Tim Minear reveals another unfilmed FF episode
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UPDATED: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 07:31
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Originally posted by NicolaClarke:
Why do you assume "other than Mal"? Rape destroys intimacy by eradicting trust and equating everything with the psychological legacy of the act(s) - and what is more intimate than a touch from the person you love? If anything, I'd guess that Mal would be the most difficult person for Inara to face - if she ever could.
Good point.
I just assumed it cause she seems closer to Mal than any of the other men on the crew. They do share a bond that's based more on friendship and respect than anything else (since they won't let it become anything else). And the whole kissing the hand moment has to work on some level. It doesn't have to be an intimate kiss, just one of support.
But you make an excellent argument as to why it wouldn't work.
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SadLittleKing wrote:
I just assumed it cause she seems closer to Mal than any of the other men on the crew. They do share a bond that's based more on friendship and respect than anything else (since they won't let it become anything else). And the whole kissing the hand moment has to work on some level. It doesn't have to be an intimate kiss, just one of support.
The sexual and emotional tension between Mal and Inara is palpable, it is clear that they are in love, but have been unwilling to commit.
Consider this scene just after Mal brings Inara back to "Serenity" after the encounter with the Operative.
There has been a dispute with the rest of the crew.
Inara told Mal "This isn't war, Mal." Inara said that Mal had come to the training house looking for a fight. He responded "I came looking for you." Remember he was worried about Inara's safety, and he went to rescue her, despite knowing it was a trap.
INT. CARGO BAY - continuing
Inara tries to catch up to --
INARA
Mal.
MAL
(turning)
I got no answers for you, Inara. I got no rudder. Wind blows northerly, I go north. That's who I am. Maybe that ain't a man to lead but they have to follow so you wanna tear me down do it inside your own mind.
INARA
I'm not trying to tear you down -
MAL
But you fog things up. You always have -- you spin me about. I wish like hell you was elsewhere.
INARA
I was.
That is why Mal asked Inara "Did you really miss this place?
Inara: (rueful smile) Sometimes... Not so much right now.
A beat. he doesn't look at her when he asks:
MAL
Why did you leave?
She does look at him.
INARA
Why didn't you ask me not to?
Dissatisfied, Mal rises.
MAL
I, uh, I'd better go check on the crew. See how the inevitable mutiny is coming along.
They both want to say more. They don't. He goes."
It is the unspoken things between Mal and Inara which keep them apart.
What they both want more than anything is to resolve their relationship, but each of them is too proud to give in.
justbrowsing
"I aim to misbehave." Mal
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Is anyone else thinking 'Ninja Scroll' or is it just me?
I'm glad they didn't film it - it's too much. And its out of character for the Reavers.
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All guilt is relative. Loyalty counts. And never let your conscience be your guide.
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Hey Zeek... pat yourself on the back, you get some technical points. Ok so that ep aired and those other 3 didn't. My point remains valid. That kind of storytelling was the stake thru the heart of FF. Whether it aired or didn't is inmaterial to the point I'm trying to make (the show still got torpedoed). And I've never pretended to have been a fan of FF right from the beginning. In these forums, I've always been upfront about the fact that I only just discovered it shortly before the movie came out. I had abandoned SciFi since the cancellations of Farscape, Enterprise, Lexx, etc. I can only stand so much.
Sadlittleking... I agree... a debate on BSG will only sidetrack things, and frankly you wouldn't survive that debate. I've been wishing for the show's return since the 1st season got cancelled, watched the miniseries with great enthusiasm and was horribly disappointed.
I've forced myself to endure the mindcrushing boredom of the series hoping it'll get better. It just never does. It's not battlestar. Hasn't been and never will be. It's been "reimagined"... a repackaged crappy copy that stole the BSG name.
Now, back on topic...
...the episode that will never be from the show that should have been...
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Originally posted by huitzil:
Is anyone else thinking 'Ninja Scroll' or is it just me?
Yes! That's the first thing that came to my mind. How did that movie end, anyway?
Unfortunately, the whole storyline seems to be in the same line of thought that Jacqui was talking about, vagina dentata, a sexy female is dangerous and ends up beaten and abused. It's very much like the misogynism in 19th century French novels. Forget about character development - whether it's sixty or six Reavers, it would practically kill a person to go through that. I can't tell you how squicked I am by the thought of it.
That said, I'm not entirely against pitting Inara against Reavers, because I would love to see how tough she is. She'd think of some way out.
Julia
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I have not read the whole thread, so this might have already been mentioned.
Someone called the idea of Inara having an anti-rape injection unrealistic. That seems like the most realistic element in the suggestion to me.
Think about what a companion is, and what she symbolizes, then think about the most likely violent crime to be inflicted upon one.
Being a companion is like hanging a sign on yourself saying, "Rape me." Obviously most are in protected places where there is little risk of such a thing, but eve so the idea that they would go out without some kind of defense is absurd.
A gun is nice, but it isn’t always good enough. If she just doesn’t want to be raped a cyanide pill would do the trick, but if she takes one she’s lost even though she might have gotten away unscathed if she had simply fought. An injection before the fight that does not kill her makes sense. Unlike a normal weapon it ensures that even if she loses the attacker will not win, and unlike cyanide or similar methods it won’t prevent her from winning.
Just as important would be knowledge, even rumored, of the injection.
There have been instances in the past, none of which I can call to mind (sorry), where a group of women believed to be the best in bed were also believed to be able to kill a man who forced sex upon her. These beliefs protected the women. A reality would protect them more.
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As for getting only Inara, she does have the shuttle of hers. That is not always connected to the ship, by virtue of being a shuttle.
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Someone said that it was bad that Mal treated her more nicely afterwards, but I really have trouble seeing that. The thing that is most clear (clear meaning, "painfully, blatantly and repeatedly obvious") about their relationship is that Mal is against the prestige surrounding Inara's work. He calls her a whore, yes, but that is about Inara's job (and position) and describing it without any of the illusions that have been built up around it. He’s always shown that he respects Inara herself.
We are given no details of the fight in the beginning, but just from the hand kissing thing it would seem to be about her job. In the end the job is not a factor, all else has been forcibly stripped away and she is simply Inara, so he is dealing with her person.
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Inara can't be that young. To have gone through a full training, be friends with Nandi, support Unification, and establish such a widespread client base means she's at least beyond early adulthood (our version of late 20s).
I personally find the plot-skeleton very implausible. Mal never insults or looks down on Inara as a person, only vents his frustration with her interactions and profession.
I find the idea that Reavers would get to her and still somehow be alive completely off the wall. She may have some combat training but she's no River...or even Jayne.
I find the idea that some drug would kill anyone who had sex with her extremely far-fetched and not at all a viable weapon for a Companion to be given in such a circumstance.
I find the idea that Zoe would stand up to Mal so blatantly and openly over this on the highly unlikely end of things. What reason would she have for that? Just because he insulted Inara?
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
An injection before the fight that does not kill her makes sense. Unlike a normal weapon it ensures that even if she loses the attacker will not win, and unlike cyanide or similar methods it won’t prevent her from winning.
But how realistic is it that someone who is suddenly attacked has the time and leisure to inject themselves?
The attacker could knock her unconscious before she ever gets to the little wooden box. Plus, the needle in her box is consists of two separate parts, suggesting that she'd have to do at least a minimal amount of fiddling before she could shoot it up into her body.
It's a completely inefficient weapon, unless in an unpreventable yet expected attack, such as the Reavers, which is decidedly not the norm, and certainly not for the average Companion who dwells on a core planet.
And obviously, she can't inject the stuff before a regular client meeting. Killing them is bad for business.
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He calls her a whore, yes, but that is about Inara's job (and position) and describing it without any of the illusions that have been built up around it. He’s always shown that he respects Inara herself.
I did concede that point later in that discussion, btw.
However, it stands to question how much his respect of her is worth when he keeps trying to shame her for her life choices.
Trust me, I ship Mal and Inara like the next fangirl, and personally I have no trouble believing that he does respect her, but the way it is sometimes put onto screen should hold up to that kind of questioning. :)
Mal may respect her, but he treats her disrespectcully regardless. That is takes this sort of attack for him to step off his judgmental high horse does not reflect very well on him, nor do I find it a particularly original idea that seeing her weak helps him develop a kinder attitude than, say, seeing her strong.
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Originally posted by EmeraldEAD:
I find the idea that Zoe would stand up to Mal so blatantly and openly over this on the highly unlikely end of things. What reason would she have for that? Just because he insulted Inara?
Well, Mal does tend to get emotional. And even when he wants to be kind, his words don't always come out well, and some kind of fumbled apology or whatever he MIGHT say could seriously upset a shaky, traumatized Inara.
In her state, just seeing the man who keeps calling her a whore might hurt her.
I think Zoe's motivation there would be to protect Inara from anything that might irrationally upset her. Mal could certainly do that without meaning to.
So Zoe would prefer for Mal to stay out. She has never had trouble telling him when he goes too far, mostly by glaring, or leaving him behind with Jayne in "Shindig". This would be no different. :)
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
So Zoe would prefer for Mal to stay out. She has never had trouble telling him when he goes too far, mostly by glaring, or leaving him behind with Jayne in "Shindig". This would be no different. :)
Actually Zoe works very hard NOT to tell him when he goes too far and is very cautious and apologetic when she does step towards that line (ie making the decision to come back in Out of Gas and in other places). She only makes suggestions and questions to Mal.
The act in Shindig was a very PASSIVE act, simply letting him know she was miffed.
I can't see her blatantly standing up and saying flat out no to her captain/sergeant over this. She's never felt a protector of Inara and I can't see why she would think Mal would harm her. He's the captain, if things need to be done, he needs to see them.
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