Iran only months away from having atomic bomb.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, August 31, 2026 06:03
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Quote:On this we agree.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
But when a President of one country ( Iran ) opendly declares that another country ( Israel ) should be wiped off the face of the Earth, concern is warranted.
Be prepared, son. Always be prepared, that's my motto.
The Last Chrisisall
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Quote:It's little things like this that humanize the cold, deadly world of the RWED.
Originally posted by rue:
Nothing to do with anything but I have a 6 week old kitten named "Stumpy" chasing after my fingers and running over the keyboard.
Chrisisall fuzzy
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I found it interesting that media military analysts are saying the Isreal could not successfully take out the Iranian Nuke program. They say Isreal's air force simply lacks the ability to do it.
I think they need to look at a map. Sure its a long way, but they have to cross Jordan and Iraq to do it, but crossing Iraq isn't the obsticle is once was.
I think the Iranians have weighed in on the subject. News reports from today indicate that Iran is purchasing Surface to Air missiles from Russia. So new air defenses probably mean they expect to have their bomb fairly soon and they expect to get hit.
And for those who think Isreal can't do it, I'd suggest that they probably were saying the same thing back before they bombed Saddam's reactor in the '80s.
I also noticed someone suggesting the Iranians hate us. That aint so. They're not Arabs. The radical rebellion in 1979 created a state that does not reflect Persian culture or history. So while the radical clerics and most Iranians between the ages of 35 and 42 hate us, the military is traditionally moderate and today's students have engaged in pro-Democracy demomstrations in the streets of Tehran (mostly during the Iraq invasion and sporadically since then since they are violently oppressed). The radical clerics need the nuclear bomb, they to attack Isreal, because their tight-fisted grip on power is slipping and if they're not careful it'll be them lined up against the wall rather then agents of the Great Satan.
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*sigh*
I must be the only one in the western world who's not upset with Iran coming to age with a nuke of its very own.
Setting the stage for The-Earth-That-was.
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
*sigh*
I must be the only one in the western world who's not upset with Iran coming to age with a nuke of its very own.
*sniff* They grow up so fast, don't they!? The evil fanatical tyrannical countries, I mean. Just 20 years ago they were attacking invaders with horses and rifles, now they already have a nuke of their own. Bless. *sniff*
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Another news item from today (AFP) is Iran issued a statement appearing to reject the Russian compromise. I can understand that. They need to enrich uranium for energy production. Having Russia perform the enrichment would be putting their energy future in the hands of foreign powers, just like (ahem) some western countries have done.
That makes inspections all the more vital.
Tsk. Iran, Iran ... What are you thinking?
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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I know it sounds scary, but one of these days nukes are going to find their way into the hands of some country actually crazy enough to use them. If it's a wealthier nation, they'll build a huge military and tromp all over the world, bullying their way into everyone else's business. It's a nightmare scenario, but it could happen.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Like bunker buster tactical nukes? Now who could that be ??
And it's nice to see you posting.
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I actually know someone whose cousin is working on that plant. So I know how far along it is. They say they want to build nuclear bombs but they don't know jack about it. They're scared to death that the US is going to invade. They're looking for any option to buy a nuke outright, and there are many possibilities open, they also want to hire any nuclear expert they can get their hands on to hasten the effort. This is my personal intelligence, and I think it's factually correct. The word is that the Iranians think nothing short of ownership of a nuclear bomb will stop the pending and already planned US invasion, the site north korea as an example. And the invasion they think will level their country and be used as a pretext for stealing their oil, they cite Iraq as an example.
The Iranians are intelligent people. They have a struggling democracy which is sometimes unduly crushed by a powerful theocratic church, and a struggling capitalist economy which wants to compete in the global economy. They're not particularly interested in changing their religion or media viewing habits and not at all interested in being reduced to the stone age. They have taken what they see is the only course open to them.
Their overzealous president is in some ways a disaster, he is very hostile towards the US and Israel, but, and this is a big but, this is a result of circumstances and attitudes. We have been overtly hostile to Iran calling it a mysogenist theocracy and part of an axis of evil. We have threatened military action in the same vein as we threatened Iraq, and it became clear to the Muslim world that nothing Saddam could have done could have prevented the US Invasion. They now are convinced that if the US threatens them that we are hell bent on invading them and nothing they can do, short of getting their hands on a nuclear bomb, will stop us.
I want to take a minute to look at the other side of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and why this Iranian I know voted for him. He has pledged to prevent the clerics from banning political parties, have more free open debate, has already started to privatize previous socialized govt. controlled industries and has applied for membership in the WTO.
Sure, he has also promised a hard line against the US. This is bad from our perspective, but not from Iran's. Consider what we've done to Iraq, from the point of view of someone in the Iraqi govt. We took an oppressive yet stable govt. of a prosperous civilized first world country and converted it into Al Qaeda chaos resembling Afghanistan or Somolia. I remember when our attacks first started the Iraqi's first complaints were we knocked out their interstate highways and took down their cell phone networks, and now they couldn't get to their IT jobs. Now they complain that terrorists are blowing up food and water supplies and they are dying in the semi-arid rubble. If you were the govt. of Iran, would you want this to happen to your country?
No of course not. But wait, it gets worse. Iran is persuing nuclear arms and may use its nuclear power plant to do so, from what I hear they are. But, we signed a treaty giving them the right to have three nuclear power plants. So, the message we are sending now by saying they can't have those plants is this: America's word isn't worth jack. Is there anyone out there over here on the right who isn't a little ticked at this administration for sending that message to the world?
Okay. Now here's my solution:
1. Let Iran have its Nuclear power plants under the provision that there are international inspectors there 24/7 to make sure it is just making power.
2. Give an iron clad guarantee that as long as Iran remains a democracy and does not persue nuclear armaments we will not invade.
3. Offer to assist Iran should she be invaded by on of her potentially hostile neighbors. This may seem like an absurd offer, but consider the situation. Iran is completely surrounded by hostile powers with nuclear weapons.
Iraq and Afghanistan are US puppet states with nuclear armed US forces. Tadjikistan, Turkmenista
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Quote:This is the part I don't get. If Iran has only short-range nukes, and the US invades, the only place they will be able to blow up is - themselves.
nothing they can do, short of getting their hands on a nuclear bomb, will stop us
Or do you think that they would threaten SA or Israel if they were attacked?
I agree with your analysis for the most part. Iran is one ME country where democracy has started on a course of mutual evolution with the existing culture and religion.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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