The Order According to Joss and Tim

POSTED BY: Sarahetc
UPDATED: Monday, July 28, 2003 00:41
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VETERAN

Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:14 AM

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Oh yeah, Sarge? Then why did Simon pretend River wasn't a reader in OiS? Mal said River is a reader and Simon said something like, "She's sensitive" and acted all innocent when they were all sitting together at the table.

I guess I just sort of blew your whole theory away

It's plausible that Simon told the crew the entire story of how they ended up at the stake.

Simon's inability to admit River can read minds may be because, as a doctor and scientist, Simon doesn't believe in mind reading or at least can't assign that ability to the paranormal. The best he can is to employ a euphemism: "She's Sensitive."

SARAHETC

Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:36 AM

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Originally posted by Lunatikat:

Am I right in thinking then, ma'am, that you're the one who can help me learn how to find old posts? I came a little late to this party and am only semi-savvy 'bout this kind o' thing. What if I wanted to read from post number one to post number current in sequential order? Is that even possible? Desirable?

Go with yourself. Post number as in posts within threads? Just read from top to bottom. The threads themselves don't back up like they do at the fox (or similar) board.

As for finding old threads, Haken keeps a ready archive of the most recent 100 you can get to by clicking the link at the bottom of the Top 10. After that, try the links to various areas in the bottom right hand corner of the home page. For instance, clicking "Chinese translations" gets you all recent threads about those. There will be a link on the first page of any sub group that you can click to read archived threads in that subgroup. Read early and read often, that way you don't lose a fun thread or one you're very interested in.

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Also, I was wondering about your name. Is that like Sarah, et cetera? Originally, my brain kept translating it like a telescoping of Sarah and heretic, which I still like even after putting my glasses on and learning my error, but which may not reflect anything of your persona.

There was a thread about this.

I'm somewhere near the middle. It's Sarah et cetera, as I said, me and mine reified. Other folks have said they got "sarah and heretic" out of it, too. Again, go with yourself. I have a knee jerk reaction to that in the negative, but I recogize that it is kneejerk. I could be a television heretic-- renouncing the banality of the proscribed religion of reality television and worshipping at the altar of the good stuff. At the altar of the Firefly.

But there I go getting melodramatic. I tend to do that.

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Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy. Anybody know what the DVD will cost?

As has also been said before, does it really matter? I'm going to assume it's near or over the $100 mark. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can take the sky from me and all that.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

FLYINFREE

Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:18 AM

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Tim Minear has clearly stated that the order of the last four episodes, regardless of production number, is:

Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space

The previously segments on these episodes also suggest this order.

The previously segments for Objects in Space shows nothing from the other 3. The Message shows scenes from Trash and Heart of Gold shows scenes from the Message, Objects in Space and Trash. Also no episode shows any scenes of Heart of Gold and HoG ends with Inara saying she's leaving, yet she's in every other episode so the order must be like this:

Objects in Space
Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold

Still flyin'...

FLYINFREE

Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:28 AM

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It's very confusing, but let me try to explain it. Here is the order the episodes were produced in:

Serenity, Part 1
Serenity, Part 2
The Train Job
Bushwhacked
Shindig
Safe
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Ariel
War Stories
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space
Trash
The Message

However, FOX found the original pilot "Serenity" to be dull, so they aired it last, making Joss Whedon & Tim Minear write and shoot a new pilot (The Train Job). Tim Minear also made a decision to air "Shindig" and "Safe" after "Out of Gas" instead of after "Bushwhacked." As far as I know, neither Joss nor Tim has made a conclusive statement as to where these episodes belong chronologically. [Although you will notice that the "previously" segment of "Safe" contains a clip from "Our Mrs. Reynolds," suggesting that the episodes do occur after "Out of Gas." Also, "Ariel" seems to have been written to occur shortly after "Safe"]

Shindig and Safe have Mal doing the intro then in Our Mrs. Reynolds it is back to Book doing it which would indicate they always came after Out of Gas. If Train Job was the first episode produced then how could Joss and Tim write a new pilot called Train Job later? They would have finished several episodes including Train Job by the time Fox decided not to show Serenity.

Still flyin'...

FFYING2

Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:57 PM

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Shindig and Safe have Mal doing the intro then in Our Mrs. Reynolds it is back to Book doing it which would indicate they always came after Out of Gas.

You're right about the intros. But I think the reason for the Mal intros in "Safe" and "Shindig" is that Tim Minear decided to change to AIRING order (to not have too many "Westerns" in a row), not because the original production order had them that way.

You can see on the Fox site that it's 5. OMR, 6. Jt, 7. OoG, 3. Sh., and 4. "Safe" ( http://origin.fox.com/firefly/episodes.htm ). But it's also true that "Objects in Space" was the 11th produced episode (excluding "Serenity") and got moved back to 13th on the DVD.

It will be interesting to see if they change the intros in the DVD because of the order there ("Shindig" and "Safe" moved up, after "Bushwhacked").

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If Train Job was the first episode produced then how could Joss and Tim write a new pilot called Train Job later? They would have finished several episodes including Train Job by the time Fox decided not to show Serenity.

Fox axed "Serenity" as the pilot fairly early on. According to "Whedon's 'Firefly' Gets Call for Fall" ( http://jossisahottie.com/firefly/news/arc4-2002.html ), attributed to Zap2it.com, that was before May 16, 2002.

It was around that time that Joss and Tim wrote "The Train Job" (over a weekend, according to Joss) as a new pilot. Other early episodes, though presumably planned, were probably written and produced over the summer.

Keep Flying

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INVISIBLEGREEN

Monday, July 28, 2003 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by FlyinFree:
If Train Job was the first episode produced then how could Joss and Tim write a new pilot called Train Job later? They would have finished several episodes including Train Job by the time Fox decided not to show Serenity.

Still flyin'...

Sorry, I was confusing with my wording. But Ying explained it greatly, I think.

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