The Movie Sucked

POSTED BY: adlai
UPDATED: Monday, January 9, 2006 06:36
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FIREFLYPASSENGER

Saturday, January 7, 2006 5:35 AM

Ooooooh yay. I haven't been here in a long time. I love this edit function.

May Serenity Keep Flying.

DRAVAS

Saturday, January 7, 2006 5:40 AM

The gloves have come on everyone is rushing to the defense. One person can look at the Mona Lisa and say the love it while another person can look at it and say its a bunch of crap.

NOTE: Point of view no realivance that I like or do not like the Mona Lisa and should be used as a referance and example.

so if you are a bit shady some of the aspects of why things changed lets go into them.

We never seen the core worlds just tiny glimpsys of the core...The hospitol job, and the antique laser gun job. There may be more but they do not come to mind right now.

As for working complicated garande let me introduce you to the united states claymore which has written on it "point toward enemy". All weapons have thier instruction manuals and are made to be used by the simplist soilder, which around 18-23 with an average IQ of Janye. So is it beyond Simon and Inra to work anytype of weapon.

As for the punch and fighting... WOW one punch ... thats all I seen him do though out the movie. Simon supresses his emotions when you do that a long time you snap and when you snap you get violent and being a geeky guy Simon's violence is one punch.

Planing ops is not beyond Simon being a doctor in the core worlds and using all his money, playing pretend and paying for the stun garnade and a ship to risk to transport them out is not beyond his capacity.

No cowboys and guns...Strange beginning then... anyways the fact that cowboysim is not a major part is because we are dealing more with the core worlds. Just think of this movie as a ep in a core world.

Mal the darker mal. He lost inra, he lost the sheapered and his guidance. Kinda why he was on edge in the begining of the movie. Mal is also a man of war you only see him go dark after New Heaven is attacked. Before that he tells us that when he goes to war you will know. He was going to war after the attack and you see he was durning the war the darker version, the one that lost all but one in his platoon in the battle of Serenity.

As for wash meeting his maker trust me it hurt as for a inapporate death define an approate death to me.

I enjoyed the movie not everyone is going to like it, but let it be and lets not argue the point.

Remember

Some People Juggle Geese

NOSADSEVEN

Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:08 AM

Adlai, I'm curious to know how long ago you saw the movie, and how many times. I definately had a period of adjustment to get used to it. I saw an advanced screening back in June, and when the US poster was released I remember people who hadn't seen the movie yet complaining that the poster didn't reflect Firefly's warmth. I remember thinking, "Well, I really couldn't describe Serenity as warm." So I get that "cold" feeling you mention.

That being said, I have really grown to love and appreciate the movie. The change in tone and pace from Firefly was so jarring to me at first, that I felt like it was missing it's soul. But after (months later) having the chance to see it again (and again, and again...), I noticed many of those little moments and "swirls" that I had missed the first time.

Anyway, the changes in tone are due to differing nature (and demands) of movies vs. tv shows. It was the constraints of telling a 2 season story arc with nine distinct characters in 2 hours to fans and newbies alike to blame, not heavy-handed execs. (Unless you're referring to the FOX execs that killed Firefly in the first place.)

Anyway, if you get a chance to see it more, and digest it more, you may gain a different perpective of it. If you already have seen it multiple times over the course of months, and still have problems, well, then we can debate!

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Ain't. We. Just.

SNEAKER98

Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:29 AM

Umm...

They essentially robbed a BANK in the opening. I can't really think of anything more western... except perhaps the quickdraw standoff between Mal and The Operative.

I suggest, the next time you watch Firefly, you start noticing the difference between the Core and the Outer worlds. Pay close attention to Ariel; it's Western element is very, very sparse because they're in "civilized space".

As for Wash's death, well that was the moment Joss went "Look, this isn't Star Trek.". And also the moment I went "Thank you!"

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds

ITSBROKEN

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:06 AM

I see that there is no ranting on this post yet which is very good considering the title seems like it is inviting flamers. However i do suggest putting SPOILER across the top cause as it was said, some people havent seen the movie yet. just to be curtious

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Geeze i want Firefly to come back!

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WASTEGATE13

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:21 AM

Wouldn't it be weird if they pulled a Macross and Serenity was actually a movie in the FireFly verse? I don't know how many of you are familiar with Anime but Shoji Kawamori did this with his series and the later film. He explained it as being "a theatrical retelling of the events of Macross". Perhaps Serenity is a "theatrical retelling" of a period in the life of our BDH's, a little dramatized and exaggerated to make it more appealing to a mainstream audience. Just something to think about.

"Jayne's a girl's name."

ANDRE83

Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:02 PM

Well, personally i think the fact that you even mention Wash just makes your whole argument flawed. Personally i think you are just mad because he died.

Like so many was - which is stupid imo. His death had a great impact - so it served its purpose.

Go play with your rainstick.

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

LOCRAY

Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:37 PM

I have something to say about Simon and about the killing of Wash leading to less jokes and fun...

If you have not noticed, Simon is not only the little geek he seems to be. When he is comfortable he is actually quite funny. You notice him becoming more and more comfortable as the series move on, and him also delivering more jokes. The contrast is especially clear in Pilot, where he is extremely "uncomfortable" (didn't come up with a better word) during the entire episode. But then, when he's going to fix Kaylie (how the hell did you spell that again?) he even stands up to Mal, because he is in his "homefield", in a nursery. Where he feels at home, and in there he feels comfortable.

The ship feels more and more home for him during the show and he becomes less and less geeky. So he hits the captain. So he delivers some more jokes. So him, plus a possible new character (to become the pilot of Serenity?) could way up for the loss of Wash when it comes to jokes.

Other than that, the movie was definetly not as good as the series. It was too... too... too Hollywood, everything packed together on what felt like minimum time and maximum action and happenings. Though I still loved the movie, it just didn't live up to the series.

CAPTKAR

Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:49 PM

One thing everybody has to understand is that the movie was made that way on purpose. The characters were supposed to be darker because they were pushed to the raggedy edge, not alot of jobs going to 'em, Books gone so they don't really have that same decision making ability they had when he was on the ship, and Inara is gone so Kaylee (the happiness and warmth of the crew) doesnt have that "friend-to-go-to".

Also the movie was supposed to be a faster paced more SciFi oriented movie, because Joss hoped that the people going to the movies and seeing Serenity would be more people than just the loyal Browncoats. Making the movie faster/more action-packed would hopefully draw more people to the FF/Serenity verse, thus sperring on more support for another movie or hopefully another series (not Firefly because as Joss said it was over) but maybe a Serenity series.

Finally the movie is over and done with (meaning its already been made and showed) so theres no need to start some arguments about whether or not you liked it much less throwing around insults or God-Forbid trollage, just state your peace and go on about your eerie ass day.

Thanks for listening to my hopefully not ill-fated attempts at making peace and my opinion on the movie

-When you can't run you crawl, and when you can't crawl you find someone to carry you-

CAUSAL

Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by adlai:
Except that he doesn't show anger at all during the duration of the series. This sudden anger is new and forced (perhaps also a result of Fillion playing a villain in Angel during the interim period?)

Now I'm starting to wonder if you've even seen the series. Mal gets mad:

Serenity Parts 1 & 2
He decks Simon in the cargo bay.
He punches Simon for suggesting that he should be working for the Alliance.
He shoots Patience's horse, sticks a gun in her face, and takes the purse ("I do the job, then I get paid").

The Train Job
Kicking Crow into the engine? Hello?

Bushwhacked
Clearly upset when Commander Harken accuses him of killing the settlers, not believing that Reavers killed them.

Shindig
Mal coldcocks Atherton Wing for implying that Inara is a whore. Oh, and point of interest, stabs him twice after winning the duel.

Our Mrs. Reynolds
Whacks Saffron in the side of the head with the gun.

Out of Gas
He's pretty clearly upset when talking to Captain of the Walden (who shot him in the gut), after he's found the gun and turned the tables on the other crew.

Ariel
Seems a mite angry at Jayne, who turned on his crew.

War Stories
When he's beating up Niska he seems pretty pissed.

Trash
After Monty's ship leaves, the whole exchange with Saffor/Bridgit makes it pretty clear that he's been harboring some anger toward her ever since she hijiacked his ship and tried to kill them all.

Heart of Gold
After Burgess has shot Nandi, Mal chases and catches up with him. Beats him up, then lets Petaline shoot him in cold blood.

Is that enough to demonstrate that Mal has always had some anger to him?

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