Saddam Hussein's Iraq was a terrorist threat to the US
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UPDATED: Sunday, March 8, 2026 22:55
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Hey, way to come to the party late, out of context, and wrong. Glad you could pick me as your date.
LOL. well put.
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Comparing creating democracy in Iraq to the aftermath of WWII is like comparing apples to carburetors
You really have a knack for this sort of thing, a way with words. Another great image.
Now I'm done with the pile on Hayward session.
Instead I'm going to give a little friendly advice:
Hayward, you are spending a lot of time an effort viciously attacking everying in the room as if they were Osama Bin Laden. I think we're all pretty much friends here, even if we vehemently disagree sometimes. Try a little less personal hosility in your attacks.
Also, while you're at it, try a few less attacks. You've spent so much time posting that what everyone else posted is wrong, I have no idea what your position is. From what I've read so far, I suspect your a communist. If this isn't the case, then perhaps you should spend a little more time telling us what your positions are and not how stupid everyone else is.
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Quote:From family experience I know that the only way to separate a junkie from his/her addiction of choice is when the addict decides it's time. There is some truth to the joke "How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but it has to want to change." Still, it's tragic to see someone circling the drain.
The houseguest has move on after deciding in a paranoid was that I was trying to get him away from heroin, which was his medicine, his cure that he needed to survive, and now he's somewhere homeless in Portland, OR, sticking a needle in his arm.
As far as Iraq is concerned, it seems that Sunnis participated in much higher numbers than before. That is a good sign. But the Shias will still dominate Parliament and they have a mess to clean up. They have to be careful not to create a "tyrrany of the majority" when they decide things like where oil revenues will go. Furthermore, if the USA doesn't bug out SOON then EVERYONE will be dissatisfied with the Parliament.
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Please don't think they give a shit.
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We just need to get the Sunnis at the table and take away the best selling points for Al Qaeda. If I had to take over this mess right now, I'd probably start offering them some heads, people on our side who tortured and ordered torture. As a peace offering. I think in a Muslim world this is what would have to happen. Instead we have Saddam, and they don't have jack. or George.
Afterwards, it would be really nice if this withdrawal talk really got canned and this Mirtha 'redeployment' plan be talked about.
What I think people aren't getting is that, okay, Iraq was a f^&k-up, sure. But now we owe the Iraqis. What we owe them is the democracy we promised them. If we leave, Iran with the healthy open backing of Beijing will invade and conquer or Al Qaeda will, and either way, oil will be funnelled out and the Iraqis will get nothing.
If we stay in a combative way, we'll just do more damage. We need to start building up a defense to defend Iraq against foreign invasion.
I figure since 1991, we've probably killed about one million Iraqis. Most of that was Clinton, but a fair amound of it was Bushes, particularly this latest Bush, and so I can see why they wouldn't be real happy seeing us around, partolling the streets of Baghdad and whatnot. And I agree, I think we should pretty much start retreating on to bases never to be seen again, except in the event of a war.
But the thing is, unless there is something like a US Air base there, Iraq doesn't stand a chance against anyone else who might want to come in and take the oil. Iraq is the second most oil rich nation in the world, and it has no defenses of its own, and on top of that, it is completely surrounded by hostile nations, some of whom are quite warlike. China has already expressed an interest in that oil, and a willingness to support Iran militarily into what they call a 'regional leadership role' so decipher that euphamism, and Al Qaeda is trying to take it to fund global terrorism right now as we speak. To assume that none of these people would take over if we just packed up and went home is beyond absurd.
The handy thing for us is that most of the people fighting us even within the Al Qaeda forces right now are Iraqis. This means that though Zarqawi and Zawahiri want to funnel money out of Iraq, the Iraqis there undoubtedly don't, and so if we can get them to the table we can say, okay, you control this much, join us, we'll give you some say in the outcome.
My guess is, if we leave, Al Qaeda will beat the Mahdi and our Iraqi govt. and take over and start adding a few billion to the Al Qaeda coffers, enough to give it enough cash to buy a few nukes and seriously upscale operations from the nickle and dime stuff they've been up to so far. After that, I would expect after a couple years, Iran, with weapons from Beijing, would annex Iraq and make it their oil belly, fueling the Chinese need for petrol. I think in these two conflicts, a million more people would be killed easily. Maybe a million in each, and at the end the Iraqis would still be poor. We owe it to them that that not happen. If we stay in ground combat in Iraq for 8 more years, that will also happen, so we definitely owe it to them not to do that.
At the moment it looks as if Iraq were better off with Saddam Hussein in power, and if we could just prop that statue back up, I'd reluctantly support the idea if I thought it would work. But as much as I hate the plan and the people who crafted it, I think we have to make this work because we owe the Iraqis that, otherwise they will be robbed and slaughtered by their enemies, which as a country that tried to target exterminate civilian populations in wars against almost all of its neighboring countries, it has quite a few enemies. But we also need to do two things right away:L
1. Talk about getting some of these insurgent groups to the table.
2. Start talking about redeployment away from defending US oil theft and away from launching ground offensives and towards at least starting the preparations for being able to defend Iraq in the
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