Saddam Hussein's Iraq was a terrorist threat to the US
POSTED BY: lynchaj
UPDATED: Sunday, March 8, 2026 22:55
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For crying out loud, Finn - The argument isn't about the numbers. You've turned one small point into an attempt to derail the whole thread. Is it that damn difficult to get you to take a moral stance on whether or not "asskicking for Jesus/Democracy/GWB/America" is morally acceptable? Did you read the whole post, wherein I gave to you my reasons for why I thought the right wing's position on Iraq was hypocritical? Or where I disagreed with your assessment of the left defending Saddam? Do you comment on any of those things? No, instead you keep trying to turn this into quibbling over casualty numbers, which was never the point to begin with.
I like you too, but you're trying to nitpick me into debating over minutiae instead of addressing the larger issues. I believe that you do care about innocent life, I really do - but the problem you seem to have is that you are unwilling to state "yes, you have a point there," because it highlights the blatant hypocrisy of the right's position vis-a-vis human rights issues. If you say "yes, I'm concerned," then it points out flaws in the human rights justification for Iraq because the wingnuts have ignored fouler human rights violations than what was seen under SHussein (unless you are willing to caveat it with we should be choosing better allies and helping more around the world).
The invasion of Iraq was like a global-scale version of that scene from Casablanca, where they don't even bother catching the real criminals, they just round up the usual suspects. 9/11 we were attacked by OBL and a motley flight crew of 15 Saudis, 3 Jordanians and an Egyptian, yet there we are in Iraq - because there is no real plan, because you can't fight a war on a concept (notice how well the 'war on drugs' went?) so you round up the usual suspect that you know you can beat that will make you look good in the polls. Then when it all goes south, keep changing the reason why you went in and attack everyone that knew it was going to be a cluster
. Great plan.
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Any country not inside the US (except for Canada and maybe the UK) is a threat to the US.
Think about that for a moment. Okay, back to Firefly talk
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I haven't read this whole thread. I'd try but I'm feely a bit sick as it is. Anyway, I've being seeing this junk posted by desperate Bushites all over the place lately. But think about it. As hard and as long as they been trying to dig up something that might look like a link between Iraq and 9/11 and this is the best they can come up with? With half the effort, in half the time, I'm willing to bet we could dig up equally compelling evidence that our own CIA was in on it. We have incontrovertible evidence that the terrorists were in the US before 9/11!!! Coincidence??
If only those scrambling for all this 'evidence' would considered putting some effort into tracking down Osama rather than trying to ease their consciences with reports from 'unnamed sources' that Osama's third cousin played golf with Saddam's accountant in 1979. Give it a break already.
SergeantX
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Ok, I got sucked in. I went back and read through this thread. What struck me is that AJ's spurious attempt to legitimize the Saddam - 9/11 excuse for invading Iraq was completely disected and destroyed in one post by DreamTrove. Why we still talkin' bout this?
SergeantX
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Joss' script for BTVS included US gov't plot to perp terrorism against USA, to blame the demons... Why is this concept okay for Fox TV fiction, but it's self-censored reality by the people (declassifed Operation Northwoods)? Heck, ALL the heros on Firefly are crooks, so why can't Firefly fans figure out our "leaders" are crooks, too, when they have already been convicted of criminal acts, and are currently sued under RICO Act for perping the 9/11 terrorism? Bush Gang's own published reports - before they were "elected" in 2000 - confess they intended to invade Iraq on a pretext, and that they would need a "new Pearl Harbor event" (PNAC) to trick the public into volunteering for the 15-year-old war, again. So the bogus reasons for invasion of Iraq pale in comparison to the mountain of 9/11 evidence that provides probable cause for any cop, grand jury, judge, prosecutor or citizen to arrest every member of the Bush Gang. But most people just want to worship every politician as a god...
Mind-control brain chips were on the cannibal menu for Riley (who unfortunately is not in Firefly). Now our Real-World Dr Frankensteins are growing lab-rat cyborgs to fly fighter jets for the Pentagram, er, Pentagon:
"It sounds like science fiction: a brain nurtured in a Petri dish learns to pilot a fighter plane as scientists develop a new breed of "living" computer. But in groundbreaking experiments in a Florida laboratory that is exactly what is happening. The 'brain', grown from 25,000 neural cells extracted from a single rat embryo, has been taught to fly an F-22 jet simulator by scientists at the University of Florida."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/06/1102182227308.html?rats
So give Joss and his gang some credit, without having to suspend all disbelief of the plotline. Yes, we do, unfortunately, have psychopaths trying to run the world, etc. One reason Joss' work is interesting to me, is that it has this DARK undercurrent of reality. Or is that just disinfo at its best, using neurolinguistic programming to associate/confuse fantasy (scifi antitech or magical witchcraft) with the reality of Gangsta Govt?
Either way, its interesting to reverse-engineer the Joss magic formula for success. It sure beats those lame UN/NWO scripts for Star Treks, except for the universal lack of real-world space physics.
That's the danger for USA - and Hollywood - of living in a fantasy world. 80% of movies and TV shows in USA are now NOT made in USA. Our Gangsta Govt is bribed by NWO Shadow Govt to destroy USA by exporting factories, farms and jobs, and importing 100-million illegal aliens. Reality is a rush, not a bummer. Embrace it! My computer and video equipment was made by slaves in Commie China, where internet dissidents are skinned alive in traveling Death Vans, and cannibalized for US medical/cosmetic cartels... just like the Reavers... 7,000 Americans are iatrogenocided and cannibalized EVERY DAY in Death Camps in USA... Isn't that a rush? Won't the Reavers be jealous?
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Here's a conspiracy theory for you. The tinfoil hat posters 
are actually Republican plants to discredit legitimate opposition to their policies. Hmmm...
SergeantX
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Quote:Care to harden the target and be a little more specific, piratenews?
Originally posted by piratenews:
7,000 Americans are iatrogenocided and cannibalized EVERY DAY in Death Camps in USA... Isn't that a rush? Won't the Reavers be jealous?
I'm really interested, if true.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Because DT's post - which details our Iraqi conundrum quite nicely- needs a response? What DT said in a nutshell (DT-correct me if I'm wrong is):
Ok, I got sucked in. I went back and read through this thread. What struck me is that AJ's spurious attempt to legitimize the Saddam - 9/11 excuse for invading Iraq was completely disected and destroyed in one post by DreamTrove. Why we still talkin' bout this?
1) AJ's post is a framed debate. His post is better left ignored.
2) The Iraq inavsion and the "war on terror" don't intersect. Hussein - as a secular socialist dictator -kept AQ from acquiring an oil-rich base of support. By deposing Hussein, we "are much closer to that eventuality than we were before the war began."
3) By w/drawing from Iraq, we bring ourselves even closer to that eventuality.
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However, it's also clear that we can't stay in Iraq, since our presence is destabilizing. So... how can we w/draw from Iraq and assure our security in the area?
The current plan seems to be to ditch at least one of the "legs" of the three stated goals (unified, secular, democratic) and possibly two: We are no longer insisting on a secular government, and may be okay with a government that oppresses 70% (women plus Sunnis) of the population. In other words, we are throwing our weight behind a Shiite theocracy. I suspect that this is exactly what the Sunni insurgents fear- payback being such a b*tch and all that.
I would suggest that it would be best if we simply allowed Iraq to break up. Iraq now is like former Yugoslavia: a synthetic nation created for the convenience of an empire. And Hussein was like Tito: A strongman holding together a pastiche of ethnic, language, and religious minorities through sheer terror. It took seventy years and over 250,000 deaths until the Yugoslavian fantasy was allowed to dissolve. http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa011998.htm
What are the possible repurcussions, and how could we control them in our favor?
Neither the Kurds nor the Shias have any love for AQ. That leaves the Sunnis, who might be looking for support and who are nominally of the same religion as AQ.
And, oops- later dude.
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Quote:And in one fell swoop, this article exposes both the fallacy of torturing people for info and the weakness of the Iraq-AQ "link".
Qaeda-Iraq Link U.S. Cited Is Tied to Coercion Claim
By DOUGLAS JEHL
Officials said an inmate in Egyptian custody made up details about ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda in order to escape abuse.
www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/politics/09intel.html?th&emc=th
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