The Order According to Joss and Tim
POSTED BY: Sarahetc
UPDATED: Monday, July 28, 2003 00:41
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Quote:Step in all you want, but if you can't stick to the facts and express your opinions rationally, you should really just keep them to yourself.
If I could step in...
Quote:Adding up? Since when is this about math? Tim and Joss aren't mathematicians, they're screenwriters. This is a perfect example of the kind of obfuscation this board could do without. We're missing something alright, what we're missing is honest and thorough examination of the facts on hand. Good grief Succatash, I expected more from you.
Chris the Cynic is expressing dissatisfaction. We are missing something, the eps just aren't adding up.
Quote:You don't see how?? No offense, but if you could see how, maybe you'd be writing the damned show. You're obviously ignoring the plethora of minutiae that proves you are totally wrong!
Can a minor adjustment in OiS suddenly clear things up? I hope so, but I don't see how.
Quote:Of course. If you can't understand something, just find a scapegoat. It isn't gonna fly 'tash, somebody has to take responsibility for the unaccounted for accountabilities staring us in the face. Until you except that FACT, none of this can be settled. Please take the time to make your arguments a little more inane if you're going to post on this thread.
I think we can safely blame Fox for all of our woes. If they hadn't messed with Joss, messed with the intended order and cancelled the show, then we wouldn't be having these inconsistencies.
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
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*Gives Succatash a little kiss on the cheek*
*Turns and gives Sarge a little kiss on his cheek*
No more typing while drunk or angry Sarge :) We're all browncoats here, must stick together and be happy, happy, happy! Happy damn it!
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
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Sarge? Why is your asshole hat on? Please take it off, the hat makes you look like an idiot.
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I am on friendly terms with the ol' Sarge so I am going out on a limb and suggesting that SERGEANTX is just being goofy. Having fun. We should rename him Sarge the Cynic.
He doesn't fool me.
SeargentX: Step in all you want, but if you can't stick to the facts and express your opinions rationally, you should really just keep them to yourself.
WTF?
SeargentX: Adding up? Since when is this about math? Tim and Joss aren't mathematicians, they're screenwriters. This is a perfect example of the kind of obfuscation this board could do without. We're missing something alright, what we're missing is honest and thorough examination of the facts on hand. Good grief Succatash, I expected more from you.
Sarge, what the hell are you talking about? For the last two weeks everyone has been confused over the order of the eps. That's because things aren't adding up. The facts aren't adding up. Deep breath.
SeargentX: You don't see how?? No offense, but if you could see how, maybe you'd be writing the damned show. You're obviously ignoring the plethora of minutiae that proves you are totally wrong!
I don't see how it could be done, nor do I want to see, a quick one minute resolution to HoG's cliff hanger ending.
SergeantX: Of course. If you can't understand something, just find a scapegoat. It isn't gonna fly 'tash, somebody has to take responsibility for the unaccounted for accountabilities staring us in the face. Until you except that FACT, none of this can be settled. Please take the time to make your arguments a little more inane if you're going to post on this thread.
You are actually quite funny, Sarge. You come across quite mad, and I thought you were at first, but I can cleary see the dark comedian within you. Thanks for being my pal.
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Okay, so here's how I see it:
Serenity, Part 1
Serenity, Part 2
The Train Job
Bushwhacked
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Shindig
Safe
Ariel
War Stories
Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space
This differs from the airing order in that "Serenity" is placed first (as it very logically should) and the three unaired eps come between "War Stories" and "Objects in Space."
This differs from the production order in that "Shindig" and "Safe" are shifted to later. (I have not heard any direct commentary on this one from Joss or Tim, other than Tim saying he made the decision for these to air when they did, not FOX; and that additional work was done on "Safe" after "Out of Gas." However, since the "previously" clips show a part of "Our mrs. Reynolds, it wouldn't make sense if these eps were to air in their production order [although since Fox Home Entertainment is releasing the DVDs, they'll almost definitely delete the "previously" clips, anyway]. But I do want to say that this is not definite, just my speculation.
Also, "Heart of Gold" and "Objects in Space" are moved to last. I'm not going to comment on this, since I haven't yet seen the unaired episodes, but Tim Minear has made it very clear what order the last four episodes go in (but I doubt Sci-Fi UK will air them that way, unless everyone starts sending requests soon).
So what I'm saying is that the order is very confusing, thanks mostly to FOX, but also to Joss and Tim. But at least you can enjoy each episode individually, although every time you want to watch the series chronologically you get more confused than a retard who accidently walked into a multivariable calculus classroom.
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Quote:I'm not sure the retard would know he was supposed to be confused. I, on the other hand, would feel like a retard after accidentally walking into an extreme math class. The only difference between and a retard is my golden lunchbox, and a magic ring I wear at all times.
Originally posted by InvisibleGreen:
...every time you want to watch the series chronologically you get more confused than a retard who accidently walked into a multivariable calculus classroom.
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Hi Invisiblegreen,
I know we all have been going back and forth on this. The only problem with Objects in Space being last is because that episode already aired, and during the same week that Fox put Firefly on hiatus. Additionally, we all know that the crew shot two more episodes following the announcement of the hiatus. So, it makes sense that one of the three unaired episodes was the last one. Too me, it appears to be The Message. I do remember Heart of Gold being pushed back for Objects in Space (moved up). So, Heart was already done or finishing up post-production. So that leaves Trash and The Message. And Trash is part 1 and The Message is part 2 due to storyline.
No disrespect to Tim, but it's not possible for an episode to be last when it aired already unless they shot all of them before the announcement, which we know is not the case. Maybe he meant Object was supposed to be last in the whole plan, but they added the Trash's and The Message's scripts to be somewhere in between?
Who knows? We are all guessing. 
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Quote:
"Commander! Did you threaten to grab hold of this man by the collar and throw him out an airlock?"
"Yes I did."
"I'm shocked. Shocked and dismayed. I'd remind you that we are short on supplies here. We can't afford to take perfectly good clothing and throw it out into space. Always take the jacket off first, I've told you that before. Sorry, she meant to say: 'Stripped naked and thrown out an airlock.' I apologize for any confusion this may have caused."
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And waste good AIR ??? Blasphemy!!
You strip em, throw em in the airlock, and run the cycle with both doors closed (i.e suck all the air out), then drag what's left of the sorry sodder to the protein recycler intake and well, I guess you can figure it out from there.
Waste not, want not.
-Frem
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I'm sure that I don't know what that extra goodie in OIS will be, but I bet it's an extention onto the beginning of the scene with River listening to Mal/Inara, in which they will address the subject of her leaving more directly, but due to their mutual attraction/repulsion for each other they are stymied. I think it will end the same way as we have seen it. 
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