The Movie Sucked

POSTED BY: adlai
UPDATED: Monday, January 9, 2006 06:36
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CAPTKAR

Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:21 PM

Going along with the whole anger-issue in Serenity. It would make Mal seem in-human and more or less robotic if he didnt get angry when:

1) he gets punched in the face after they all come back safe from a near death experience with Reavers

2) He gets the percent upgrade for the middle-man so he loses money

3) Seemingly his crew begins to turn on him when he says Simon is gone and he dont care

4) Book gets killed be the Operative

5) He finds out the Alliance which he hates so mush created Reavers by trying to force people to be more peaceful just like they did with the war

6) and finally he gets stabbed with a sword. I think that would piss anybody off dont you.

If anybody could go through all that and not show one hint of emotion they wouldnt be human. Or they would be a Sociopath which i dont think Mal is.

-When you can't run you crawl, and when you can't crawl you find someone to carry you-

PDCHARLES

Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:39 PM

OK.. Serenity <> Sucky Movie..

Are u out of your mind? (still a non-flaming opinion respecter) The movie took some very obvious turns that would have inevitably played out in the series and the “extra” dialog for non-firefly fans was short and sweet. There was not enough time to get ALL western on ya. It would not have made sense to have Miranda be a poor outer moon or the have reavers chillin’ in a saloon playin’ Faro.

Hey if we didn’t have Simon getting all, as u say, “secret operative”, we would have no River. He gave us an executive summary of an explanation in the series of how he got her out. This doesn’t seem so out of the norm. Having the real alliance operative in the movie explain the “look of love” on his face really defines Simon I think.

And thanx Casual and Captkar
Mal = Anger… (Not defining him as one-dimensional) a character trait I would have expected in the movie.

U gonna be smart here Riva!?!

CAPTKAR

Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:43 PM

I love it when im not the only "voice-of-reason" hehe

-When you can't run you crawl, and when you can't crawl you find someone to carry you-

ADLAI

Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:16 PM

You know, the extras did make me laugh... the outtakes were hillarious too. The one moment when Nathan Fillion is ordering the crew to adorn the ship with bodies... he goes to Kaylee and is like, "I want the baby Jesus on the top" or something like that with a straight face, and she just starts cracking up.

The cast realized how forced and silly the script was also.

Btw, I saw the movie last night on dvd for the first time. Not to flog a dead horse, but if the movie had had more of the Firefly humor, it would have done much better.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:07 PM

Something here is pissing me off, and it isn’t that someone said the movie sucked (though that irks too.)

Simon in the series was a guy who would jump off a catwalk, or get into a fistfight with a well trained armed bounty hunter after he (Simon) had already been shot. He was the sort of guy who was willing to die by fire or risk Kaylee’s life for River.

We’ve always known he would punch Mal if the occasion warranted because he has never been afraid to die (something we have known from the first episode) and Mal isn’t the type to do anything worse than kill him.

If I had to pick something as out of character it would be that he didn't kill the doctors. Given how far he is willing to go and what they did to River it would only make sense to kill them. However the series clearly showed that he was not a killer at that point, while he might kill for River he had not done it yet.

Of course that really shows how not-badass Simon was in the intro, he went into a place and made sure that he wasn't carrying a single lethal weapon. Which is really exactly what we expect from the Simon of the series, he'll jump off a catwalk knowing full well that such a fall could easily kill or cripple him, but he'll hesitate to pull the trigger. Truely this is the kind of guy who would walk into a facility where they would kill him if they found him out, but not use lethal force while there.

If you missed the point, the thing that at first seems out of character to me is totally in character, and I can not think of anything else that even seems out of character for him.

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Originally posted by Lookatthatbird:
And since when is Mal so angry?

Watch the episode Serenity again. Mal was like that in the beginning of the series.

Of course the entire movie was a happy cheery version of Mal when compared to the end of Ariel.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:20 PM

Oh, a little "by the way" here.

Nathan Fillion never appeared on Angel. You're thinking of Buffy which was a very different show. (Buffy's goal was to kill demons; Angel's was to save the innocent. They used the same method, but the distinction created very different dynamics.)

While no one here will ever demand you watch either show (being a Firefly fan does not require it) it would be nice if you would make sure you speak the truth, little falsehoods make you seem troll-like because they imply that you do not care about what you are saying.

I’m not calling you a troll, I do not believe you to be one, but I think it will help others continue to recognize that you are not one if you try to be more accurate. This is a sensitive issue and it helps to be precise.

If an angry person were to read that you said Nathan was on Angel they might jump to the conclusion that you had no idea what you were talking about and were just saying everything based on shoddy second-hand information. Things like that have happened before.

WASTEGATE13

Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:21 PM

So no one likes my Macross theory?

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CENTURYHOUSE

Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:34 PM

I had never seen the Firefly series when I saw the movie "Serenity".

The movie was good enough to make me go out and buy the Firefly DVD set AND the Serenity movie DVD.

That said, I do think the series was warmer and more nuanced but that's to be expected.

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DRAVAS

Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:04 PM

In the words of Wash

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OMELET

Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by adlai:

Btw, I saw the movie last night on dvd for the first time. Not to flog a dead horse, but if the movie had had more of the Firefly humor, it would have done much better.

If you read my earlier post, you would learn that Serenity had to be a darker film because we are dealing with River's past. Not only that, but Mal is also becoming quite darker than the Firefly Mal. The film had to be darker because the Alliance is a dark place filled with these experiments to further their utopian society and keep themselves safe, as demonstrated by the program that River was in, in Serenity. The Blue Sun group, if you noticed their sign on Miranda, was part of that group that made the Reavers who they are. Not only that, but they made River who she is; a crazy psychic killing machine. This movie ain't about sunshine and lolipops. What was eating River's sanity up was a very dark secret kept by the heads of the Alliance. During Firefly, it was okay to have River be considered the crazy girl, because we didn't know what was exactly done to her and it was actually funny to her. Now, her sanity is leaving her more rapidly and leading the crew to the truth. There were some funny moments in the film, the Oh God, Oh God we're all gonna die line by Wash was funny, but they were there to keep the film from becoming too dark and depressing, which is like Joss because he loves to add humor to dangerous situations. Remember one thing next time you watch this movie, it isn't Firefly.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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