Tim Minear reveals another unfilmed FF episode
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UPDATED: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:31
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I think the injection could be a valid weapon. There are two angles you guys haven't mentioned.
1.) The injection is not the weapon, but the antidote. Maybe each companion is given a rape drug and only when they take the antidote is it ok for them to sleep with someone for a period of time.
2.) Perhaps the drug is not a rape weapon at all, but an assasin weapon. We still don't know why Inara left the companion house. Perhaps she was told to use the weapon against someone and refused. Maybe she loved the person. Maybe the drug is constantly in the blood stream and would end her career. That would also explain the look on her face when she looked at the syringe. It would also make for quite a different storyline for Inara after the proposed episode.
Just some ideas. I'm sure Joss could come up with plenty of other twists and turns.
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Wow! I'm completely of two minds on this one. On one hand:
This sounds like a completely absurd, forced, and unrealistic concept. If it were a fanfic description I wouldn't even bother clicking on the thing. With what we've been told of reavers, it's hard for me to imagine anyone surviving that. This would also be way too dark and gruesome for my taste; heck, even the movie was a bit dark for me.
On the other hand: If well written and acted, this could be an incredibly emotional and powerful episode. It is hard to imagine they would go that far, but some very shocking things have happened in Firefly/Serenity.
Take Mal's torture scene. He's our beloved Captain, the star of the show. They electrocuted him, cut off his ear, and did all manner of other horrible things to him....not to mention he died. Speaking here as a female, I'd have to say that what Mal went through had to be at least as bad as being raped, and maybe even on a par with being raped by reavers.
But what could have been strictly a gratuitous and sadistic torture scene (think 24, Alias) became the catalyst for one of the most moving and even funny episodes. Perhaps this could do the same.
Just think of the emotional impact of not only having Inara go through that, but to see the crew risk their worst fear in the verse to rescue her; then, Mal kneeling down and kissing her hand? The idea of him abandoning his refusal to show his feelings, and doing something so simple and sweet and respectful as that is amazing. I have a feeling we'd all be in tears.
In a way, it would be classic Firefly; a dark, cold story with a loving heart.
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AGENTTROUKA:
To answer your questions one by one...
I never said it was gutsy for mal to distinguish Inara being any different from a common street whore. Quite the opposite. She spreads her legs for money. It's all equally disgraceful to me. Could care less if she's supermodel beautiful and cultured like a japanese geisha, or a streetcorner heroine junkie looking for the next fix. She has a pricetag.
I'm no angel but I have my moral limits. In fact, my life is probably one long orgy of heathenistic perversity. But, a whore is a whore is a whore.
To answer your other questions...
(1) "Is her job only defined by the fact that sex is sold?"
Umm... yes.
(2) "Is the rest of the experience irrelevant?"
Umm... yes. Unless you believe money can buy you love. It's a cheap memory. Although in reality, for most men to get a woman that looks like Morena Baccarin in bed would require substantial sums of cash. Or boatloads of beer and a very desperate and blind woman.
(3) "Is it automatically demeaning because she chooses to sell sex along with her other services?"
Umm... yes.
What other services? Massage, flattery, company paid for by the hour (oh wait I'm sorry, she's a "companion").
The real issues here isn't whether or not she's a whore. It's how Mal viewing her as such will think of her AFTER the whole reaver abduction and gangrape thing. It's about whether or not she'll keep selling her sexual favors for money after undergoing that ordeal. Etc. It's a social studies lesson on how many people are willing to justify the oldest profession in the world as moral.
Ahh the good old days, when men were men and women were property.
It would have been interesting if it had moved out of the realm of theory.
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
AGENTTROUKA:
It's a social studies lesson on how many people are willing to justify the oldest profession in the world as moral.
Ahh the good old days, when men were men and women were property.
I don't quite understand, though... Why is it immoral? Why does it need justifying?
It's her body. And she herself chooses to provide a service with it. How does that make her property any more than a nurse, a counselor or a babysitter?
Who is she harming? And if not, why is it immoral?
Why is the sex the one defining feature? What is so hackle-raising about sex that it stops all the presses and makes everything else fade into the background as completely irrelevant?
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I'm sorry dude. I've seen the errors of my ways. Your continual re-asking of question I've just got done answering has somehow undermined the entire basis of my reasoning.
I agree with you now. Women should sell sexual favors. It's a hallmark of their independance, and sign of their strength. We should deem it the new crest of feminism. Equality is measured in dollars at the end of the day.
Find me some strong women and line them up for auction. The more I have to pay for them, the more I'll come to respect them as selfwilled and independantly strong.
If you don't get it, you just don't get it.
Actually, you've probably been spending too much time in college classrooms. Escape the mold, and maybe one day you will get it.
XG
Socratic irony only works on me when it comes from Socrates. And he's getting kinda moldy these days.
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Actually, you've probably been spending too much time in college classrooms. Escape the mold, and maybe one day you will get it.
My, aren't you a cheery person.
"You don't get it" is absolutely a respectable and mature response to a serious question, isn't it?
Nicely frees you from the responsibility of having to actually, you know, try and explain your reasoning.
Oh, and the personal insults heighten your appeal even more.
I'm charmed.
How about you come back when you are actually able to form a rational response. If you have a good reason, it should be possible to put it into words, right, without hiding it behind lots of evasive nothingness?
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(Then the Reavers attack and take Inara. While trying to get her back they learn that she had something that would make anyone who had sex with her die.)
Was that what the syringe was we see her with on the pilot epidoe? I thought that was a quick and painless death
[edit] okay, I didn't see that little paragraph underneath the main one, until I wrote what I thought
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The politicians idea of "giving the finger", is pushing the big red button....
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Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Is her job only defined by the fact that sex is sold? Is the rest of the experience completely irrelevant? Is it automatically demeaning because she chooses to sell sex along with her other services?
I always considered the two different job titles to be somewhat like the difference between a restaurant and a hotel. You can get food at both places, but the hotel also offers you a lot more, and you can't just call it a restaurent anymore.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I can't remember one time that Inara met a client and didn't have sex with them (maybe not with the woman; I can't remember if she stayed the night or not). This is because her clients approach her for basically one reason - sex, just like a prostitute. The differences (her education and other services) do not make her job role different; they just make her more desirable to the prospective clientele than an ordinary prostitute.
It's not like comparing a hotel to a restaurant: it's like comparing a high class restaurant which offers 5 course meals, better food and nice atmosphere to a crummy diner with a rude waitress who doesn't really want to serve you; or a high class hotel with a jacuzzi, tennis courts, room service and really nice rooms to a crappy motel that only provides a dirty, uncomfortable room and nothing else: A rich man wouldn't go near the crummy diner or crappy motel if he could go to a high class restaurant or hotel, just like in Firefly they'd choose a companion over a common prostitute.
You go to a diner to get food, same as a restaurant; you go to a motel to get a room and bed for the night, just like a hotel; and you go to a prostitute for sex, just like a companion. The restaurant, hotel and companion just offer more services as well as their primary function and cost a whole lot more for the luxury, so rich people view them as more acceptable; but they all do the exact same basic job as their crappy counterparts. In the eyes of someone who didn't care about all the luxuries and quality of the product and just wanted the basic product being sold, a restaurant is the same as a diner, a hotel is the same a motel and a companion is the same as a prostitute - the quality and luxuries added in do not make the fundamental product different, just a whole lot more desirable.
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Well, I'd consider the way she counselled Fess Higgins in "Jaynestown" to be a pretty good example of hotel vs. restaurant.
Her real service to him wasn't the sex. It was showing him that a) sex had nothing to do with being an adult, and b) that he could be strong enough to stand up to his father if he dared.
That was a psychological service more than anything else. Try getting that with a regular prostitute.
The fact that she did also have sex with him doesn't detract from that in any way. So why is it only the sex that would count in that scenario?
Besides, I'm not arguing that a Companion is not a prostitute! She is!
I am arguing that a companion is a different kind of prostitute than what is commonly referred to as "whore", and that neither of those professions are deserving of the derrogatory connotations attached to them.
Basically, I am saying that Mal is wrong to call her a "whore" when she isn't. Just like a calling a restaurant a "diner" isn't applicable when it's a five-star eatery, to use your example.
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Clearly you're educated. Medically educated. Don't answer a question direct. You just answer a question with a question. Your education tells you to do so. Freud and his copycats would be proud. Maybe you went down this road, went med school, then backtracked and went psychiatrist.
You're either a community college psychologist, or a med school psychiatrist.
Remain aloof and take a stand on nothing. Nothing is philosphically everything. It's the whole source of your paycheck. Existence is a question mark, but your authority is absolute. Letters behind your name say so.
You're are a protected species of human being. Never answer any questions and you will always remain as such.
Your term paper is always overdue.
Go malpractice somewhere else. Skull jockeys are all alike. Never an answer... just more and more questioning.
XG
(or you're just an exceptionally brilliant and clairvoyantly lucky genuine nutcake).
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks. Unless you find a questionable psycho-professional (psycho-anything).
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