The Order According to Joss and Tim

POSTED BY: Sarahetc
UPDATED: Monday, July 28, 2003 00:41
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SARAHETC

Sunday, June 15, 2003 2:38 AM

http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/messages/?msg=8674.1

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Woohoo!!! Thanks to Zoefan for mentioning this in the 'loon. Here's what was written in buffistas:
joss - Jun 13, 2003 9:14:40 pm PDT #9217 of 9273
"What's the rumpus?"
Hello, people types. For them as is wondering, I did the commentary for OiS alone. And it is possibly the most incoherent, psuedo-intellectual, repetative yet somehow unfocussed blabber since Theodore Dreiser's "Sister Carrie". Seriously. or maybe it's cool. But I don't like the odds. The ep is definitely more eloquent than my commentary. By the by, I was gonna have Summer do it with me, but I realized I would probably spend a good portion of it praising her, and that's just awkward. Jane, Morena and Shawna (wardrobe) did "shindig" together, and Jane said the other two were slow and expendable. Of course not. She was fascinated by the different perspectives, and all that I wrote before was just slander. Including the stuff about my commentary. I'm thinking lawsuit.

Tim Minear - Jun 14, 2003 8:57:14 am PDT #9256 of 9273
Joss and I did talky talk on "Train Job." We were kinda lame. Solly and I did "Out Of Gas." And yesterday I did "Home." Of course, that's "Angel." Still. I was lame. Commentary for the blind: "And here's where he walks in and they fight. Oh, I guess you can see that. Nevermind."
edited by Tim Minear on Jun 14, 2003 9:05:36 am PDT

Tim Minear - Jun 14, 2003 9:16:41 am PDT #9264 of 9273
"So Tim, is "Heart of Gold" supposed to take place after "Trash" and "The Message" or before "Objects in Space"?"
Both. The order, and (to the best of my recollection) the way it'll shake out on the DVDs is:
Trash,
The Message,
Heart Of Gold,
Objects In Space
Joss made a minor adjustment in "Objects" when we aired it, and restored said change for the DVD order.
edited by Tim Minear on Jun 14, 2003 9:20:14 am PDT

OUTLANDER

Monday, June 16, 2003 12:28 PM

I'm happy. Objects In Space is my favourite episode and it also gives the series a nice conclusion. The crew feels like a family at the end of this episode, also river seems at here most improved stage at the end.

Also all the relationships seem more advanced in this episode than they do in any of the others, for example Kaylee's and Simon's relation ship seems to be bordering on a kind of boyfriend/girlfriend thing.

I could never quite work it out, but I kept getting the feeling that Trash and The Message never felt right being watched after Objects In Space. Now I know why.

So the order now is:-

SERENITY
THE TRAIN
BUSHWHACKED
SHINDIG
SAFE
OUR MRS. REYNOLDS
JAYNESTOWN
OUT OF GAS
ARIEL
WAR STORIES
TRASH
THE MESSAGE
HEAR OF GOLD
OBJECTS IN SPACE

KAYTHRYN

Monday, June 16, 2003 3:42 PM

When I first heard someone say that OiS came last I went and watched the eps in that order just to see. Its really great, everything flows from one ep to the next except for one thing-- In the Message Jayne refers to River as a psychic, and in OiS, the issue comes up, and he hears about it for the first time. The only explanation I can think of at the moment is that maybe that scene in The Message was added after they found out that OiS was to be aired first in the US. Anyone have a reason for why the psychic thing doesn’t fit?

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

SARAHETC

Monday, June 16, 2003 4:10 PM

Well, Tim said that Joss changed OiS for air. Could be the knowing-not knowing thing.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

PHYSICSCHICK

Monday, June 16, 2003 4:31 PM

I can't wait to see on the DVDs how it was supposed to be at first. Yippee! How much longer till December?

TVDIR

Monday, June 16, 2003 5:30 PM

I'm confused how OIS could be the last episode. Reason. When Fox cancelled the series (or put it on hiatus), the FF crew were shooting two more episodes before wrapping. I believe they were about to shoot maybe Message or Heart. OIS already aired that week, because Fox announced that they wouldn't be picking up any more new episodes. It was a week before Serenity aired. Right????

JAGO

Monday, June 16, 2003 5:36 PM

I'm also confused,

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at the end of HoG Inara says she's going to leave.

MANIACNUMBERONE

Monday, June 16, 2003 6:37 PM

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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
When I first heard someone say that OiS came last I went and watched the eps in that order just to see. Its really great, everything flows from one ep to the next except for one thing-- In the Message Jayne refers to River as a psychic, and in OiS, the issue comes up, and he hears about it for the first time. The only explanation I can think of at the moment is that maybe that scene in The Message was added after they found out that OiS was to be aired first in the US. Anyone have a reason for why the psychic thing doesn’t fit?

Sarah could be right, but I thought that part of the reason River's psychic ability came up in OIS was because it was becoming obvious to all the crew that she was Psychic. That could only mean there were many indications about River in the past. Book couldn't deny his fellings when asked in OIS... it was too plain to him what the truth was.

TVDIR

Monday, June 16, 2003 7:23 PM

I also remembered that one of the last episodes to be filmed was "The Message", because of the opening sequence in the mall. They were filming that scene when the show was already put on hiatus.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 16, 2003 7:27 PM

Jayne was surprised when the possibility River was psychic came up so the idea that he could somehow already know when The Message was around before OiS just doesn’t fit. Also River makes reference to OiS in Trash when talking to Jayne. Even if she could see that far into the future (there is no evidence to support this) Jayne wouldn’t be able to understand.

I think that the episode orders on the scripts (HoG OiS Trash TM) seems right (except for the ending of HoG) so if we assume Tim remembered right I think that stuff got left over from before they decided to air them in that order which messed up the continuity.

That or Jayne is psychic and River knows about it so when both Jayne and River make reference to things that haven’t happened yet it isn’t a problem. And Simon believes River’s psychicness before he knows she is psychic because he is either very trusting of a person he thinks suffers from “paranoid schizophrenia” when she tells him things she couldn’t possibly know, or he’s just a lucky moron.

That’s all I can do to explain it, Jayne and River can see episodes into the future and Simon is a lucky moron, or Tim remembered wrong, or the continuity sucks. Hate to say it but it’s most likely that the continuity sucks because it doesn’t make sense that Tim would be that far off.

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