who worshipped Babylonian Kaballah witchcraft. So the elitist "Jews" HATED real Judaism and murdered "Jesus" the Jew and his Jewish followers.

Many patriotic American Jews HATE Zionist "Jews" and HATE Israel (JewsAgainstZionism.com), HATE Luciferian "Jews" at ADL B'Nai B'Rith, HATE the "Jewish" multi-trillioanire banksters like Rothschilds and Rockefellers (Dr Len Horowitz and Dr Henry Makow), HATE NeoCon "Jews" running Bush White House #2, and many Jews HATE Judaism so they converted to Messianic Christianity (FossilizedCustoms.com). EVERY dictionary defines the word "Semite" as AN ARAB, NOT a "Jew" living in USA who speaks English. The worst anti-Semites are Jews and fake Christians who want to kill Arabs (Iraq also has millions of Christians and Jews).

My uncle was shot down over Nazi Germany in WW2, and jailed in a "Death Camp" for killing Nazis, survived the cattle cars, survived a "Death March", and was invited to Clinton-Blythe White House to represent all POW-MIAs of WW2. His worst danger was the Commie Russian "liberation", when 50,000 US/British POWs were traded to Commie Russia for 1,000 Nazi mad scientists in Project Paperclip, which created CIA MKULTRA Project Monarch (ie River Tam). His story was published in many magazines:
http://geocities.com/snetterton_b17_pow_mia

"Jewish" Commie Russia genocided 60-million of its own citizens, then invented the lie of 6-million "Jews" gassed in Germany (Communist Poland), which even the Aushwitz museum now admits is a lie, and that "only" 600,000 Jews died in WW2. Here's the free download of the banned and censored book that got its American publisher arrested in Tennessee, deported to Canada and now on mistrial in ZioNazi Germany today:
http://zundelsite.org/english/harwood/Didsix01.html

Jews on CSPAN and History Channel reported that Hitler was a Jew who employed 150,000 Jews in Gestapo and Nazi army, including Goering and Heidrick (who ran all Gestapo Death Camps for the Final solution). These are irrefutable facts recorded by history, and testified by "Jews". ("Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" by Dr Mark Rigg, and Ron Rosenbaum)

Sir K. Rupert Murdock, Knight of the British Empire (MI6), the monster who killed FF, is a Zionist "Jew" with a Jewish mother, making him eligible for citizenship in Israel (people with non-Jewish mothers are not allowed c

CITIZEN

Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:57 PM

Here we see the flimsy attempt at rationalisation of blaming Jews for the evils of the world. The fact is your inserting the word Jew or Jewish before any name that you wish to denigrate. You'd be pulled up on it if you had said "Islamic" instead of or before any mention of Terrorists, or "Christian" or any group you care to mention.

Let's try it "Islamic" IRA terrorists...
But I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists, just the fake ones, blah, blah, blah, I have a Muslim cousin twice removed, blah, blah, blah.

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Originally posted by PirateNews:
scary when you remember that banking is anti-Christian and invented by "Jews"

Jews didn't invent banking there fella, might want to start reading your history, rather than that copy of Mein Kampf.
Banking existed in pretty much all the Civilisations of Antiquity, Egypt, Greece and Rome to name a few. It originated from the Sumerians, who weren't Jewish. That is the Sumerians, who weren't Jews, were the people who invented banking. Did I mention they weren’t Jewish.

Banking in Europe re-emerged during the crusades, and was largely attributed to the Knights Templar and Italian city states. The knights Templar and the Italian city states were Christian BTW. Part of the banking scheme used were bills of exchange, which may have been used by Jews in the tenth century, but even then the Arabs beat them too it by two hundred years.

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Joss described a genocide program that "only" killed 30-million (allegedly by "accidental medical experiment"), but USA genocided 45-million US babies since US Supreme Court relegalized genocide in Roe v Wade

Guess someone's anti-choice then. Your actually suggesting government restrictions here, I find that quite funny.

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For your sake, stop ODing on flouridated water

All water has fluorine in it. Get over it. Fluorine doesn't do any of the things you say. You need to check YOUR facts before passing out the latest e-mailed 'facts' from tin-foil hat brigade monthly.

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300-million genocided African Americans

That's nearly three times the total population of America.

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so the British Empire gave then bioweaponized blankets infiltrated with vampire fleas infected with smallpox.

Baseless accusations stated as fact. You must be a lawyer.

Cue – “your just a tool of Government oppression, blah, blah, blah, can’t think for yourself, blah, blah, blah, too stupid, blah, blah, blah, “Jew”, blah, blah, blah…” response.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

SIGNYM

Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:19 PM

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Jews didn't invent banking there fella, might want to start reading your history, rather than that copy of Mein Kampf. Banking existed in pretty much all the Civilisations of Antiquity, Egypt, Greece and Rome to name a few. It originated from the Sumerians, who weren't Jewish. That is the Sumerians, who weren't Jews, were the people who invented banking. Did I mention they weren’t Jewish.

Banking in Europe re-emerged during the crusades, and was largely attributed to the Knights Templar and Italian city states. The knights Templar and the Italian city states were Christian BTW. Part of the banking scheme used were bills of exchange, which may have been used by Jews in the tenth century, but even then the Arabs beat them too it by two hundred years.

No no no Citizen, you don't get it! They were "Jews", all of them! (You need the quotation marks.)

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SIGNYM

Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:52 PM

But seriously... Does anyone happen to notice something about many of the neocons? Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Abrams, Wurmser? Abrams wrote a book decrying the dilution of Jewish blood in America. Feith, Perle, and David and Meyrav Wurmser news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3034221.stm have close ties to JINSA and the Likud, and wrote a position paper for Netanyhau urging a break with the Oslo accord and destruction of Iraq and Syria. www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm Rumsfeld was responsible for bringing all of them in.

While I'm not one to find Jewish conspiracy in every corner I'm also not about to overlook the obvious: Militant Zionism is ONE of the motivations behind the Iraq invasion. For the rest of the maggots in the Administration, there is all that lovely geopolitical oil. And may as well pick up some nice no-bid contracts on while you're shopping for oil. (Finally, there are some paleolithic- Christians like Bush who believe in hastening Armaggedon.)

Why the Clintons are clinging to the underbelly of the Bush family I have no idea. But if you look at what they screwed up (universal health care) and what they actually achieved (NAFTA) it's pretty clear that they are deeply, deeply into the money.

Is there an analog in the Firefly world for all of this? If there is, it's not abvious.

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PIRATENEWS

Saturday, January 7, 2006 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Jews didn't invent banking there fella, might want to start reading your history, rather than that copy of Mein Kampf... Banking in Europe re-emerged during the crusades, and was largely attributed to the Knights Templar and Italian city states.

Why did "Hitler" have a Jewish rabbi?

I'm referring to "modern" Euro history, when by "Christian" law, only "Jews" were licensed to run banking businesses, since the Christian Bible expressly forbid usury. Then the elitist Luciferian "Jews" like Rothschilds (Red Sheilds aka Bauers) got into the war-making business (tricking boths sides into borrowing money for "fake" wars), then got into the counterfeiting business via fake "gov't banks" (Federal Reserve Bank Corporation that prints all US "dollar" FRNs).

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"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests."
-Rothschild Brothers' of London communiqué to associates in New York June 25, 1863 (quoted in book "Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution", Amazon.com)

Knights Templar were exterminated for worshipping Lucifer, and loaning money to gov'ts for "Jewish" usury, then changed their name to Freemasons, and are infiltrating gov'ts and churches, and still worship Lucifer, according to Jewish Masonic "pope" General Albert Pike, founder of KKK, in the Masonic bible "Morals and Dogma".

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"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma" page 321

"All religions have issued from Kabalah: everything scientific and grand in the dreams of the illuminati is borrowed from Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols. The Kabalah alone consecrates the alliance of the Universal Reason and the Devine Word."
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma" page 744

I paid $200 for a stack of new and old Masonic Mafia books, purchased from the official HQ of Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, in Washington DC, where Albert Pike is rotting in its House of the Temple along with his museum and statue. Masonic Mafia rituals include beatings and "mock" killings, and oaths to kill any member who disobeys a higher ranking Mason or reveals the Secrets. Torture is called the "Third Degree", based on Masonic initiation torture into the Third Degree. Masonic initiates wear a "cable tow" around their neck, which is a hangman's noose (now called a "necktie" as a fashion accessory). Masons were trying to recruit me, probably because many of my wealthy relatives are Masons, and they wanted to shut me up and stop my writing about Secret Societies, by sending me subscriptions to the Masonic newsletters, with titles like "I Was Called A Satanist Today":
http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/journal-files/Issues/Feb02/moss.htm

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Originally posted by citizen:
300-million genocided African Americans.
That's nearly three times the total population of America.

US population is currently 300-million, but that doesn't count any of the dead "Americans" for the past 10,000 years.

Under current US law, when a victim is kidnapped, then subsequently dies during the kidnapping, that crime is always prosecuted as murder. The 300-million number is what black-skinned professors report as the number of genocided African slaves. Perhaps they simply count all the dead slaves, no mat

CITIZEN

Saturday, January 7, 2006 5:44 PM

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Knights Templar were exterminated for worshipping Lucifer,

The phrase "Half of writing history is hiding the truth." works well on this one. The Knights Templar were hunted and killed by numerous European states, on the orders of the Pope, who said they worshipped Lucifer. Still no evidence to suggest they did.

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US population is currently 300-million, but that doesn't count any of the dead "Americans" for the past 10,000 years.

Yeah, you’re right, about population, my mistake, though the American Nation hasn't existed for ten thousand years.

How about the numbers murdered, and the genocides committed by Christianity over the years. Digging up the number of Slaves who died (though its less than 300 Million I'd bet) doesn't seem to have all that much bearing.

How about the fact that the Popes a Nazi, oh sorry, he was just a Nazi by accident, right.

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just like today when YOU volunteered for slave contracts, like Social Security (which volunteers you automatically for military draft), Driver License, Vehicle Registration, IRS forms, etc.

I'm not American.

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US Constitution, Article I, Section 10:
"No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts."

Sounds like something you can expect from a country that believes in the virtues of the free market as completely as America does.

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God's Van Allen Radiation Belt force field will atom-smash you

Actually it’s perfectly possible to pass through the Van Allen Radiation Belt without receiving a lethal dose of radiation. It's not a force field either. The Van Allen Belt is not spread over the entire planet, it's concentrated at the equator. There's a second radiation belt that is far weaker than the inner belt that forms a bubble around most of the planet.

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then God's nuke solar/cosmic radiation will charbroil you

That's essentially what the Van Allen Belts are, except trapped and concentrated by the Earths Magnetosphere.

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and remember to take out the "Jewish" Eurotrash

Why not stick them in camps and gas them, seems to work well. Call it the final solution.

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This is OUR assigned planet, take care of it

I agree with that. Unfortunately caring for the planet doesn't make the rich richer, which is opposed to the goals of the Free Market system.

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Deal with it.

Deal with what?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

RUE

Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:39 PM

PN-
How's your arsenal? You off the grid yet? Stocked up for food, fuel, ammo and antibiotics? Are you READY?

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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How about the numbers murdered, and the genocides committed by Christianity over the years.

Catholicism was never "Christianity" - it's a pagan religion, and is currently run by pedophile homosexuals and sex slave traders. Vatican City is a nation, and the pope is its king. If he fails to do what the "Jewish" banksters, Italian Mafia and Freemasons demand, he is quickly assassinated, like Pope John Paul was killed on his 33rd day (33 degrees in "Jewish" Masonic Mafia).

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How about the fact that the Popes a Nazi

Nazi Youth and IG Farben chemist. Probably helped the Nazi warcriminals flee after WW2, as part of OSS/CIA Project Paperclip, with Nazis recruited by OSS/CIA Commie spy Heinz Kissinger. The pope is a homosexual pedophile currently sued in Texas courts. He looks exactly like the evil emperor in Star Wars... separated at birth? Even real Catholics hate him, like Hutton Gibson. My wife was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools for 12 years, so she hates Catholicism. Catholic nuns are often robbed, tortured, raped and murdered in convents, that helped write the books on mind kontrol.

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just like today when YOU volunteered for slave contracts, like Social Security (which volunteers you automatically for military draft), Driver License, Vehicle Registration, IRS forms, etc.

I'm not American.

As if you don't have equivalent slave contracts in your country? Tell us where you live so we can move there! I lived in Germany and England with USAF, and Europe certainly has the same system as USA, except worse, since the NWO got a 1,000 year head start over there. Canada and Australia are just as bad, as part of the British Commonwealth ruled by the German Queen of England.

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US Constitution, Article I, Section 10:
"No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts."

Sounds like something you can expect from a country that believes in the virtues of the free market as completely as America does.

USA has no free markets under NAFTA/WTO/GATT, which have been exported along with our factories and farms, for the profit of NWO. Even 80% of Hollywood and TV jobs have been exported out of USA. All Texas streets and highways have now been given to the King of Spain, as toll roads taxed by the mile via GPS satellites. Traffic Courts in USA have been given to Australia (probably owned by the German Queen of England), via contracts for robocop spy cameras mailing automated traffic citations (a voluntary tax on stupid illiterate sheeple). www.TexasTollParty.com

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God's Van Allen Radiation Belt force field will atom-smash you

Actually it’s perfectly possible to pass through the Van Allen Radiation Belt without receiving a lethal dose of radiation. It's not a force field either. The Van Allen Belt is not spread over the entire planet, it's concentrated at the equator. There's a second radiation belt that is far weaker than the inner belt that forms a bubble around most of the planet.

When was the last time YOU passed through the Van Allen Belts? ALL manned spacecraft are carefull to stay below the deadly Radiation Belts. It protects Earth from deadly solar and cosmic radiation particles (protons and electrons), thanks to the molten radioactive liquid core (spinning dynamo run on nuke fission), plus the 100+ miles of dense air. The belts actually touch the surface of Earth at the poles, causing auroras, and cause cancer in airline pilots on polar routes.

The Moon has a solid core, so it has no radiation belt force field, so the lunar surface can be mapped by measuring GAMMA RAYS reflected from the surface of the Moon, according to recent NASA maps. The Moon actually has a HIGHER Gamma Radiation count than the Sun, since the Moon also gets bombed by Cosmic Radiation, and the Sun's Solar Wind repels Cosmic Radiation. The temperature of the Sun's corona is 3.5-million degrees F. The Sun's solar wind speed is 6-million mph. Does that sound like a f

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RUE

Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:48 PM

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But seriously... Does anyone happen to notice something about many of the neocons? Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Abrams, Wurmser? ... Militant Zionism is ONE of the motivations behind the Iraq invasion. For the rest of the maggots in the Administration, there is all that lovely geopolitical oil. And may as well pick up some nice no-bid contracts on while you're shopping for oil. (Finally, there are some paleolithic- Christians like Bush who believe in hastening Armaggedon.)

I've always thought the attack on Iraq was overdetermined. What is remarkable is the Bush/warmongering supporters' blind faith. All Bush needs is to wave the flag, say 'America!' and people goose-step right behind.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
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All Bush needs is to wave the flag, say 'America!' and people goose-step right behind.

Waving "US" flags manufactured in Commie China...

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CITIZEN

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:47 PM

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Originally posted by PirateNews:
Catholicism was never "Christianity" - it's a pagan religion, and is currently run by pedophile homosexuals and sex slave traders. Vatican City is a nation, and the pope is its king.

Good out, I'm well aware that Catholicism isn't the same thing as Christianity if you want to be pedantic, the same as the Bible has nothing to do with Christianity. Taking what Christianity is now and saying that it's not Christianity because it's different too what it was 2000 years ago doesn't make it sense. What Christianity was doesn't exist anymore.

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Nazi Youth and IG Farben chemist.

Then we agree on something.

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As if you don't have equivalent slave contracts in your country? Tell us where you live so we can move there! I lived in Germany and England with USAF, and Eurpoe certainly has the same system as USA, except worse, since the NWO got a 1,000 year head start over there.

I'm British. We don't have a social security system that automatically enters you into the Military draft. We don't have a military draft. Yeah we have Drivers Licences, they prove you've passed the driving test, we have Road Tax and MOT's, one pays for the roads, one ensures the car won't fall apart at 70mph on the motorway. Yes there is vehicle registration. I don't see how any of this constitutes a voluntary slavery contract.

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USA has no free markets

When the Free Market fails, shows it self to be flawed, anything but the perfect system it's always because it wasn't free enough, right.

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When was the last time YOU passed through the Van Allen Belts?

When was the last time YOU passed through the Van Allen Belts? How do you know they’ll kill anyone who tried?

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It protects Earth from deadly solar and cosmic radiation particles (protons and electrons), thanks to the molten radioactive liquid core (spinning dynamo run on nuke fission), plus the 100+ miles of dense air.

No. The Van Allen Belts are areas where the solar wind is trapped by the magnetosphere, which is what protects us from the majority of the solar wind and cosmic radiation. This is a magnetic field similar to what you'll find with a bar magnet, generated by the Earths molten Iron core. It's kept at temperature by Nuclear Fission. There is a gap between the two belts because of low frequency radio waves most likely caused by Lightning.

You might be right about the Apollo 11 mission, but man has landed and orbited the moon.

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Christian Bible's Revelation 9:11 named Satan as "APOLLO"...

Using an ancient Jewish encoding technique the number 666 can be read as the name of the president of Syria, Bashar Al-Assad.

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Joss had Mal's evil nemesis as an African-Englishman from the 50-nation British Empire (MI6).

You seem to be throwing words together that have a very slight association. What's your point.

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Commie Jew "Vlad The Impaler" Lenin

Vlad the Impaler or Vlad Dracul lived in Transylvania, which is now part of Romania, in the 1400's and is the basis of Bram Stoker's Count Dracula. He wasn't a Jew or a Communist. He was a member of a Christian order of Knights.

Lenin was a communist but lived in Russia, and was born in 1870.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 8, 2006 1:40 AM

Holy Friuty Oaty Bars, Batman! You're actually forcing PN to communicate! A definite step up from pure ranting.
Very impressed.

Chrisisall, busting out of his blouse

CITIZEN

Sunday, January 8, 2006 1:42 AM

I put it down to being an infuriating Bar-steward who people want to shout down

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 8, 2006 2:02 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
infuriating Bar-steward who people want to shout down

Could you repeat that in Dummy-Yank talk, please?
(Does that have anything to do w/Mudder's Milk...?)

Very un-spot-on Chrisisall

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, January 8, 2006 6:57 AM

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Originally posted by Citizen:
I'm British. We don't have a social security system that automatically enters you into the Military draft. We don't have a military draft. Yeah we have Drivers Licences, they prove you've passed the driving test, we have Road Tax and MOT's, one pays for the roads, one ensures the car won't fall apart at 70mph on the motorway. Yes there is vehicle registration. I don't see how any of this constitutes a voluntary slavery contract.

You have The Dole which is the same thing as Welfare here. I'm sure you have some kind of gov't "pension" for all citizens IF they live to be old enough, or if they get disabled before then. These are "voluntary" contracts that require some kind of signature to start the contract. ALL contracts MUST be voluntary or they are void. Duress voids any signature of "consent". EVERY person should study the law for their own survival, especially the law of contracts, since we sign so many contracts, especially "Jewish" bankster contracts, which nobody would sign if they knew how to read a contract (if property prices drop, the bank can seize a house, even if you never missed a payment).

In USA, when a person is not registered at birth for Social Security, and doesn't get conned into singing an SS contract as condition to get a job or driver license, then that person is never automatically "registered" (volunteered) to "Selective Service for the Draft", and there is no way for Gangsta Gov't to force him to go to war. Since USA is based on English Common Law, you probably have a similar scam over there.

I guarantee you, if Britian were invaded, OR, if British Govt nuked a British City, like it did in 7/7 London Bombings and "IRA" (MI6) bombings ("Shaylergate"), then you would face a draft, for both military and civilian "service" (slavery), just like WW1 and WW2, etc.

When I lived in England for 10 years, I noticed the British subjects were extremely docile and enslaved compared to USA, paying at least double taxation for everything (USA is also extremely enslaved, far worse than I knew at the time, and now our taxes are rising FAST to the Euro level of 80% to 100%).

Queen Elizabeth is officially "the richest woman in the world". The British monarchy pays itself $500-million/year tax-free salary (1980s currency rate), and British slaves, er, subjects don't rebel, and, point in fact, worship the Queen as a god - even after she mass-murdered her own ex-daughter-in-law, Princess Diana, to prevent a black-skinned Arab King of England. Bohemiam Grove has a statue of goddess "Diana", so it's possible Diana was born to be a human sacrifice, as David Icke wrote.

Now British Big Brother has 2-million robocop spy cams and insane toll roads in London, with GPS tracking of all vehicles on all roads for 2006, in preparation to turn every private car into a gov't TAXicab. That's SLAVERY. (US Gangsta Govt is catching up FAST.)

All the guns have been seized from British slaves, er, subjects, to make it harder to rebel against the feudal lords. (US Gangsta Govt is catching up FAST, as the federal city of New Orleans found out when Blackwater USA, the CIA's illegal-alien mercenaries in Iraq arrested for treason for attacking US troops, were deputized by FEMA to raid mansions in New Orleans to seize guns from people who were never flooded by Hurricane Katrina or the bombed levees.)

I loved England at the time, but it was very different than today. I was in USAF, with a high-paying challenging job, driving semi-pro race cars at British racetracks against drivers who are now (aging or retired) Formula One and Indycar superstars. But I didn't know I was getting poisoned by the US "Jewish" Gangsta Govt of Bush Sr, via sabotaged military vaccines, radioactive dust on nuke bombs, and JP8 kerosine jet exhaust.

I'm glad I left England in 1993, but it was jumping from the fry pan into the fire. It's non-stop "fun" battling with Gangsta Govt over here in USA, with the current US Civil War - fomented by "City of London" "Jewish" financial district (no

SERGEANTX

Sunday, January 8, 2006 7:42 AM

PirateNews, you should really check out this site:

http://www.timecube.com/

It supports a lot of your positions here and might provide you with additional evidence.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CITIZEN

Sunday, January 8, 2006 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by PirateNews:
You have The Dole which is the same thing as Welfare here. I'm sure you have some kind of gov't "pension" for all citizens IF they live to be old enough, or if they get diabled before then. These are "voluntary" contracts that require some kind of signature to start the contract.

Yeah, I’ve never signed on to the dole myself, but I’m curious as to how that is a contract of slavery? By those criteria surely doing anything other than living in the wilderness and trapping your own food could be considered slavery. If I work for a company that pays me cashy money for turning up between the hours of 9 and 5 am I then a slave?

How is the government pension scheme any different to a private pension, accept it could be cheaper because it’s not run for profit?

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I guarantee you, if Britian were invaded, OR, if British Govt nuked a British City, like it did in 7/7 London Bombings and "IRA" (MI6) bombings, then you would face a draft, for both military and civilian "service" (slavery), just like WW1 and WW2, etc.

I assume you don’t mean nuked, and I’m fairly sure the IRA weren’t MI6. Even if the IRA and the 7/7 bombings were a government plot I’d of thought it would have been perpetrated by MI5

. As for the draft issue, yeah of course, name one country that would press civilians into service under those extreme conditions. I’d like to point out though that even during World War One there was conscientious objectors, there was still a choice during World War One and there would still be a choice now.

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When I lived in England for 10 years, I noticed the British subjects were extremely docile and enslaved compared to USA, paying at least double taxation for everything (USA is also extremely enslaved, far worse than I knew at the time, and now out taxes are rising FAST to the Euro level of 80% to 100%).

I’m sorry, where were you posted? Eastbourne? Because the British public accept slightly higher taxes in return for many more services, you know like health care for all instead of letting those that can’t pay die in a gutter, doesn’t mean we’re docile.

How many Americans marched on Washington to protest the Iraq war? How many sometimes violent mass demonstrations are there against any law passed by Congress, because we have them over here?

As for taxes we pay between 25% and 40% depending on earnings (tax bracket). A quick bit of research shows that the American tax contribution isn’t actually much less than that, yet we get so much more for our money. So erm, who’s the docile slaves?

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Queen Elizabeth is officially "the richest woman in the world". The British monarchy pays itself $500-million/year tax-free salary (1980s currency rate), and British slaves, er, subjects don't rebel, and, point in fact, worship the Queen as a god - even after she mass-murdered her own ex-daughter-in-law, Princess Diana, to prevent a black-skinned Arab King of England. Boheiam Grove has a statue of goddess "Diana", so it's possible Diana was born to be a human sacrifice, as David Icke wrote.

The Queen isn’t officially the richest woman in the world, I’m not sure where you heard that. Estimates of her personal wealth vary wildly. The British Monarchies sole source of income is their private holdings, and taking those away from the Royals would be a rather communist thing to do, wouldn’t it? Plus the queen and the royal familly do pay tax. Also I believe a large amount of their money comes from tourism, the lion’s share of which comes from a certain superpower…

I don’t know where to begin with your statement about worshiping the royal family as gods, to be honest. I couldn’t care less about the royals, but I’ve never seen anyone praying at the gates of Buckingham palace.

As for Diana, f

k the self serving media whore bitch. I care even less about her than I do about the rest of the royal family. The fact the entire nation thinks she’s the ‘queen of hearts’ because she played the popular media really get

REALLYKAYLEE

Sunday, January 8, 2006 8:48 PM

point of intrest.

i was just online and found a link to
EPIC2014.

forgive me if you exahusted the topic but this is a faux documentary talking about the possibility (or rather making the statement) that what the people want will overpower what they need. the commercial side with dominate the media and democracy.

basically making us one unified nation with different ideas about the state of our nation. it was creepifying.

but anyway, i was thinking on it and couldn't help but see this as a precursor to the anglo-sino alliance in the verse. once one nation totally agrees they seek other alliances. without internal strife groups rise to power and gain still more influence.

here's the link
http://www.idorosen.com/mirrors/robinsloan.com/epic/

i'd like to hear what y'all see in it.

shakespeare: more words than God.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 8, 2006 10:56 PM

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So you read Stormfront.org? Never heard of it.

This cracked me up. PN, you're not a moron, don't pretend to be one, it just comes off as a lie. No, I don't post there, not being a white supremacist, but I'm beginning to suspect you do.

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So the elitist "Jews" HATED real Judaism and murdered "Jesus" the Jew and his Jewish followers.

This is just patently false. Jesus was executed by the Romans for the crime of treason of which he was guilty.

I'm going to start enumerating PirateNews' BS talking points: (none of these phrases means anything)

1. Luciferian fake "Jews"

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(Iraq also has millions of Christians and Jews).

This is an exaggeration. Iraq has upwards of one million christians and very few jews.

2. Clinton-Blythe White House

3. "Jewish" Commie Russia

WTF? Anything that has a jew touch it at any point is infected by jew cooties? Because marx was a jew, suddenly not just communism, but socialism, a western wasp pre-marx invention is jewed because theories of marx were integrated into it? What a load of jewey. Sorry, no offense to actual jews, just making fun of the jew-cootie concept.

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Russia genocided 60-million of its own citizens, then invented the lie of 6-million "Jews" gassed in Germany.
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Oh give me a break. or take one yourself. I actually know these wwii historians you riducule and I've seen their data reports and photos first hand. I've read the deny-er argument too, which is pale by comparison. Here's the real truth:

11 million civilians were killed via various means, gassing and burning did occur, as well as disease experiments, but mostly they were worked to death, starved and shot, particularly in systematic cleaning operations. Typical German encampment in an eastern front town would involve extremination of the populous.

Total holocaust casualties therefore represent the figure, 6 million of who were nominally jewish at least on German rolls. Of those, it's safe to say at least half were jewish, the Germans had a great tendency to exaggerate jewishness, labelling crimes of convenience as being commited against jews to be consistant with their policy, which they didn't actually hold to. 3 million of the 11 million were nominally christian, and the remainder were of other faiths.

If someone thinks that 6 million jews were gassed, they're just not very well informed, it's an absurd idea, most jews were shot or starved. If someone thinks that 6 million jews were not killed, they're just not looking.

Russia did not genocide 60 million of its people. They lost over 40 million in wars, which means someone else, usually the Germans, killed those people. 5-10 million were killed in the Ukrainian genocide.

I'm no defender of Soviets, Nazis, or any other kind of socialist. I think absolutely everyone here can attest to that. But get your facts straight. And certainly under no circumstances am I going to accept a judgement which says 'Nazi's, not as bad as Soviets.' That's pattently rediculous.

That quote is not available, nor was it ever, on the site you posted, newscorp.org. You should know I have a reputation as a skeet shooter here, and there's some clay pigeons waiting to be taking down, begging for it.

The info you posted is available on 19 sites, all of which are neonazi sites, and the first match was stormfront.org.

Okay, back to Rupert Murdoch is not a jew, I want to point out the idiocy of this line of reasoning. If you want to connect Rupert Murdoch to these people, do it through the scottish rite, or the rhodes-milner circle.

Also, if you read something on the web posting by a random Nazi, that doesn't make it fact. If you do somehow manage to connect Rupert Murdoch to a jew, you could probably connect anyone to a jew if it served your purposes, this would prove nothing. Jews are not a unithought group consciousness bent on converting the world into a giant bagel.

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:09 PM

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Let's try it "Islamic" IRA terrorists...
But I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists, just the fake ones, blah, blah, blah, I have a Muslim cousin twice removed, blah, blah, blah.

ROFL

The sad thing is that this dupe has fallen for a set of lies put out by the Nazis to reel him in and make him hate America, rather than actually deal with the golf war poisoning he has endured by taking stuff to cleanse his system. Miring in the chemical toxin, clinging to the ever-giving death, he wallows in self pity forever.

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300-million genocided African Americans
That's nearly three times the total population of America.

Citizen. It pains me to say it, because I really kind of like you, but... Don't be a moron. This was a moronic this to say. It wasn't moronic because it was wrong, it was moronic because you didn't know the population of America, and you were online, which meant in under 5 seconds you could have gotten the population of America, which is about 300,000. And while I'm at it...

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Baseless accusations stated as fact. You must be a lawyer.

Don't offend lawyers.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:10 PM

WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON???

*SHAKES HIS HEAD*
Space:1999 could REALLY never be, now...

*throws his Eagle model in the garbage, as well as his LM*

Capricorn One-like Chrisisall

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:25 PM

Just off the top of my head, the free masons predate the knights templar by 200 years. Knights Templar are a sect of the masonic order, and oh yeah, the good guys. Let's not forget this. The masons are the good guys. They founded the illuminati, created America, overthrew the rule of the church and established our modern capitalist democracy, so "Yay them!" Ben Franklin was the head of the masons, and head of our founding fathers. Yay him. Go America! Yay us! Unless you preferred we all lived under the rule of the Christian Taliban equivalent and were executed if we tried to move outside of the social rank we were born into.

The truth is that Hitler was a Christian, plain and simple, a creationist, and also a national socialist. He had a delusion that he was Holy Roman Emperor and he went insane while dying of syphilis, and as a socialist totalitarian dictator of the total co-operative society, everyone quickly fell inline to obey his total dissent into madness, which is exactly what's wrong with cooperative systems.

That's my nutshell case of what really happened. Everything else is pure spin. The Roman Catholic Church was behind him if anyone remembers. I'm not saying everything is a Christian conspiracy, I have nothing against Christians, most are a decent sort.

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that doesn't count any of the dead "Americans" for the past 10,000 years.

Another moronic comment. Africans have been here 300 years.

I do wonder why Jewpert Murdoch paid Joss' bills for so many years, and then handed him $25M to finish off Firefly after it had been cancelled. It must've been a zionist plot to get the truth out there.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:30 PM

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Unfortunately caring for the planet doesn't make the rich richer, which is opposed to the goals of the Free Market system.

I took offense at this, because it was there. As a free market capitalist and an environment conservationist, I assure you that there is far more profit in environmental conservation than in destruction. Petty two bit thieves are destroying the world, not the big money masters. It's high time the mighty hand of America weilded its weight in the direction of smiting them down.

I might point out that the environmental conservation movement in this country owes its start to TR, himself a free market capitalist.

CITIZEN

Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:44 PM

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Citizen. It pains me to say it, because I really kind of like you, but... Don't be a moron. This was a moronic this to say. It wasn't moronic because it was wrong, it was moronic because you didn't know the population of America, and you were online, which meant in under 5 seconds you could have gotten the population of America, which is about 300,000. And while I'm at it...

Yeah, I know, I thought the population was 160,000,000, I forget where I heard it, but I was wrong. (Yeah 300,000,000 isn't x3 of 160,000,000, I didn't sleep Friday night at all...).

My point was somewhere along the line of the one you made, there weren't that many to kill in the first place...

So basically I'm playing the I was too tired to make a coherent argument card

...

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Don't offend lawyers.

Couldn't think of a better punch line.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
Remember, the ice caps aren't melting, the water is being liberated.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:56 PM

Kaylee.

Hmm. interesting idea.

:)

SEVENPERCENT

Monday, January 9, 2006 1:09 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

That quote is not available, nor was it ever, on the site you posted, newscorp.org. You should know I have a reputation as a skeet shooter here, and there's some clay pigeons waiting to be taking down, begging for it.

The info you posted is available on 19 sites, all of which are neonazi sites, and the first match was stormfront.org.

Why, may I ask, did you keep arguing, after mining this particular bit of data? You could dig up every historical/economic/political fact and throw it at him, but I suspect all you're doing is showing flash cards to a blind man. Stormfront (and its ilk) are the types of people that still think Jews sacrifice Xtian babies in demonic rituals.

DT, Citi, you've both seen several threads worth of these posts now; tell me you aren't arguing out of any hope that reason will be seen (that's what anti-psychosis meds are for). I was doing a little research myself, and discovered that incredibly detailed conspiracy theories like these are symptoms of mild paranoid schizophrenia. It's like arguing with a rabid cat - you might think you're getting somewhere because it stopped yowling and is looking at you, but really it's just waiting to claw your eyes out.

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

Anyone wanting to continue a discussion off board is welcome to email me - check bio for details.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, January 9, 2006 8:14 AM

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So you read Stormfront.org? Never heard of it.

This cracked me up. PN, you're not a moron, don't pretend to be one, it just comes off as a lie. No, I don't post there, not being a white supremacist, but I'm beginning to suspect you do.

"I am unarmed (BAM!)... I am of course wearing full body armor - I am not a moron!"
-The Operative

Yes, I am not a moron, and I do wear body armor when suing the $40-billion/year "Jewish" Mishpucka Mafia car-theft terrorist cartel in fed and state civil courts, and when I filed criminal charges against them and their mafia soldiers in Gangsta Govt. Their gang put two guns to the head of my father and promised to blow his brains out, FOR REAL, if he refused to dismiss the "slam dunk" civil class actions, which he did 2 months later. That's the Masonic Mafia death curse, which my father had to obey as a member of that Masonic Mafia. Myself, I'm not so forgiving when carrying a gun for lawful use of deadly force for justifiable homicide in self defense.

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"I killed the ship that killed us. Not very Christian of me."
-Shepherd Book (retired Alliance Operative), STM

"You did what was right."
-Mal, STM

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
-Rabbi "Jesus", Mathew 10:34

"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
-Rabbi "Jesus", Luke 22:36

I respect all religions, especially ancient ones, until they go homicidal. Killing in self defense is not the crime of homicide.

I did get over 100 of those gangsters fired from their jobs in Gangsta Govt, but so far Gangsta Govt is refusing to arrest those confessed car thieves, who are stealing cars in USA to blow up in Iraq to blame the Arabs, according to FBI. These are also the same multinational corporations paid $7-billion govt contract to bomb/demolish the WTC and destroy the evidence in Commie China. Read my websites for details on those court battles.

As I said before, some of my relatives are "Jews", and they tend to be the richest and greediest ones, including MDs and PhDs employed for genetic eugenics research that can destroy the human race and all life on Earth. One of the standard attack strategies of Zionist Luceferian www.ADL.org is to accuse all Jews of being "anti-Semites" when they dare whistleblow on criminals who happen to calls themselves "Jews".

"Jews" are the ulitmate "white supremicists", since 95% of "Jews'" ancestors are from Central Europe, with zero DNA from ancient "Israel" (Palestine). Jewish doctors write that Yasser Arafat (a Semite) is more Jewish than European Arial Sharon (who is not a Semite). Read any dictionary to learn the definition of "Semite".

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So the elitist "Jews" HATED real Judaism and murdered "Jesus" the Jew and his Jewish followers.

This is just patently false. Jesus was executed by the Romans for the crime of treason of which he was guilty.

That's what the Babylonian Talmudic Marranos "Jews" allege. Babylonian "Jewish" elites filed bogus criminal charges of treason against "Jesus" (Yashua ben Ioseph), knowing the Roman penalty for treason was death. The Romans did not want to execute an innocent man, but the "Jewish" elites wanted "Jesus", his followers and his sect exterminated, and threatened their own treasonous riot against the Romans if they didn't get to murder the first "Christians".

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Joss used the parable of "betrayal of Jesus" in STM, when Mr Universe was forced by The Operative to betray Mal, to lure them into a trap at the Community Access Pirate TV station. Mr Universe's famous last words were for The Operative to pay him his "30" coins:

"Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders."
-Matthew 27:3

So Joss is literally saying the Alliance are "Jewish" Babylonian Talmudic witches! HA! I agree. Did anyone else notice this?[/spoi

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FLETCH2

Monday, January 9, 2006 9:04 AM

Bored now....

PIRATENEWS

Monday, January 9, 2006 11:42 AM

Is that really an effective argument?

FLETCH2

Monday, January 9, 2006 11:56 AM

Well it's Whedonesque which is more in keeping with this board than anything you've posted.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 9, 2006 2:28 PM

I figured out why PN is posting! He's creating such a paranoid hash that nobody will ever credit ANY conspiracy theory EVER. Good job, PN! You've just innoculated everyone against the whole "Jewish- conspiracy" line of thought, leaving the Zionist conspiracy to operate unchecked. OMG! PN is a "JEW"!

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Please don't think they give a shit.

LIMINALOSITY

Monday, January 9, 2006 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
He's creating such a paranoid hash that nobody will ever credit ANY conspiracy theory EVER.

Doggone it, you could be right about this part (in some weird part of the universe). Maybe the Pirate is the Red Herring.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:55 AM

I think I started out by saying I was a reactionary right wing tomato farmer with a fifth grade education. All things considered, I think I'm a pretty smart cookie. PN is delusional. I met plenty of jews and they seem like decent folk. Very few are zionist zealots bent on global domination.

Next, I think PN is deliberately deceptive. He attacks Nazis as jews, but he never attacks there positions, and tries to validate their so called 'facts.' Much of the information he posts he gets from other white supremacist sites, and cannot be found anywhere else. He is attempting to mis-educate people based on this without having people see the Nazi stygma.

Do jews do the same thing? Sure they do, the jewish media is frequently spinning stories to lead people to misinterpretations. Most Americans think that only jews were killed in the holocaust, when actually an equal number or more were of victims were non-jewish. This doesn't mean that the Nazis didn't exterminate jews with a viscious and christian hatred. Absolutely they did.

But searching for the truth in PN's rants is like looking for honestly on television. It's there somewhere, but 90% of everything you see is spin.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:14 AM

7%,

I think that's not fair to conspiracy theories. I'm sure you've heard 'yesterday's conspiracy theory is tomorrow's old news.' But that isn't this. I think the 'he's trying to discredit conspiracy theories' has more chance.

Here's the way it starts. Bob, Sam and Julie meet secretly and plan to take over the school popular kid circles. They are willing to lie cheat steal and blame all of the things they do on other kids to create in fighting etc. This helps them ascend to popularity.

There's only one snag: Joe notices it, and publishes his theory 'Bob, Sam and Julie are setting us against one another.'

BSJ must move fast. They quickly hire Ted, Sally, and Steve, who they promise to let lick their boots after they have total power. Ted starts out by echoing Joes theory exactly, only he makes one addition, that Bob, Sam and Julie are actually space aliens. Sally makes her theory that Todd and Hannah are also in on it, knowing they are not, and thus making the whole theory seem non-sensical. Steve weaves together all three theories into a grand theory, comparing, contrasting and academically studying. Steve becomes the authority on the conspiracy, to whom Joe's initial theory is totally subordinate.

The truth is that PN is stuck in a reality where his faith would not endure the same level of detailed analysis that he sets to other things so he must make himself out to be the victim. Curiously, this also falls into the same sort of logical fallacy, which is that the jews playing the victim is proof of their conspiratorial involvement, hence by this logic we can assume that the anti-zionist christian is also. Christians were almost always the perpetrators, not the victims, even in the whole fed-to-the-lions incident, which was blown all out of porportion. Particular Christians, having been found guilty of crimes they were actually guilty of, were fed to the lions in one incident to the best of my knowledge, but well, you know, the victim card.

I was recently reading about the Crusades. These may to have been the actual largest genocide of all time, though the Holocaust, extermination of the indians, slavery and the Russian Civil War certainly rank, as does Rwanda/Burundi. The aggressors in all of these conflicts were Christian, and were jewish, islamic or pagan in none of them.

PN's lack of hostility towards muslims also labels him a Nazi. He holds many of the trademark beliefs found on any of the christian white extremist pages. I think his dissociation from them is spin.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:02 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Yeah, I’ve never signed on to the dole myself, but I’m curious as to how that is a contract of slavery? By those criteria surely doing anything other than living in the wilderness and trapping your own food could be considered slavery. If I work for a company that pays me cashy money for turning up between the hours of 9 and 5 am I then a slave? How is the government pension scheme any different to a private pension, accept it could be cheaper because it’s not run for profit?

"Town hall bureaucrats are to be given sweeping new powers to investigate homes for identity card evasion and to impose heavy fines on occupants found without one. It will stiffen resolve at Westminster to oppose the Identity Cards Bill, which is due before the House of Lords again next week."
-London Telegraph, "No identity card? You could be fined £2,500," January 6, 2006

Yes, it's hard to not get suckered into the slave contracts. How many Brits still have their "Victory Gardens" to feed themselves? Our generation is fat, lazy and stubid, compared to our parents, or so they tell us. How many people know how to own their own business - with the benefit of paying zero taxes (GO MAL!)? How many people know how to cure their own diseases without going to a Death Camp, er, hospital? How many people know how to generate their own electricity or grow their own fuel for vehicles? How many people have ever owned a gun for self defense (GO MAL!)? How many people can argue their own case in court - and win? How many people know how to turn on the TV and drink a beer while sitting on their ass?

"Pension" programs run by Gangsta Govt or private corporations pay you only 10% of the pension you would get if YOU took charge of your own investments. It's just a Ponzi Scheme designed to rob you, since most people will die before they collect a pension check. Many industries are losing all pensions, such as steel mills, automotive manufacturers, airlines, etc. Learn the "Rule of 78s" to calculate how much your pension should be worth, compared to what the govt or private pension actually might pay you.

$70-trillion/year is looted from govt CAFR pensions in USA, with Bush Gang looting $4.5-trillion from Pentagon's civilian CAFR pensions since 2001, according to Congressional testimony by neoCon "Jew" Sir Donald Rumsfeld Knight of the British Empire, grilled by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

VIDEO: Rummy admits $4.5-trillion "missing":
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/240305mckinneygrills.htm

Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports:
Gangsta Govt in towns, counties, utilities, states, universities, and feds keep 2 sets of books, and only tells the sheeple about "expenses", but keeps its Wall Street profits Top Secret, and loots that profit like the Mafia loots a union pension fund as their personal ATM ("Other People's Money" = OPM). European elites do the same thing to its slaves, but presumably use a different name for CAFR:
www.cafrman.com

I guarantee you, if Britian were invaded, OR, if British Govt nuked a British City, like it did in 7/7 London Bombings and "IRA" (MI5) bombings, then you would face a draft, for both military and civilian "service" (slavery), just like WW1 and WW2, etc.

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I assume you don’t mean nuked, and I’m fairly sure the IRA weren’t MI6. Even if the IRA and the 7/7 bombings were a government plot I’d of thought it would have been perpetrated by MI5.

Yes, MI5. I do mean NUKED. Pentagon has nuked USA over 1,050 times already... Sir Donald Rumsfeld "Jewish" Knight of the British Empire worked hard to sell Iran nuclear bombs (and North Korea), in order to blame them later, no matter who sets off a nuke... Just like Rummy gave WMDs to Saddam. Israel has 400 nukes, including Russian suitcase nukes, and has threatened to nuke Europe. NWO/MI5/MI6 could use one of Mossad's nukes to bomb England with immunity from prosecution, to blame the Arabs and expand the wars and continue Big Brother's Police State in UK. 100s of Israeli Mossad terr

CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:38 AM

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Originally posted by Pirate'Loonytoons'News:
How many Brits still have their "Victory Gardens" to feed themselves?

Anyone who wants one. People with gardens can grow whatever they like, people without can get an allotment, just like my uncle.

As for the rest of your diatribe if you want to live in an anarchistic society there are loads of places you could do it. The sad thing is you probably beleive you'd be better off.

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I guarantee you, if Britian were invaded, OR, if British Govt nuked a British City, like it did in 7/7 London Bombings and "IRA" (MI5) bombings, then you would face a draft, for both military and civilian "service" (slavery), just like WW1 and WW2, etc.

I didn't say you wouldn't, I said there's always a choice. You may go to prision (but I doubt it) but you wouldn't be on the frontline. You may want to read my post next time before copy/pasting from " www.HitlersASwellGuyReally.com".

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Yes, MI5. I do mean NUKED. Pentagon has nuked USA over 1,050 times already... Israel has 400 nukes, including suitaces nukes, and has threatened to nuke Europe. NWO/MI5/MI6 could use one of Mossad's nukes to bomb England with immunity from prosecution, to blame the Arabs and expand the wars and continue Big Brother's Police State in UK.

You don't know the difference between MI5 and MI6, so I should trust anything you have to say, why?

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As for British "healthcare", there are many horror stories. Remember "Jewish" Dr Shipman in Hyde ("the world's worst serial killer"), convicted of murdering his healthy patients with injections of morphine, then forging their wills. He genocided 600 patients, without other British doctors blinking an eye.

Wrong, false etc etc etc...
*sigh*
Concoct whatever theories and numbers you like.

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The stuff about demonstrations riots.

Whatever fruitcake.

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USA should invade City of London and liberate the British people from the tyranny of the German Queen and Tony BLiar, just like we did in Afghanistan, Iraq and Panama. We shoud put the queen and Bliar on trial just like Noreiga and Saddam, find them guilty, then execute them, as allowed by current law.

That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
I think the UN should invade Washington DC and get rid of Bush.
At least Blair was voted in.

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Your bias is showing. Diana was reportedly pregnant with an Arab heir to the throne to compete with William and Harry. Dodi would never have any ancestral claim to the throne.

Do you have any idea how far down the ladder of succession any child of Diana's would be if they weren't fathered by the Prince of Wales? Probably not, your ingorance of reallity is astounding.

This heir to the throne would not of competed with either the Prince of Wales, Prince Harry or William for the throne.

The only thing showing is the fruitloops between your ears.

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She also wanted to ban landmines, which goes against the NWO genocide program.

Yes, and everyone who's said at some point "landmines should be banned" has ended up murdered by the German-Russian-Pinko-Commie-Nazi-Leftwing-Socialist-Markist-Jewish-Islamic-Santanist-Twinky munching MI6-5-4-3-2-1 Secret Ayahtohla death squads.

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She was making the Satanic royals look like human beings instead of gods, which is blasphemy punishable by death.

Cookoo cookoo cookoo...

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British Empire

Doesn't exist anymore.

And I asked for evidence, not a repeat of what you said last time...

Anyway, I have a life, and I'm bored of Nazi rhetoric now.

You're nuttier than a fruitcake and half as interesting, bye bye.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:29 PM

Excellent logical argument. You must be a barrister in the Inns of Court. Do you let Prince Charles boff yer bum, reportedly his favorite pasttime, according to his fg ex-wife?

Do you eat Mrs Brains Faggots and Spotted Dick - "the Queen's favorite dessert"? Cheap shot, yes, but ye hath made me angry, ye bloody bloke.

Geese, the way we fight you'd think we were on the crew of FF, but without all the stabbing and shooting and punching.

Yes, the British royals are inbred morons, but they tend to be evil inbred morons. I once spoke with my racing competitor and fellow team owner in British Formula 3, Jackie Stewart, Formula 1 World Champion (ta da!), of the Scottish royal House of Stewart (whoop te do). I handed him a magazine article I wrote, published in Autosport magazine, about the WW2 history of Snetterton Circuit. He said that he cannot read (reportedly because he's dyslexic). I guess he didn't know anyone else who could read it to him. What a genius. His overpaid team actually repainted his temporary pitlane garage at each race, and pranced around on the starting grid with Arab Kings. Boy, he really hated me, with my shoestring budget and volunteer pit crew, that actually outqualified his team once in the rain at Donnington. What a ponce. I guess he finally found a way to cash in on F1's drug-running operations of multi-billionaire Bernie Ecclestone (a "Jewish" gangsta?). But I digress.

Yes it would be "great" for UN's army to take out Bush, like British Empire burned the White House in 1812. Bush, er, Cheney tried to crash a robot airliner into either the White House or Congress, before NDANG F-16s shot it down, winning awards from congress and North Dakota governor on TV. Taking out DC is certainly the goal of the UN/NWO. They've probably got Jerry Bruckheimer writing that script, like Pentagon paid him to write Private Jessica Lynch's Bogus Journey.

UN/NATO troops took out the Waco church and are taking out New Orleans right now, including the Mexican army in USA for the first time in US history. Russians and Germans also have occupying bases in USA, like USA once had in Europe. Commie China now owns many US ports and former US naval bases, plus a Bahama port and the Panama Canal, and has troops in Mexico.

But arresting the Bush Gang is USA's responsibility. There are plenty of serious insiders attempting to do that, but frankly, they aren't trying hard enough. CIA/FBI has already infiltrated all senior ranking police commanders and prosecutors. And the Bush Gang already killed a bunch of them, like Senator Wellstone.

Maybe we should do what my sister did, learn to speak Mandarin at Yale and move to Commie Shanghai and join the gorum Anglo-Sino Alliance? USA DOA. Even Nathan is from Canada.

Just bend over for your vaccine and be a good slave.

Quote:
"There is no news, only the truth of the signal. There's the puppet theatre, the parliamentary jesters, the somnolent public... They can't stop the signal! They can never stop the signal!"
-Mr Universe, STM, Pirate TV

somnolent.
Drowsy; sleepy. Inducing or tending to induce sleep; soporific. In a condition of incomplete sleep; semicomatose.
-American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary

Ha! Good joke Joss.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:27 PM

Okay,

I want to dissect this post by PN because I think it's much more lucid than the previous rants, and here I think there's a decent possibility to separate the lunacy from reality. I don't mean to be condescending here, I just think that PN has a preconceived notion of what he *wants* to be the truth, and it's getting in the way of the *actual* truth. This reminds me of some friends of mine who are socialist-leaning republicans, who know a lot of people in the Bush clan. They can see that Bush is evil, but they want to blame someone else, but really they're right in the thick of the camp which is to blame. (And yes, socialist leaning republicans DO exist, and if you asked them they would say "We're socialist-leaning republicans" quite honestly. Remember Hoover, the openly socialist republican president of the USA.)

Okay, now to the task at hand:

Quote:

PN Paragraph 1:

Yes, it's hard to not get suckered into the slave contracts. How many Brits still have their "Victory Gardens" to feed themselves? Our generation is fat, lazy and stubid, compared to our parents, or so they tell us. How many people know how to own their own business - with the benefit of paying zero taxes (GO MAL!)? How many people know how to cure their own diseases without going to a Death Camp, er, hospital? How many people know how to generate their own electricity or grow their own fuel for vehicles? How many people have ever owned a gun for self defense (GO MAL!)? How many people can argue their own case in court - and win? How many people know how to turn on the TV and drink a beer while sitting on their ass?

Okay. I have nothing to argue here. I think PN is pretty much spot on here. I don't think people need victory gardens as long as they have a local farming community of people they know who are locally owned and operated. But people should rely on massive walmart for their food supply.

Quote:
PN, P.2,3,4

"Pension" programs run by Gangsta Govt or private corporations pay you only 10% of the pension you would get if YOU took charge of your own investments. It's just a Ponzi Scheme designed to rob you, since most people will die before they collect a pension check. Many industries are losing all pensions, such as steel mills, automotive manufacturers, airlines, etc. Learn the "Rule of 78s" to calculate how much your pension should be worth, compared to what the govt or private pension actually might pay you.

$70-trillion/year is looted from govt CAFR pensions in USA, with Bush Gang looting $4.5-trillion from Pentagon's civilian CAFR pensions since 2001, according to Congressional testimony by neoCon "Jew" Sir Donald Rumsfeld Knight of the British Empire, grilled by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

VIDEO: Rummy admits $4.5-trillion "missing":

Labels aside, this is pretty much true. Social Security will give you 32 cents or so on your dollar back, with no interest. Why anyone in their right mind fights to defend this program is way beyond me. Unlike PN, I believe society *can* work, it just doesn't. I'd favor a special corporate/govt bond investment program (your choice) which would create venture captial while providing for retirement, with a 40 year-400% return. This would incredibly easy to acheive. The problem with pension plans and social security is that some crook is always robbing the till. So the systems are set up so that your own money gets dribbled back to you so slow that you never notice. I don't think Rumsfeld is jewish. Like it matters.

Quote:
PN p.5
Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports:
Gangsta Govt in towns, counties, utilities, states, universities, and feds keep 2 sets of books, and only tells the sheeple about "expenses", but keeps its Wall Street profits Top Secret, and loots that profit like the Mafia loots a union pension fund as their personal ATM ("Other People's Money" = OPM). European elites do the same thing to its slaves, but presumably use a different name for CAFR:

Here's where the subtle assumptions make their way in.

Quote:

Gangsta Govt
Po

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LIMINALOSITY

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:32 PM

Sorry if you've heard this one, but I'd like some info if anyone has any.

Cheney's house is wearing a tinfoil hat.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=61996&forum=3

I'm just not going into the 'irony of it all' rant. My question is how would you accomplish this jamming? I doubt it could be effected by attaching a disco-ball to your roof. I also wonder what sort of electromagnetic sludge zone you create around your house if you do this.

Ok, there's the wiretapping to maybe take GW's whole cunning plan down a rung
Cell phone taped to the head for Cheney
Who's next, Rummy?

BTW, I think DT's right about PN's nazi connection. So, did we want a pet flashy thingy? I've heard they bite.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:45 PM

PN:
Whatever.

Quote:
Just bend over for your vaccine and be a good slave.

I'm still not a slave, despite the fact that I don't believe the normal operation of society is slavery.

Your problem isn't with government, it's with society, it appears to be with the idea of working with other people.

And the British don't talk like that.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

FARAMOND

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:54 PM

My impression as a newborn fanatic [never heard of the series before two months ago]is that the primary reason that Firefly/Serenity has taken off in the cult status that it has is because it is relevant, specifically to our situation in this country [I'm writing from the USA] in these interesting times [damn those Chinese and their curse!!] The famous quote goes, "If you want facts, go into journalism; for truth, you have to read fiction." Because of this, it may never hit the mainstream that we all hope it does; after I watched the Firefly DVD [front to back twice in about 3 days]I said to my roommate, "Of course they canceled it; it's too good to actually stay on the air. We can't have TRUTH on the air!" You look at the increasing need of our governments to monitor everything about our lives, to control everything, and this is why we see truth in Serenity. What did the teacher say to the young River about "...teach[ing] them how [to think]"? They want to "program" us to become sheep because sheep don't ever think long enough to question why they're on the block.
The whole situation with River Tam is an obvious call to the CIA's MK Ultra mind control project involving a combination of torture, rape and psychotropic drugs in order to fragment the mind, started in the 50's and continued on beyond the eighties. The end result, oddly enough, is almost dead-on River Tam, a 75 pound little girl with a photographic memory able to kill people with her bare hands, except that River is fiction, and this stuff actually happened.

For more on the subject, read the book "For Reasons of National Security" by Cathy O'Brien

Our ever-increasing network of police states [aka CAFTA, NAFTA, FTAA, EU, etc. ] have a veneer of civilization, just as the Alliance does, but under the skin, we're still back to Macchia-vellian situations brought about by types like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and the lower-key images of many of our contemporaries [Javier Solana, Mikhail Gorbachev, George Herbert Walker Bush ....feel free to disagree with me at any time; it's theoretically still a free 'verse]

I believe Firefly/Serenity to be not just top-knotch fiction, but important and timely. Our times, our situations, are more than a little similar. Unfortunately. God help us all in our own valley.

And have you heard, the United Nations has been talking about a global Internet tax? Just when we found a forum that weren't run by the Alliance!

"Veritas Vel Ad Nex"

"Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko"

FARAMOND

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Fruity Oaty Bars - Don't do it!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Another one that's so wrong it's funny:

"Battered women; it sounds delicious, but it DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!"

"Veritas Vel Ad Nex"

"Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko."

FARAMOND

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:38 PM

Okay, the "Jew" talk is just plain silly and muddies the waters of discussion; it makes anyone agreeing with part of what you said sound like a Montana Klansman. I support your right to have your opinions and voice them, but come on; there is no Zionist conspiracy. I believe there are conspiracies, but it's philosophical, not racial; that argument is starting to sound like racists who want to justify the use of the word nigger saying they don't mean it racially. Historical analysis would sooner reveal a "vast Irish conspiracy" and if that sounds silly, that's because it is. Jewish & Irish, they both get the short end of the Macchiavellian stick.

"Veritas Vel Ad Nex"

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:49 PM

Lim,

It's more like a computer virus that jams the signal at those coordinates. Of course this means it's very easy to see where it is, just not what's going on there. This lends credence to PN's homo-child sacrafice molochfest theory.

Faramond,

Thanks for bringing us back on topic.
I thought we put this nightmare to bed:

Quote:
(October 26, 1999) The House passed the Global Internet Tax Freedom Act by a vote of 423 to 1 on October 26. The resolution calls for a permanent moratorium on global Internet e-commerce tariffs, a ban on multiple, discriminatory, and special Internet taxes, and a condemnation of the U.N. proposal that nations impose a bit tax.
Related Pages Cox-Wyden Resolution. Summary of Bills Pertaining to Internet Taxation in the 106th Congress. House Concurrent Resolution 190, which is known informally as the Global Internet Tax Freedom Act, was introduced in the House on September 30 by Rep. Chris Cox (R-CA).

Do you mean to say that the UN is seriously still talking about this? Maybe the UN has to die before it turns into world govt.

GHW Bush is no evil emperor, neither is Gorby. These are a couple of moderates. Bush and Blair are pretty evil though, and Putin and Chirac are evil-er. Hu Jintao is not Huge in Tao, and is really quite out of control.

I just want to update this tally (China aquisitions)
Since WWII: Inner Mongolia, Vietnam, Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia.

And more recently:

Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan. In addition they recently annexed a portion of Kashmir.

And currently under attack:

Bhutan, Nepal

In addition to these, China has opened up a second front with the South American Puppet Theater:

In addition to Cuba, which they inherited from the soviets, they have added Venezuela, Bolivia, and a strong hold over the new socialist left govt. in Brazil.

Specifically, China seems to be bent on the conquest and cultural obliteration of all extant asian countries, with the present exception of Japan, but I'm sure this is only because of fear of war with the US (A US which didn't stand up for Taiwan? WTF?)

In addition to that, they have quite openly annouced their plans to subjegate S.America and the Mid.East. They have company in that in the new W. regime. (This Bush I will grant is a disaster)

Now as to Solana, say what you like about him, I've been saying the EU is the new USSR and not the new USA for some time. It's not a vicious rumor but establish fact that the principle document the EU drafters were working off of was the Soviet Constitution and not the American, I hope that puts a damper on support for the new evil empire. What Europe should do is scrap the EU govt. and replace it with a group of people more like our founding fathers, people who will respect civil liberties and state's rights. But I'm by no means saying that the United States is perfect. It could have done with a little more care.

Right now, the govt. of New York has no say whatsoever in whether or not New Yorkers are sent to war in Iraq. If a majority of the House and Senate being from the red zone, the south and midwest, agree, then there is no one who is answerable to the people of New York who decides whether or not New Yorkers go to war. It's completely and utterly unjust.

To my friends in Europe, I pose this question:
Do you want this to happen to you? Right now, if the people of Poland are unhappy, they can leverage their local Polish politicians and demand that no more Poles get sent to Iraq. Imagine a future in which the EU progresses along its current path unhindered, in as little as five or ten years, if the mainland wants to go to war, there will be no was for the people of the british isles to not fight that war, a conflict which may represnt mainland corporate or political interests and might even be in direct opposition to the UK and Ireland's own interests.

Just food for thought.

FARAMOND

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
All Bush needs is to wave the flag, say 'America!' and people goose-step right behind.

Waving "US" flags manufactured in Commie China...

Your posts have been...entertaining [?]. Mind you, I think you have bits of truth mixed in with all the dead flies, but I do have a warning. Remember the fate of Twitchy.

The Life & Times of Twitchy the Clown

TRUTH IS A BLESSING, BUT IT CAN BE A CURSE
IF YOU PASS ON THE BEST & SEEK AFTER THE WORST.
IF YOU NEED ANY PROOF, WELL THE BEST THAT’S AROUND
IS THE SAD LIFE & TIMES OF TWITCHY THE CLOWN
HE SITS IN THE SAWDUST WITH GIN ON HIS BREATH
AS HE HACKS BITS OF LUNG UP WITH EACH CIGARETTE,
EACH ONE OF HIS MOLARS GROUND DOWN TO THE STUMPS,
AS, WITH EACH SUDDEN NOISE, HIS THIN, FRAIL BODY JUMPS.
TWITCHY THE CLOWN...TWITCHY THE CLOWN
HE’LL TURN THAT SMILE OF YOURS RIGHT UPSIDE DOWN
TOO MUCH OF THE LOWDOWN WILL GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN
DON’T LOOK FOR AMUSEMENT FROM TWITCHY THE CLOWN
HE DISGUISES HIS LOOKS FROM THE GLOBAL ELITE
WITH GREASEPAINT & WIGS & HUGE SHOES ON HIS FEET;
WITH A BIG BAG OF TRICKS & A TINFOIL HAT
HE CRUSADES FOR THE TRUTH. WHO CAN BLAME HIM FOR THAT?
HIS KNOWLEDGE OF U.N. DETAILED INNER-WORKINGS
HAS PUT HIM IN DANGER OF THE EVIL THAT’S LURKING.
SO HE LIVES ON THE FRINGE; HE’S OUTSIDE OF THE SYSTEM
ENLIGHTENING THE CIRCUS WITH HIS BITTER WISDOM.
[chorus]
SEE, THEY’RE UP TO NO GOOD, ALL THOSE GLOBALIST CHAPS
WITH THEIR MURKY AGENDAS AND ILLEGAL WIRE-TAPS
THEY POISON THE AIR AND THE WATER WE DRINK
AND THEY STUFF US WITH DRUGS TO CONTROL HOW WE THINK.
NOW, THE ELEPHANTS SNUB HIM; HE’S SHUNNED BY THE FREAKS.
THEY’RE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT CIA LEAKS.
EVERYONE IN THE CIRCUS GIVES TWITCHY WIDE BERTH;
THEY’RE LOOKING FOR MIRTH INSTEAD OF A DEARTH.
You might think that his sense of reason’s gone South,
But there are quite a few pearls that come out of his mouth.
Many things we believe in are actually lies,
But the dark truths are plain to his sharp, rheumy eyes.
NOW KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, LEAST THAT’S WHAT THEY SAY,
BUT, WITH TWITCHY THE CLOWN, IT DIDN’T WORK QUITE THAT WAY.
FOR KNOWLEDGE IS ONE THING, AND FEAR QUITE ANOTHER,
AND SMELLING THE FLOWERS HELPS YOU DEAL WITH BIG BROTHER.
THE CANCER THAT GOT HIM DIDN’T COME FROM WITHOUT;
‘TWAS HIS FEAR THAT CONSUMED HIM FROM THE INSIDE ON OUT.
TWITCHY DIED IN THE GUTTER, AND HIS EPITAPH,
IN HIS OWN BLOOD WAS WRITTEN, “HE FORGOT HOW TO LAUGH.”

"Veritas Vel Ad Nex"

"...also, I can kill you with my brain."

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FARAMOND

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:14 PM

Faramond,

Thanks for bringing us back on topic.
I thought we put this nightmare to bed:

Quote:
(October 26, 1999) The House passed the Global Internet Tax Freedom Act by a vote of 423 to 1 on October 26. The resolution calls for a permanent moratorium on global Internet e-commerce tariffs, a ban on multiple, discriminatory, and special Internet taxes, and a condemnation of the U.N. proposal that nations impose a bit tax. ....etc., etc.

You are very well spoken. Thanks for your civility. I'm sorry if I woke a nightmare; this is my first day on the site, and I was catching up.

As for the USA comments, I am an American, 'tis true, and I don't like what the past, oh, eight administrations have been doing, 'tis also true, and I think we may be saying the same things from two ends of the spectrum. Oppression is the way of those in power. My belief, and I believe History backs me up on this, is that there is no one evil empire...more or less everybody's a big jerk; every civilization has stuck it to some other civilization, 'cept maybe the Eskimos, 'cause it's too goran cold up there to oppress, but they do kill whales, I guess....

I'm too rutting tired [I'm adding these cute little fireflyisms in here, isn't that precious?]of defending my gender or culture, because I think those issues are downstream issues and don't really get at the core of things. I'd "defend" my race, except I don't believe there are different races, just the human race doing all the stinky and cool things that humans have always done, regardless of earlobe size or melanin content.

And, regarding the tax: nothing ever dies, it just gets run through again. The proverb says, "A dog returns to his vomit."

also, "Beaurocracy is like a septic tank; the really big chunks float to the top."

Anyway, I agree with y

"Veritas vel ad nex."

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LIMINALOSITY

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Lim,
It's more like a computer virus that jams the signal at those coordinates. Of course this means it's very easy to see where it is, just not what's going on there. This lends credence to PN's homo-child sacrafice molochfest theory.

I just want to update this tally (China aquisitions)

Thanks DT, computer virus obscuring Cheney's house is an interesting thought, which leads to thoughts of the possibility of other vectors for the poisoning of the masses (which I had considered and discarded as being just too paranoid). I like plenty of proof to avoid jumping to contusions, so I'll tuck those thoughts away in the 'yuck file' for now. I'm not on board with the child sacrifice fest, though maybe that party is at Rummy's house.

Nice full-on China rant.

...and shopping at WalMart feeds this beast.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

LIMINALOSITY

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Faramond:
You look at the increasing need of our governments to monitor everything about our lives, to control everything, and this is why we see truth in Serenity. What did the teacher say to the young River about "...teach[ing] them how [to think]"? They want to "program" us to become sheep because sheep don't ever think long enough to question why they're on the block.

For more on the subject, read the book "For Reasons of National Security" by Cathy O'Brien

I believe Firefly/Serenity to be not just top-knotch fiction, but important and timely. Our times, our situations, are more than a little similar. Unfortunately. God help us all in our own valley.

"Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko"

You think I discount all of this? Not a chance.
Here's one possible use for the red herring factor: an agenda for power and control would have a hierarchy of fear inducing information, and a wish to descredit those who sniff their trail. The pirrahnas in the think tanks have been working on subliminals for a very long time, and some of the information out there about the psychological rending and reformation of children into weapons will be designed to snare the people who are looking into that subject. Flashing lights can be used as triggers, and I think embedded information in some of these websites is a real possibility. The Fruity Oaty Commercial in Serenity was just a scary toy, and look how much time people are spending posting about it with the jingle stuck in their heads. A thing like this with some real manipulation behind it would be a terrible thing, and not, I think, beyond the realm of possibility.
Thanks for the book title.

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:11 AM

Lim:
Sub-conscious manipulation can't push you to do things that you consider wrong.

There was recently a show on TV by a guy called Derren Brown that tried to get people to perform an armed robbery through subliminal messaging and the like. Darren Browne is a master at this, and despite picking the people he thought would be susceptible not everyone ended up committing the (staged) armed robbery. Some did, but some didn't do it.

Basically I'm saying that the people who did would probably commit an armed robbery if the opportunity arose and they were sure they wouldn't get caught.

Derren Brown's websites interesting:
www.derrenbrown.co.uk

Quote:
Derren Brown was born in Croyden in 1971. It was a difficult birth: his mother was in Devon at the time.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

FARAMOND

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:14 AM

You think I discount all of this? Not a chance.
Here's one possible use for the red herring factor: an agenda for power and control would have a hierarchy of fear inducing information, and a wish to descredit those who sniff their trail.

The official Frankfort School term for this, according to the modern Hegelian dialectic is "cognitive dissonance." It's also why the US press covers so much about hurricanes, avian flu and "global warming"; it's designed to make the populous fearful and panicky, and a panicky herd is easily manipulated. Serenity's verse hasn't dealt with the Reavers specifically because they have become useful. [Well, okay, NOW they're a liability, but just as a previous post said a while back, it's all on how it gets spun, isn't it?]

The pirrahnas in the think tanks have been working on subliminals for a very long time, and some of the information out there about the psychological rending and reformation of children into weapons will be designed to snare the people who are looking into that subject. Flashing lights can be used as triggers, and I think embedded information in some of these websites is a real possibility. The Fruity Oaty Commercial in Serenity was just a scary toy, and look how much time people are spending posting about it with the jingle stuck in their heads. A thing like this with some real manipulation behind it would be a terrible thing, and not, I think, beyond the realm of possibility.

If I may say so, very astute observations. I believe it's the same reason that the Internet is even tolerated at all. And, as far as the realms of possibility go, I wonder why, if you watch early morning television, that almost 4 out of 5 commercials are pharmaceutical in nature: "Ask your doctor about Darnitol" --hey, you know, I'm not even sick, so why am I asking my doctor about anything.

I also heard an "expert" talking about the flashing lights on television inducing hypnotic effects. I'm not sure I agree with him, but at the same time, TV, like movies, for me is almost a physical addiction that I get. I mean, Firefly is without a doubt my most favorite program of all time [sob], but I really have to watch how many times I play the DVD or think about it, instead of living life. It's great art, but it's not a substitute for living, just as the Internet isn't either. Too much of a good thing and all.

"....also, I can kill you with my brain."

FARAMOND

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Lim:
Sub-conscious manipulation can't push you to do things that you consider wrong.

ACTUALLY... the "Frankfort School" came up with "cognitive dissonance" specifically to screw up your conscience, to get you to practice violationg your sense of right and wrong. So the end result is that they manipulate you into doing whatever it is they want you to do without that whole "morality" thing getting in the way. That's why the Operative is so concerned with Malcolm Reynolds; he has an axe to grind, and, though he is a criminal, he's got a case history of trying to right wrongs, much like, say, Batman. Or Sir Thomas More. These types of people muck it all up for those who wish to perpetrate their....shenanigans. And they go to extreme lengths.

"....also, I can kill you with my brain."

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CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:32 AM

They have to change your sense of right and wrong, which is doable, but not as simple as a few subconscious tricks.

I mean if someone can change what you think is right and wrong they don't need to make assassins, do they?

Cognitive Dissonance is the 'desire' to revaluate ones preconceived ideas/beliefs in the light of new evidence.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:49 AM

And seals, they club seals too.

Why only the last eight? There weren't nothing special about Kennedy. He invaded cuba, invaded vietnam, and twice nearly got us into a war witht he USSR, once with nukes. Not to mention he cheated the '60 election :)

My list goes like this

T. Roosevelt (R) A+ (Peace and Prosperity)
W.H. Taft (R) A (weak on conservation)
W. Wilson (D) F (WWI, Russian Civil War, War Debt)
W.G. Harding (R) A (weak economically)
C. Coolidge (R) A+ (Peace and Prosperity)
H. Hoover (R) D (Disasterous economically, but no war)
F.D. Roosevelt (D) C (WWII-Japan, too late on WWII-germany, big govt?)
H.S. Truman (D) F (Nuked Japan twice, invaded Korea)
D.D. Eisenhower (R) A+ (Peace and Prosperity)
J.F. Kennedy (D) C (invaded Cuba, Vietnam and flirted with nuclear war. Those missiles were in Cuba because of the previous incident in E. Germany, so it wasn't something that just 'happened')
L.B. Johnson (D) F (Lions share of Vietnam combat and economic pain)
R.M. Nixon (R) B (slow getting out of Vietnam, slow to turn economy around)
G. Ford (R) B (Okay, but let neocons in)
J. Carter (D) B (Decent, but more neocon hawks)
R.W. Reagan (R) B (More neocon hawks, but decent times)
G.H.W. Bush (R) B (Good times, but war in Kuwait.)
W.J. Clinton (D) D (Good economically, but four more wars: Iraq, Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti. Also environmental nightmare)
G.W. Bush (R) F (Two wars, Iraq, Afghanistan, and economically disasterous. Also civil liberties and environmental nightmare)

Fun little exercise, I invite folks to do it.

But there it is, I agree there's been a downturn recently, but still think the GOP isn't dead, and might get revitalized with a banishing of Bush, as they did after kicking out the Hooverites. The Dems have a more serious problem, because they don't in-fight enough. They should have gotten as angry at Clinton as old-style republicans are at Bush, but they seem to have let it slide, with the possible exceptions of Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer, who I guess really let him have it. But unless they can re-carterize the dems, I'm not going to be too interested. If the GOP goes 100% Bushie forever I might have to seek out libertarian looneyland.

But I agree with a rewind to old ideals, less corrupt leaders. I would say the last 9 admins have been week, and the last two were seriously sucking. I objectively think Clinton may have been worse than Bush, on a sheer bodycount principle (clinton around million, bush around 100K) but in long term effect on the US, Bush is seems to be pulling ahead, er... behind.

Anyway,

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 AM

Lim

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Thanks DT, computer virus obscuring Cheney's house is an interesting thought, which leads to thoughts of the possibility of other vectors for the poisoning of the masses (which I had considered and discarded as being just too paranoid). I like plenty of proof to avoid jumping to contusions, so I'll tuck those thoughts away in the 'yuck file' for now. I'm not on board with the child sacrifice fest, though maybe that party is at Rummy's house.

It wasn't a random guess about Cheney. I read that in some news item about how it was done, written from a computer curiosity perspective. So I'm not guessing.

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Nice full-on China rant.

And just so everyone knows, As a Taoist with a lot of by-marriage relatives from China, I'm a big fan of China, and by no means will you hear me on one of those "They're taking our jobs the evil Chinese!" rants. I hate the Chinese govt. much the way I hate the Bush admin. For being evil and destroying its own people, culture and environment, and being a menace to others. It needs to be stopped. Also on my needs to be stopped list are the EU (in present form) and the neocon/socialist bipartisan circle I call "Team Evil" which includes Bush, Cheney, et al. (minus Condi, Powell, and those firees like O'Neill, Whitman etc.) and on the democrat side contains Joementum, the Benator, DiFi, Hillary (and possibly Kerry, Reid, and some others) But Lieberman, Nelson, Feinstein and Clinton comprise the gang of four, like the horsemen of the apocalypse or something. They come to power and I'm wagering we're looking at another million dead.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:08 AM

Curiously, I think we're all closer to the position of Pirate News than we want to admit. Minus the Nazi Jew hating and all. But the key difference is that most of us see conspiracies as forming small, competing and growing through evolution, whereas PN views the conspiracy as one big master plan, as if it were created through intelligent design.

LIMINALOSITY

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:51 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Sub-conscious manipulation can't push you to do things that you consider wrong.

Thanks for the flashing website Cit! But seriously, there is some interesting stuff in there. I do know that I'm not inclined to rob a bank with this sort of a push, unless I'm already inclined to rob banks. That would be a pretty big leap for most people, but things can change when there is heavy exposure to an idea, and multiple forms of conditioning. Of course I'm not saying I think it's easy to turn a regular joe into a monster. That takes pressures closer to what produces the Stockholm Syndrome.
There are more subtle things that can be inserted into visual information that (especially with regular repeated encounters) could at the very least induce fear and paranoia in the viewer. Or get them to buy Froot Loops. (or Fruity Oaty Bars, if anyone thinks I'm going too OT)
Repeated exposure could be dressed in a variety of different packaging and still have an effect. We encounter quite a lot of visual information of this general type every day. Certain types of visual pattern do have some effect on the brain of even a somewhat normal person like me. I get the occasional migraine, which is usually most likely to develop when there are other stresses involved, including psychological stress, food triggers, not enough sleep, blood sugar levels, the usual.

1. High contrast black and white stripes; for example, Venetian blinds against a bright sky.
2. Dim light with low contrast; for example trying to read in a badly lit room.
3. Very bright light shining into the side of the eye.
4. Flashing light at 10 - 60 Hz (for example, a badly adjusted computer screen).
http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/migraine.html
Here's one about photosensitive epilepsy.....
http://www.epilepsymatters.com/english/faqphotosensitive.html#kindsofl
ights

I suppose you'll say 'yes, but, brain differences regarding epileptics in particular...' (using a more Citizen-like tone :).
To which I would say yes, but these are possibly only more extreme manifestations of something most people are susceptible to, the jury's still out on that one. Faramond cites something here about cognitive dissonance, so I won't repeat.

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PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:59 AM

PSYWAR

CIA MKULTRA and OSS/CIA Project Paperclip NAZI Mind Kontrol use all tools.

Subliminals are powerful on the masses when highly repititous an a regular basis. TV "news" networks now use background music and sound effects, such as "an actress faking an orgasm" in popular music, as I heard on one CNN "news" broadcast. To me, that was overt rather than covert, but I wonder how many people recognized what they were hearing?

This technique of mind control uses neuro linguistic programming (NLP), as commonly used by presidential "motivational" guru Tony Robbins, trial lawyers, salemen - and CIA. NLP simply binds one thought (good or bad) to somthing else completely different. Hence CNN binding an "orgasm" to a particular news topic ("anchoring" as Tony Robbins calls it).

The most powerful "psuedo subliminal" is simply the moving hypnotic background on "news" broadcasts. This puts the TV audience into an hypnotic trance, using a particular frequency to achieve a desired mood. This background "noise" serves to anchor the audience's butts to their chairs long enough to get the propaganda to take control of their thinking processes.

Disinfo babes, dressed for success at the Playboy mansion, often with distracting boob-cracks, smile when they want to anchor a particularly devasting bit of bad news, using NLP. Women and fags are mind-controlled by GQ men paid to smile in a calm voice while they deliver the latest lies designed to knock your head off.

For children under 6, rapidly moving images on TV are proven to cause permanent brain damage, by preventing the developing mind from experiencing real life. This prevents the growing synapses from forming connections required for motor control and coordination in complex tasks.

And if it damages children, it probably causes brain-damage in adults. If only by causing Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), whereby if a TV show lacks the hyno background and/or fast-moving "action" images, then the viewer automatically loses interest, regardless of the intellectual content.

It's alleged the movie The Exorcist used subliminals to scare the bejesus out of its captive audience. Sounds of rabbits being slaughtered (a la Waco Massacre), and a voice saying "Someone is at the door", were allegedly added as subliminals. Pictures at 1/50th of a second flashed the preacher's "death mask". I coincidentally used a modified sample from the creepy but hypnotic theme music of The Exercist - Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield - in my music video, "Boners at Bohemian Grove", to perform an "exorcism" on the Molech worshippers in the White House:

Boners at Bohemian Grove - Music by Counter Coup and John Lee with Mike Oldfield, interviews by Democracy Now, Alexandra Robbins and BBC, undercover video by Ron Rosenbaum and Alex Jones at Infowars.com
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

Famous subliminals in movies included product placement of soda and popcorn, to stimulate consumer purchases in movie theatres.

Stores like Chinamart, er, Walmart reportedly manipulate shoppers to not shoplift via subliminals in the background music, which can also be used to stimulate spontaneous sales.

Subliminals have added power when viewers voluntarily provide mind-altering alcohol or drugs, as is common when watching movies at home.

Continual violence serves to desensitize the public to real-world wars and police-state violence, to perhaps reduce their tendency to revolt. And to trigger volunteers for military and police. It also helps trigger violent crimes, which "justifies" a violent police state.

For victims of MKULTRA/NAZI-style torture and drug-raped mind control programs, like River Tam, the tiniest subliminal trigger would have the desired effect to triggering a violent outburst. There are perhaps millions of such victims of violent mind control in USA, being bombarded with subliminals via TV. Does this explain some of the "insane" violence in the real world?

Add flouride to water supplies as a tranquilizer, and this will lower a person's resistance to "sublimi

LIMINALOSITY

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:02 AM

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Originally posted by Faramond:
The official Frankfort School term for this, according to the modern Hegelian dialectic is "cognitive dissonance." It's also why the US press covers so much about hurricanes, avian flu and "global warming"; it's designed to make the populous fearful and panicky, and a panicky herd is easily manipulated.

This technique is used so pervasively it's one of the main reasons I find myself screaming at the car radio, newspaper etc. A healthy dose of John Stewart helps me laugh about it.

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"Ask your doctor about Darnitol" --hey, you know, I'm not even sick, so why am I asking my doctor about anything.

IMO Cleverly disguised direct marketing designed to circumvent a need for the doctor to have read about the product, and engage the 'prescription as closure to the appointment' impulse. And, gosh Faramond, there might be something wrong you didn't even know about...wouldn't you like to be happier?

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I also heard an "expert" talking about the flashing lights on television inducing hypnotic effects. I'm not sure I agree with him, but at the same time, TV, like movies, for me is almost a physical addiction that I get.

I've also heard this a number of times, but the jury's still out weighing evidence. Television has appeal on many levels.
I was at a Halloween party where they'd covered the entire bathroom in tinfoil, put in a strobe instead of regular lighting and cranked some sizzly static filled music. I couldn't get out of there fast enough, so I watched for a while to see other people's reactions. Lots of people wouldn't even walk into it.
Anyway, welcome to the board.

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PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:16 AM

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Originally posted by liminalosity:
I do know that I'm not inclined to rob a bank with this sort of a push, unless I'm already inclined to rob banks. That would be a pretty big leap for most people, but things can change when there is heavy exposure to an idea, and multiple forms of conditioning.

Yeah, be careful if you watch STM too much. If money gets tight, you might wake up and find yourself in a bank with a gun in one hand and a bag of money in the other...

Re photosensitive epilepsy, I witnessed a waitress in Hooters have a seizure on the floor. She had been standing 5 feet away from a rotating/flashing red light. USAF pilots are banned from imbibing products containing Aspartame, which contains phynalalamine (sp?), an amino acid that converts to dopamine, and causes seizures. Waitresses routinely drink large amounts of free diet sodas while working. Did this Hooters girl OD on diet soda? My own wife was Oding on diet sodas at work in a restaurant, and ended up in an ambulance on several occasions. One sip of diet soda was all it took to trigger a heart attack. The cardiologist said he would amputate her pacemaker cells, "as he does for young women all the time", but I got her to just give up diet sodas. Now she's cured.

Moral of the story, don't drink diet sodas while watching flashing lights on TV.

Aspartame also contains formaldehyde and methyl alcohol, brought to you by Monsanto and Sir Donald Rumsfeld Knight of the British Empire, that nice man who gave billions of dollars in WMDs to Saddam, so it MUST be good for you!
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LIMINALOSITY

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:23 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
It wasn't a random guess about Cheney. I read that in some news item about how it was done, written from a computer curiosity perspective. So I'm not guessing.

DT, I wouldn't imagine you'd ever make a random guess unless you clearly prefaced it with 'this is just a random guess', which you'd probably spend at least a random hour on google before saying. But thanks for the clarification.

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"Team Evil" which includes Bush, Cheney, et al. (minus Condi, Powell, and those firees like O'Neill, Whitman etc.) and on the democrat side contains Joementum, the Benator, DiFi, Hillary (and possibly Kerry, Reid, and some others) But Lieberman, Nelson, Feinstein and Clinton comprise the gang of four, like the horsemen of the apocalypse or something.

Oh boy, the powershooters for the Team Evil roster. More thanks.

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DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:18 AM

The leaders of the democratic half of team evil. The republican half are pretty well known by all, being the administration. If you want to see a full list of the evil of the GOP there are 9 senators who voted against the McCain torture ban, they're all pretty close to Bush, and well, voting in favor of torture sort of gives you the evil creds automatically.

I only really follow the Senate. A majority of the House are so corrupt they vote whichever way they're paid to, so even though there are decent congressmen out there, their vote means nothing because they are outnumbered by the corrupt. Corruptions hold in the Senate is much closer to the even mark.

I have a clay pigeon to shoot at this moment. No one said it lately, but people have posted it before, and will again. A large part of why the House is so corrupt is the short cycle. Corruption is very adept at a short term candidacy, because it knows how to buy an election, and woo the people with big advertising to get into office. Then you hear little about what those elected officials do if you don't seek the information out, and in two years, there's not much that they have actually done. One sure fire was to make the world absolutely perfect for the meteoric rise of infinite corruption and grant ourselves a permanent mobocracy is a little piece of legislation that well meaning folk who really don't get how Washington is supposed to work are always recommending:

Term limits.

This is a competitor for the worst idea ever. We would never have officials with actual legislative experience, and we would always only have a direct reflection of the party leadership at a particular time, and so consistant of political party platform would also be completely lost. But the worst part is that it really would become gangster government. Corrupt lobbies would buy seats, and then if that person got exposed as being a total bankrupt slug, they would be replaced almost immediately by another, and we'd be in rapidfire slime forever.

If anyone has any doubt over this, they should look at how often there is an indictment for fraud of a supreme court member, or any other lifetime or long term appointment, or long term office holder like the FED chairman, and then compare those with the house and other short termers. The shorter the term, the more corruption is as clear as black and white.

EOR

LIMINALOSITY

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:44 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
My own wife was Oding on diet sodas at work in a restaurant, and ended up in an ambulance on several occasions. One sip of diet soda was all it took to trigger a heart attack. The cardiologist said he would amputate her pacemaker cells, "as he does for young women all the time", but I got her to just give up diet sodas. Now she's cured.

Sorry to hear about your wife. People, even doctors sometimes fall into the trap of 'I can so I will'. It pays to be nice to your chemical balance, there is a lot of seemingly innocuous stuff out there that can level you by just giving you a little push. Dopamine, you need, in balance. That recipe DT posted for you way up there will be a thing he probably spent thousands of hours figuring out. I've been realizing all sorts of things it could help with since I read that post.

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Moral of the story, don't drink diet sodas while watch flashing lights on TV.

Lol I never touch diet soda, not much tv either. Computer though, and some of the emoties : blast: bug me. See, it's everywhere, not just in River's chair.

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Aspartame also contains formaldehyde and methyl alcohol

I had a roomie who went to the Desert Storm party, and I've heard stories and personal research related to that nightmare. Aspartame over 140 degrees turns deadly, and they left all those cases of diet soda for the troups sitting stacked on pallets in the hot sun all day long. It also messes with your blood sugar, it's bad for diabetics, maybe worse than sugar, and has plenty of other assorted 'side' effects. Bad stuff. As worse as it gets for something that's available within spitting distance of wherever you stand.

To drag this back in the general direction of topic...I don't imagine the Alliance had much on us in the use of idiotic chemicals for the soldiers to drink. I imagine the Browncoats mostly ate dirt. Bankrobbing I leave to Tanya, I mean Patty...and to Mal and River.

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PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:07 AM

YOUR INSANE GOVT WANTS TO ARREST ALL FIREFLYFANS WHO USE SECRET CODENAMES!

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Create an e-annoyance, go to jail

Declan McCullagh
CNet
January 10 2006

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

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DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:32 AM

Hmm, but how will they know who I am if I don't post who I am?

Fortunately for us, we don't live in a socialist state, a theocracy or a monarchy, but a constitutional state which has a judicial branch. This means that any law which is unjust can be contested, and this looks like a law which would definitely not stand up under scrutiny.

I had an ex-gf who was seriously deranged, and kept stalking me on the web, showing up in forums and places I posted with new personas and f^&king with me. Her basic thought was that I was going to marry her, and just didn't know it yet, and she'd trick me in to that somehow online. Anyway, she kept showing up for years. I thought at first I was paranoid, but then I learned to ask test questions, like "how is persephone doing?" or something, and she would always answer with "the feline leukemia hasn't progressed" or some such, clearly not noticing that she hadn't told me about the cat in this persona, so I had pretty much proof it was just her over and over again. This is I'm sure what's meant by this law.

If someone tries to arrest someone for random trolling, it will go to the supreme court and become a first amendment case and the law will be overturned.

Ps. PN, I'm serious that you should consider the posibility that you are making yourself sick. Your last several posts have been much more normal. I'm sorry if I reacted hostily, but you're endless posts about the evil jews were vicariously offensive in the way that endless posts about the evils of blacks would be. Some of the writing on your site reads like a manic rant also, and others is more calm. None of this is going to help you win arguments or attract people to your point of view. This could be a symptom of the GWS, but it could also be connected to diet or to the medication you're taking. Antibiotics, for example, can block serotonin synthesis by killing your own healthy bacteria. I don't pretend to have the answers for everything, but I do know a fair amount about this. Just some thoughts.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Hmm, but how will they know who I am if I don't post who I am?

Cybergeeks can track back to your PC, not to mention police and NSA. I'm sure there are freeware programs or online websites that can find a PC's home address for free. Anyone with an associates degree in computer science can probably do it. It's like tracing a phone call.

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Fortunately for us, we don't live in a socialist state, a theocracy or a monarchy, but a constitutional state which has a judicial branch. This means that any law which is unjust can be contested, and this looks like a law which would definitely not stand up under scrutiny.

I've got 3 pro se lawsuits pending right now in state and fed courts, civil and criminal, plaintiff, defendant and prosecutor. The Law has nothing to do with lawsuits, from my personal experience, both pro se and when hiring lawyers and prosecuting crimes. Gangsta Govt cares nothing about The Law. The entire "justice system" is built upon a foundation of lies, fraud and bluff. "Selective enforcement" lets Gangsta Govt perp any crime it wants, while enslaving the sheeple.

It cost's $100,000 to win a lawsuit and appeals in an average lawsuit, and you have to pay $10,000s of your lawyer's "expenses" even when you lose, contrary to the lies by Media Mafia about "tort reform". Less than 1% of people can afford to fight a court battle and win. It often takes 10 to 30-years to overturn an unconstituional law, using a single lawsuit, appeals, retrials, appeals, retrials, appeals, mediation and settlement.

This new law is like the so-called USAPATRIOT Act - congress is not allowed to read it, reps are extorted to vote for it by their whips, and you know for sure Bush didn't read it before he signed it.

No matter how unconstitutional it is, They don't care. Plus, this is statutory law, which is contract law, so the constitution does NOT apply, as any judge will be willing to scream at you in court, since you "volunteered" for this slave contract via your many signed contracts with US "govt". To win this game, you must argue contract law (UCC/USC), and use rules of procedure in court, and fight you way back to constitutional law, by proving you were conned under duress and fraud by Gangsta Govt, and their slave contract is thus void. That's why 30-million illegal aliens have more legal rights (and more Constituional rights) than US citizens.

"You can't stop the signal!"
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CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:12 AM

Saints and ministers of grace defend us from schitzophrenic Americans who think it's worth filling lawsuits for everything.

A birds just shat on your car, PN, better go sue it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Faramond:
The whole situation with River Tam is an obvious call to the CIA's MK Ultra mind control project involving a combination of torture, rape and psychotropic drugs in order to fragment the mind, started in the 50's and continued on beyond the eighties. The end result, oddly enough, is almost dead-on River Tam, a 75 pound little girl with a photographic memory able to kill people with her bare hands, except that River is fiction, and this stuff actually happened.

For more on the subject, read the book "For Reasons of National Security" by Cathy O'Brien

"Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko"

I've not yet purchased "For Reasons of National Security" by Cathy O'Brien, but it's on my hit list. Does it involve lots of court documents from Tennessee Juvenile Courts?

I do have her first book, "Trance Formation of America", and have her lecture in Michigan on video. Since Dick Cheney personally offered my wife a job in 1992, to work for him as Secretary of Defense at Pentagon, I'm VERY glad she decided to retire and turned down that job from that pervert. Either he would have killed her or we would have killed him in self defense, or arrested him at least, I suspect. My wife's side of the family has that sort of "Michigan Mafia" in its past, with her pedophile grandfather, mixed in with Al Capone's Chicago gang and Catholic freaks, just like O'Brien. What doesn't kill you either makes you stronger, or...

Since I'm from Tennessee, O'Brien's book hits very close to home, and I can personally verify it from many directions. My dad was on the Dream Team of 100 lawyers that first sued Bush Sr White House under RICO Act for narcoterrorist bombings, to start off the Iran-Contra trials and hearings. My dad told several stories that I never read in the news, about some of the shocking court confessions by Bush's drug-running ambassador in Costa Rica. I wish he would write a book about it, but instead he shredded most of his files when I started trying to research it for my own news articles. O'Brien was right on the money, at least about the Bush/Reagan drug running and serial killing. Pedophilia, rape and torture is just a "normal" part of that lifestyle.

We lived in England with USAF during Iran-Contra, and I don't recall the British media covering that topic very much, probably because Bush worked for the Queen in the CIA/MI6 drug biz, a modern version of the Opium Wars. My dad didn't talk about it unless liquered up. He's in several secret societies with death oaths, so he can keep a secret pretty well - too well, I suspect. Loyal opposition?

O'Brien's MPD/DID certainly explains how those monsters can live with their consciences after genociding innocent people, since they literally can't find their own consciences.

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FLETCH2

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:50 AM

We covered Iran/Contra, but only from the POV of Reagan's culpability. As far as I'm aware nobody ever suggested that Bush was involved.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Saints and ministers of grace defend us from schitzophrenic Americans who think it's worth filling lawsuits for everything.

A birds just shat on your car, PN, better go sue it.

Spoken like a true slave.

Case #1: So when a robber steals your car, you would just let him keep it, and refuse to file criminal charges? That's very generous of you. Actually, it's two cars, a Class D felony valued at $7,500, plus $500,000 fine since it involves corporate crime and racketeering.

Case #2: When you get disabled, and the insurance company refuses to pay on your insurance policy that you already paid for, you would let that insurance company defraud you of $300,000?

Case #3: You would volunteer for 30 days in a Death Camp for the victimless "crime" of safely driving to shop for Christimas gifts? In the alternative, you would tell a carjacker: "Gee, Mr Carjacker, here's my hard-earned $500. You keep it and do whatever you want with it. I'm your slave for life. You have my permission to rob me at gunpoint any time you feel like it. I have no rights, and you are a god. I know there is no law that you have to obey, and that I have no Constitutionally guaranteed God-given Natural Rights, nor do I have any statutory contract rights. I promise not to criminally prosecute you for the crimes I eyewitnessed you commit."

But I refuse to be a slave. And I enjoy winning in competitive spectator sporting events, which is what a trial is, or was, before TV was invented, when people would go watch REAL trials, not pulp fiction from hollywood.

I also enjoy filing criminal charges against gangstas in Gangsta Govt, and watching them squirm as I personally grill them on the witness stand. Very empowering. Then I enjoy watching them get fired from their jobs for their crimes I exposed. It's just part of being a good citizen. You should try it sometime - you might like it.

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FLETCH2

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:09 AM

So trying to translate back into normal people language.

1) You had a car repossessed?

2) You live in a country with weak insurance regulation and then wonder why they refuse your claims?

3) You were stopped driving without a licence, and sentenced to 30 days, which you feel is unfair because you have a God given right to drive?

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
We covered Iran/Contra, but only from the POV of Reagan's culpability. As far as I'm aware nobody ever suggested that Bush was involved.

Reagan was never in the game. Bush Sr ran the show, after his buddy's son "shot" Reagan, two months after their inaugeration coup. John Hinkley Sr was CIA and in the oil biz. John Hinkley Jr's brother was scheduled to have dinner with the Bush family the week Reagan was shot, as reported in Texas newspapers and confirmed by White House press releases and the Bush family. Last month, Hinkley Jr was granted leave from the "loony bin" to spend weekends at his parent's house, unsupervised. Do a search on www.google.com for "Neil Bush John hinkley Jr dinner Reagan"

Bush's CIA buddies perped treason against Carter by paying the Iranians to hold the hostages until Bush's inaugeration day, according to Reagan's daughter Patti Davis and Carter's staff. The "October Surprise".

Reagan didn't even recognize his own son Michael at his high school graduation in 1970s, wrote Reagan's drug-dealing stripper daughter Patti Davis in "The Way I see It", so how could he have anything to do with being president in 1980s? He was just an actor with alzheimers.

But Reagan did enjoy pedophilia, raping, drug-running and serial killing CIA MKULTRA sex slaves with Bush and Cheney, according to O'Brien and others, and the Tennessee Juvenile Courts and many other courts and Congressional hearings sealed the Bush/Reagan crime records "for reasons of national security". Watch Reagan's last B-movie, when he played a mobster, and you get a tiny, tiny idea of the "real" Reagan, NOT "the gipper" PR spin.

I've got a large library of history books on the crimes of Bush Sr, Sir Knight of the British Empire. Kerry's Iran-Contra Committee Hearings take up 35 volumes. The House Iran-contra Report is still classified Top Secret. Reagan and Bush were mobsters, working for international mobsters, to overthrow USA via NAFTA, which just opened the floodgates for drugs, slavery, 100-million illegal aliens and export of jobs (acts of WAR).

Note that porn star O'Brien doesn't cut Clinton any slack either, since Bush Sr and Clinton are best friends and biz partners, and she names Bill and Hillery as drug-using homos from personal experience. O'Brien was one of the sex slaves in the Necrophilia Room at Bohemian Grove presidential nudist colony. The Hollywood movie "Teddy Bear's Picnic" paints a happy false image of O'Brien's sex-slavery Bohemian Grove.

What's hilarious is that people actually worship presidents as gods, and worship govt as a god. Like so many things in life, that's counter-intuitive and counter productive. I used to make that mistake, too. Now I understand why lemmings jump off cliffs.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
So trying to translate back into normal people language.

1) You had a car repossessed?

Both my cars were fully paid for, and I had clear title. Both were legally parked on private property, one on my personal property, the other at a car dealership in its parking lot.

No parking tickets were ever issued, so no court hearings of any kind (no due process), even though police ordered the first car towed. Police denied that they towed the car when i called them. I later got a copy of the police radio dispatch tape where the cop admitted my car was legally parked.

Both cars were stolen by towing companies (professional car thieves and chop shops), who denied they towed the cars for 2 months, and the cars were listed as stolen in police NCIC database.

After 6 weeks, I got a tow bill for $750 (mail fraud, theft and a dozen other felonies). In the 2nd theft, I never got a bill, but when I found my car, they refused to hand me a bill, then said on my videotape the bill was $1,500.

We filed two class actions (and I found 35 other car-theft victims to join my case), but my lawyer (my dad) got 2 guns put to his head and told they would "blow his brains out", so he dismissed the class actions 2 months later. Police did not investigate that "mugging", and no arrests were made.

Now I've filed criminal charges, but the police and prosecutors work with this mafia gang, and refuse to arrest these professional car thieves and chop shoppers who also are convicted of a prior cop killing in this town. I'll either hire a special prosecutor, or make citizen's arrests, or testify to grand jury.

If you ever get a car stolen, here's how to find it - you can read all about it here:
http://geocities.com/towcrime
http://geocities.com/parking_ticket_appeal

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2) You live in a country with weak insurance regulation and then wonder why they refuse your claims?

It's the US Gangsta Govt's Social Security Disability Ponzi Scheme Program. My wife already had her USAF pension stolen, as done to 95% of all disabled retired military veterans. But illegal aliens living in Mexico can retire on US Social Security pensions after only 3 years, and US govt will mail their pension checks to Mexico.

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3) You were stopped driving without a licence, and sentenced to 30 days, which you feel is unfair because you have a God given right to drive?

I do have a God-given constitutionally protected Natural Right to Travel. "Driving" is for commercial drivers "For Hire" in interstate commerce.

I do have a valid govt driver license, with no "points on my record", and i was driving normally and safely, with no other cars in sight, no crash, no injury, no property damage, no "crime", no "victim". I was not accused of "speeding". I am accused of a "thought crime", a "pre-crime", a "victimless crime" (an oxymoron). Every time you drive your car, you perpetrate dozens of criminal misdemeanors, each with a prison sentence of a minimum 30 days in jail, and up to $1,000 fine and court costs. This is the insane 30,000-page "motor vehicle code" that is the "fine print" of every "driver license" slave contract that you "volunteer" for (under duress and under fraudulent misrepresentation which voids any contract).

But no US traffic cop is allowed to arrest any of the 30-million illegal criminal aliens currently in USA, who BTW happen to cause most fatal car crashes in USA, plus rapes, robberies, drug running, ID theft, welfare profiteering and fraud, as well as stealing millions of jobs and spending the money in Mexico. My state of Tennessee actually invites illegal aliens to get "driver certificates" here (not "driver licenses" unless they have a passport), and even prints its Driver License Handbook entirely in Spanish!

I look forward to grilling the cop on the witness stand. I look forward to filing criminal charges against the cop for the Class C misdemeanors I witnessed him perpetrate. I have a good chance to get that cop fired from his jo

CITIZEN

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by Pirate'Misses the point completely'News:
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Originally posted by citizen:
Saints and ministers of grace defend us from schitzophrenic Americans who think it's worth filling lawsuits for everything.

A birds just shat on your car, PN, better go sue it.

Spoken like a true slave.

That comment was aimed at your suggestion that you'd bring cases against those that made you feel bad in this thread. But since you think that's reasonable would you like to settle out of court for your implication that I am stupid.

I have preserved the original text in case you decide to change it.

It has caused me sever mental trauma, worth at least £10,000.

Just because I don’t agree with the sad American idea that if anything goes wrong in your life someone else is to blame and should pay you cashy money doesn’t mean that I think we should throw away the court system total. That I leave to you, I’m sure it’s run by Commie-Nazi-Jews, right?

But while we're on the subject I'm at a loss to explain how you think drawing a court case that will either be thrown out of court as frivolous, lost, or very unlikely won, but either way no one will hear about, makes you less of a slave than someone who takes part in a massive public demonstration that appears in national news?

Really, can't see your logic there at all, if it does, indeed, exist.

What I also don't understand is the attitude that driving is a right, not a privilge, but access to health care is a privilige, not a right?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
But while we're on the subject I'm at a loss to explain how you think drawing a court case that will either be thrown out of court as frivolous, lost, or very unlikely won, but either way no one will hear about, makes you less of a slave than someone who takes part in a massive public demonstration that appears in national news?

Yes, I enjoy watching a big protest, when it's not hijacked by communists, anarchists and govt provocateurs. No, I don't enjoy watching Gangsta Govt ignore the will of the people, and continue perping their crimes.

None of my cases are frivolous.
They are winnable.
The towcrime cases got over a dozen news articles published and broadcast about them.

You are very generous to career criminals.
Are you a member of the mafiya?

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What I also don't understand is the attitude that driving is a right, not a privilge, but access to health care is a privilige, not a right?

You would trust your life to Dr Shipman?
You would trust your life to Dr Mengele?
You call iatrogenocide "health care"?

Do you need permission to go to work?
Do you need permission to buy food?
Do you need permission to go to the loo?
Do you need permission to live?

What is it that you admire about FF & STM, the Alliance, The Operative, their mind kontrol and their genocide?

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