The Order According to Joss and Tim

POSTED BY: Sarahetc
UPDATED: Monday, July 28, 2003 00:41
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SARAHETC

Monday, June 16, 2003 7:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:

That’s all I can do to explain it, Jayne and River can see episodes into the future and Simon is a lucky moron, or Tim remembered wrong, or the continuity sucks. Hate to say it but it’s most likely that the continuity sucks because it doesn’t make sense that Tim would be that far off.

I repeat: changes were made. The changes will be unmade in the DVDs at which time we will most likely understand. There is no way to look at the eps as they are now and understand the order because, as has been stated, changes were made.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 16, 2003 7:43 PM

By the way, episode order on the scripts was:

The Train Job
Bushwhacked
Shindig
Safe
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Ariel
War Stories
Heart of gold
Objects in Space
Trash
The Message

With 1AGE of 01 through 13 in that order

Serenity was 1AGE79 but this web site lists it as 1AGE00. Apparently this 1---79 is reserved for the pilot, this doesn't makes sense to me but I believe it.

People said that Heart of Gold was revised after OiS was shot which would mean that They may have redone it to come later, explaining some stuff. Also the only thing in Heart of Gold that made it need to be after Trash and The Message was the recap. The changes of order would explain why things seem to be out of place. All of the stuff that doesn’t agree with what Tim said follows this order so I guess they just didn’t rewrite the best.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 16, 2003 7:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:

I repeat: changes were made. The changes will be unmade in the DVDs at which time we will most likely understand. There is no way to look at the eps as they are now and understand the order because, as has been stated, changes were made.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

I'm sorry, maybe I'm blind, where did it say changes were made? I thought it said a minor change was made to Objects that would have absolutely zero effect on continuity problems on the other episodes. So please, where did you find out about those changes? Obviously I missed it, and I’ll feel embarrassed once I see it.

Sorry I made such a big deal of it. Just show me where to find out about these changes.

SARAHETC

Monday, June 16, 2003 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:

I'm sorry, maybe I'm blind, where did it say changes were made? I thought it said a minor change was made to Objects that would have absolutely zero effect on continuity problems on the other episodes. So please, where did you find out about those changes? Obviously I missed it, and I’ll feel embarrassed once I see it.

Sorry I made such a big deal of it. Just show me where to find out about these changes.

1. Do you always make posts without reading previous posts?

2. The first post in this thread is a quote of posts made by Joss Whedon and Tim Minnear on (I believe) Buffistas.org. I cross posted them here from the cross post on the Fox board.

3. You invented "absolutely zero affect on continuity." Any of Jayne's or Inara's or anybody elses lines that you think mess up the "continuity" could have been changed at the last minute to deal with the writing order, the broadcast order, the shooting order, anything.

4. When the DVDs come out, all should be made clear. Until then, just enjoy for sobbing out loud!

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

HOTFORKAYLEE

Monday, June 16, 2003 8:13 PM

The order, and (to the best of my recollection) the way it'll shake out on the DVDs is:
Trash,
The Message,
Heart Of Gold,
Objects In Space
Joss made a minor adjustment in "Objects" when we aired it, and restored said change for the DVD order.
edited by Tim Minear on Jun 14, 2003 9:20:14 am PDT

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 16, 2003 8:33 PM

The first post says that to the best of Tim’s memory (recollection) the order is as stated he then goes on to say that a (which means singular) minor (which means minor) adjustment (means change) in Objects (which means Objects in Space) was made. You said ‘changes’ (which means plural.) I might dismiss this as a mistake but you didn’t say “changes was made” so that means you meant to say ‘changes.’

So I ask again, where does it say these changes were made? Further the adjustment was made in Objects in Space. Unless the first 16 minutes were taken from another episode and stuck in there, not what I would call a minor adjustment, then the bits I refer to would not be significantly affected.

So it is a fair assumption (in my opinion) that the first 16 minutes of the episode Objects in Space were meant to go there and the minor adjustment didn’t completely change the content of said 16 minutes.

If this is the case then the adjustment in Objects would have no effect (another way of saying absolutely zero effect) on the stated scenes in the episodes Trash, The Message, and Heart of Gold. The lack of effect on these scenes would translate into a lack of effect on the problems in continuity they present.

Finally, yes it could be that these scenes were re shot, but that’s not what he said, and I’m only going on what he said.

SARAHETC

Monday, June 16, 2003 9:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
The first post says that to the best of Tim’s memory (recollection) the order is as stated he then goes on to say that a (which means singular) minor (which means minor) adjustment (means change) in Objects (which means Objects in Space) was made. You said ‘changes’ (which means plural.) I might dismiss this as a mistake but you didn’t say “changes was made” so that means you meant to say ‘changes.’

Change/changes. A quibble. I'll express myself better in the future. Lord help me, I'm just not that bright.

If you don't believe what the producer of the show said, go ahead and start a thread called "I am Right and Tim is Wrong."

Or! You could just thank whatever it is you thank in periods of plenty that we got to see the unaired eps at all and get on with your life.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 16, 2003 9:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:

Change/changes. A quibble. I'll express myself better in the future. Lord help me, I'm just not that bright.

If you don't believe what the producer of the show said, go ahead and start a thread called "I am Right and Tim is Wrong."

Or! You could just thank whatever it is you thank in periods of plenty that we got to see the unaired eps at all and get on with your life.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

Ok, now you've thoroughly confused me, where did I say I don't believe what he said? I believe what he said, I believe that there was a "minor adjustment" In Objects in Space, and I believe that to the best of his recollection the order is Trash- The Message- Heart of Gold- Objects in Space. I believe he knows more about it than I do, and more than you do.

I also believe that the episodes were originally meant to go in the order stated on the scripts and that unless he remembers incorrectly the order was changed (not the Fox order but the intended order.)

I don’t think that I said anything to the contrary of any of this.

SUCCATASH

Monday, June 16, 2003 10:00 PM

If I could step in...

Chris the Cynic is expressing dissatisfaction. We are missing something, the eps just aren't adding up.

Can a minor adjustment in OiS suddenly clear things up? I hope so, but I don't see how.

I think we can safely blame Fox for all of our woes. If they hadn't messed with Joss, messed with the intended order and cancelled the show, then we wouldn't be having these inconsistencies.

TVDIR

Monday, June 16, 2003 10:46 PM

I watched some of the episodes again. Here's my take on the order:

War Stories
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space
Trash
The Message.

I remembered Heart of Gold on the original Fox list of episodes, then Objects replaced it (moved up in airing). Threfore, both of these episodes were already shot before Fox made the hiatus announcement.

I remembered reading about the mall scene (in The Message) that was going to be filmed during the last two episodes. So, The Message is defiantely one of the last shows. The Trash episode has to be seen before the Message because of the stolen gun storyline. So, it makes sense that the last two filmed were: Trash and The Message.

Now if you watched Heart of Gold on-line, you may have noticed the "previous scenes" (whiched featured The Message and Objects in Space), which would make my order incorrect. But, that previous section could have been altered since Fox may have or would have played the episodes out-of-order again if the show returned. Fox may have played HOFG last.

Any case, who knows. All we care about is
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