The Movie Sucked

POSTED BY: adlai
UPDATED: Monday, January 9, 2006 06:36
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J6NGO1977

Saturday, January 7, 2006 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Omelet:
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Originally posted by adlai:

Btw, I saw the movie last night on dvd for the first time. Not to flog a dead horse, but if the movie had had more of the Firefly humor, it would have done much better.

If you read my earlier post, you would learn that Serenity had to be a darker film because we are dealing with River's past. Not only that, but Mal is also becoming quite darker than the Firefly Mal. The film had to be darker because the Alliance is a dark place filled with these experiments to further their utopian society and keep themselves safe, as demonstrated by the program that River was in, in Serenity. The Blue Sun group, if you noticed their sign on Miranda, was part of that group that made the Reavers who they are. Not only that, but they made River who she is; a crazy psychic killing machine. This movie ain't about sunshine and lolipops. What was eating River's sanity up was a very dark secret kept by the heads of the Alliance. During Firefly, it was okay to have River be considered the crazy girl, because we didn't know what was exactly done to her and it was actually funny to her. Now, her sanity is leaving her more rapidly and leading the crew to the truth. There were some funny moments in the film, the Oh God, Oh God we're all gonna die line by Wash was funny, but they were there to keep the film from becoming too dark and depressing, which is like Joss because he loves to add humor to dangerous situations. Remember one thing next time you watch this movie, it isn't Firefly.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

Yep I agree. You hit the nail on the head. Serenity aint Firefly. As I said before If I was stranded on a desert island with a DVD player (it was in a water tight case. don't argue .lol) and I had a choice between Serenity and 1 episode of Firefly. Give me 'Out of Gas' every time

OMELET

Saturday, January 7, 2006 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by j6ngo1977:
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Originally posted by Omelet:
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Originally posted by adlai:

Btw, I saw the movie last night on dvd for the first time. Not to flog a dead horse, but if the movie had had more of the Firefly humor, it would have done much better.

If you read my earlier post, you would learn that Serenity had to be a darker film because we are dealing with River's past. Not only that, but Mal is also becoming quite darker than the Firefly Mal. The film had to be darker because the Alliance is a dark place filled with these experiments to further their utopian society and keep themselves safe, as demonstrated by the program that River was in, in Serenity. The Blue Sun group, if you noticed their sign on Miranda, was part of that group that made the Reavers who they are. Not only that, but they made River who she is; a crazy psychic killing machine. This movie ain't about sunshine and lolipops. What was eating River's sanity up was a very dark secret kept by the heads of the Alliance. During Firefly, it was okay to have River be considered the crazy girl, because we didn't know what was exactly done to her and it was actually funny to her. Now, her sanity is leaving her more rapidly and leading the crew to the truth. There were some funny moments in the film, the Oh God, Oh God we're all gonna die line by Wash was funny, but they were there to keep the film from becoming too dark and depressing, which is like Joss because he loves to add humor to dangerous situations. Remember one thing next time you watch this movie, it isn't Firefly.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

Yep I agree. You hit the nail on the head. Serenity aint Firefly. As I said before If I was stranded on a desert island with a DVD player (it was in a water tight case. don't argue .lol) and I had a choice between Serenity and 1 episode of Firefly. Give me 'Out of Gas' every time

Thank you. I agree completely, except I would choose Objects in Space for the sheer fact that Simon looks fantastic without his shirt on.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

CHRISISALL

Saturday, January 7, 2006 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by adlai:
The quirkyness of the series is entirely absent in the movie.

"You want to run this ship?!"
What was the answer to Mal's question? And what did he reply to that with?
Non-sequeter, your facts are un-co-ord-ina-ted.
It WAS quirky, and it WAS western-y (and BTW, IT WAS GREAT).
Did you also not like Objects In Space because Mal got beat up and knocked out- it never happened before that!
Did you dislike Ariel for it's lack of horses?

You know, I'm gonna go all purist myself and say that only the pilot is real 'Firefly', everything else is an abberation or perversion of the original idea (ie, no change or growth allowed).

Really, what did you want, a movie with no tension or climax? A long re-make of Train Job but with an extended campfire scene?

(come to think of it, I do like campfire scenes)Chrisisall

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, January 8, 2006 2:08 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You know, I'm gonna go all purist myself and say that only the pilot is real 'Firefly', everything else is an abberation or perversion of the original idea (ie, no change or growth allowed).

There is actually some truth to that. The episodes of series, after Serenity, and the movie were all significantly lighter than the original vision. I'd point you to Inara's intended encounter with the Reavers if I remembered the link.

Clearly the movie was far too much of a happy-cheery sugar-coated affair to be worthy of the Firefly crew and fans.

ADLAI

Sunday, January 8, 2006 2:53 AM

I actually thought that Objects in Space was probably the strongest episode (well, maybe aside from the pilot).

Whedon's strength is his unconventional writing, like how he breaks conventional structure (though I believe Tim Minear wrote Objects in Space... ) anyways, I suspect that Whedon decided to "play it safe" in writing Serenity. I can understand why, but I'm still disappointed.

GEDEON

Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:02 AM

Wow, with all these people responding, I just hope somebody noticed the kid has a point. We all love the 'verse so much, expectations were perhaps too high. Then again, some people don't watch the news because they don't want to know...

Gedeon

CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:

Clearly the movie was far too much of a happy-cheery sugar-coated affair to be worthy of the Firefly crew and fans.

That scene in Serenity where all those cuddly space-bunnies made friends with the Alliance soldiers and got them to stop chasing Mal out of sheer goodness of the soul killed it for me.

It's too dark.
It's too light.
Sheesh, it ain't easy bein' Joss, I guess.

Chrisisall!

ADLAI

Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:29 AM

I'm watching it a second time. I don't mind the changes so much the 2nd time around... but I have to say that it still pales in comparison to the series.

A few more things. Why is Jayne suddenly so smart? He has actuall comebacks to the captain like "when have your plans ever gone right?"

And since when did they get a nifty little hovercraft? especially if they're running out of money. Firefly of old was charming because it was spaceships corralling cattle, where after they landed they rode horses.

also, quick plothole: if Reavers are so hyper aggressive, how do they get so organized in the first place that they don't kill each other?

Although, I have been too hard on the movie. It is vastly superior to the new Star Wars movies, though I've never seen Star Trek movies. It is better than the Farscape miniseries. Much, much better than the miniseries.

if this helps, The New Republic has a glowing review of Serenity (site's down right now, just do a search) though I think that the critic was a Firefly virgin.

I still don't like the new direction of the series though. When it becomes one of those "fate of the galaxy" type shows, it automatically becomes more Sci-fi. Again, Firefly was a Western with some Sci-Fi dressings. Whedon himself criticized sci-fi (in one of the Firefly DVD extras) as "stand back and look"

In one of the extras, he says that the inspiration for Firefly was a Civil War book.

one more thing. Action without emotional context is just dance. I (and most peopl) find watching dance extremely boring.

ADLAI

Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:39 AM

one more thing. look at this

http://www.slate.com/id/2127162/

and then this

http://imdb.com/name/nm0923736/

He's a much better TV writer than a movie writer. The rule is Film is the realm of the director and TV the realm of the writer, and reality the realm of the casting director.

His movie credits include Alien 4 and Titan AE. Both space sci-fi epics dealing with spaceships and stuff... Serenity shows a more sci-fi turn, unfortunately. If a new series were announced I'd still probably tune in... Firefly truly is dead though

NISKAANDEBERT

Sunday, January 8, 2006 5:03 AM

The movie took off from where the series ended. Joss obviously wanted to create closure. The major cliffhange left by the series was"what is the deal with River?" Myself--I loved seeing River get to kick some serious ass. As far as killing off wash and Book--JW knew it was a feature film--and his last chance--there would be no sequel. He had to make it interesting for people who'd never seen the series--like me.

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