'Youths' in Paris continue to riot.
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I haven't, but then there are precious few recent photos of him, but I read somewhere that he had twelve wives.
Auraptor. I agree. While I support the rights of any separatist society to do whatever it wants as long as it isn't harming anyone else, they should also do it on their own turf. If they emmigrate to France to reap the welfare benefits of the social safety net in France, which they did, then they should learn to live by the rules of France, which they won't.
I think the european immigration policy is a recipe for unmitigated disaster. They should either adopt the American standard of "prove that you will be a benefit to the country" or an even stricter policy. After all, we have a lot of space, but they don't. The more people who hate each other get crammed in close to one another, the worse things will get.
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1. Osama Bin Laden seems awfully concerned about what goes on in the day to day lives of the French if he's not involved.
2. Religion has everything to do with the hate. People don't hate them so much because of the bumming. Bumming off the system is in in europe these days. They hate them because of the Jihad.
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On the other hand, you - like AURaptor and Hero- seem to want to belive that all Muslims everywhere are the same and have the same goals. Chechnyan rebels, Iranians, and North African Muslims are all not the same.
Because we're right. The Chechen Rebels ARE in league with Osama Bin Laden. Very very directly. Iran is not. I never said Iran was mixed in with this. The new Iranian president wants to be mixed in with it, but the Iranians largely don't, so they should fire him, and go back to being separatists. The north africans in france, and the Sudan have Al Qaeda connections, we're not making this up.
You don't want to become a fellow traveller of these people. Trust me, you really don't. There will come a day when they get their hands on an atomic weapon or two or twelve, and things will get very ugly. These people, Al Qaeda, really believe that the west in all its forms must be destroyed, wiped off the face of the Earth because it is the will of God. Not a lot is going to stop them if we don't.
For the record, the Chechen rebels are an Al Qaeda cell. If you don't believe me, go as them.
The French terrorists are an Al Qaeda cell.
Janjaweed used to be an Al Qaeda cell, but then they went solo.
The militia that invaded Darfur is still an active Al Qaeda cell.
Al Zarqawi was an Al Qaeda cell, I don't know if he is still connected with them
The Mahdi in Iraq have no connection to Al Qaeda.
The Mujadeen in Afg. are still a part of Al Qaeda
The Taliban were Al Qaeda allies, but they are not an Al Qaeda cell.
I know a fair amount about this. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass. I'm not a fear merchant, I think an organized offensive could take them out, I think that some peace might eventually be possible by giving them there own private Israel or something, but not today. Right now they are convinced that they are going to win. We have to make it clear that that is not necessarily the case before any negotiation will be possible.
I know that the vast majority of Mulsims everywhere, as in France, are not Al Qaeda. But that does not mean that Al Qaeda is not stirring up trouble in France. I feel quite certain they are.
I think it serves Bin Laden's interests to have conflicts everywhere between particularly white westerners and Muslims. It's best for him if this is white western authority squashing poor muslims like bugs.
It's an advertising scheme. Bin Laden has made his reputation on predicting what the enemy will do. He says if the US is the evil greedy empire I say it is then they will invade and occupy an oil rich arab nation. Then we do, and the muslim people say, hey, that guy was right. Probably Bin Laden already knew the US was planning it, so he stepped in and vagued it up like prophecy. Well the new word is that the west is out to squash islam where ever it finds it. It's in Bin Laden's interests to see that it comes to pass.
So, he fills a school foundation in Russia with bombs, and kills a lot of Russian children, and the Russians respond just how Bin Laden wants them to. By squashing poor muslims like bugs.
He's a clever guy, and very powerful. And yes, he's everywhere you don't want to be.
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Bin Laden a socialist?
Excuse me!!
He's a millionaire Saudi who hates
socialists and any secular creed.
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Checkout the other threads Howard. Dreamtrove has redefined "socialist" as "anyone I don't like and/or any truely evil b*d since the beginning of time..." Please don't get him started again. Everything else he's saying is bang on the money. Don't make the mistake of thinking that AlQ has some big war room somewhere and Bin Laden calls the shots. They provide money and know how to other disaffected groups with other petty and often local greavences. What Bin Laden does is to inject money and stir things up in the regions of conflict. I've read reports comming out of Iraq that the Iraqi insurgents --- ie the folks that live there --- are starting to fight AlQ's lot because they are now targeting Sunni Muslims in an attempt to start a civil war. Not nice people.
Osama has been married five times and currently has 4 wives and I believe at least 24 children. He follows standard Saudi practice --- legally he can have only 4 wives at a time so he divorces one when he takes a new one. One woman claims he kept her as a sex slave while he was living in Morocco. So probably not gay and definately not a good date.
These kids in France come from former French colonies in North Africa and have come to France as economic refugees. Until recently France favoured immigrants and guest workers who spoke French as a first language but the EU has open borders, so a lot of the menial jobs these people used to do have been taken by better educated and more ambitious folk from eastern Europe.
France is a secular state, a consititutional republic not a socialist state as some people suggest. Chirac if you could call him anything is a nationalist and is considered a conservative in France.
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Originally posted by Hero:
The French acted stupidly by failing to stand in solidarity with the United States and Britain. France is behind much of the drawn out turmoil facing the world.
Hear Hear,
The French betrayed themselves and the rest of the West with their treachery in dealing with Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. They are now reaping the bitter harvest of their misdeeds.
I believe Spain and Germany are next.
Andrew Lynch
Don't forget what happened to Theo Van Gogh in Holland.
From Wikipedia...
" Van Gogh was murdered in the early morning of Tuesday November 2, 2004, in Amsterdam in front of the Amsterdam East borough office (stadsdeelkantoor) on the corner of the Linnaeusstraat and Tweede Oosterparkstraat streets. He was shot with eight bullets from a HS2000 (a handgun produced in 2000 in Croatia) and died on the spot. His throat was slit, and he was then stabbed in the chest. Two knives were left implanted in his torso, one pinning a five-page note to his body. The note (Text) threatened Western governments, Jews and Hirsi Ali (who went into hiding). The note also contains references to the ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.
The murderer Mohammed Bouyeri, a 26-year-old man of Dutch and Moroccan nationalities, was apprehended by the police after being shot in the leg. Although born in Amsterdam, well-educated and apparently well-integrated, Bouyeri became a Muslim extremist and has alleged terrorist ties with the Dutch Hofstad Network. In most Dutch media the suspect is called Mohammed B., since it is common practice in The Netherlands to abbreviate the surnames of crime suspects (or even convicts) in order to protect their privacy. He is also charged with attempted murder of a police officer and bystander, illegal possession of a firearm, and conspiring to murder others, including Hirsi Ali. He was convicted on July 26, 2005 and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole."
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
1. Osama Bin Laden seems awfully concerned about what goes on in the day to day lives of the French if he's not involved.
I follow world news in what many of the folks I know condsider a sick fashion, and frankly, in the last few years I can remember very, very few (read - none) massive Al-Qaida strikes in France, or videos released calling for French destruction. And the one time I do recall, the headscarf issue, was quickly resolved.
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2. Religion has everything to do with the hate. People don't hate them so much because of the bumming. Bumming off the system is in in europe these days. They hate them because of the Jihad.
The people do hate them so much because of the bumming. Before Osama was even a blip on the radar the French were having this problem (as well as the Germans with the Turks). It's been going on since the French problems with Algeria, beginning in the 50's (if not before).
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Because we're right.
That's debatable.
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The north africans in france, and the Sudan have Al Qaeda connections, we're not making this up.
You might not be making it up about SOME of them. You really the majority of Chechnyan separatists care about BinLadin? You really think the majority of North Africans are all in one giant AlQaida cell? As I said before, it's just like me saying all Christians are involved in abortion clinic bombing; while many normally decent folks probably aren't losing any sleep over it (though they should be), it is too broad a statement to make.
And, if you've been looking, the riots were started over a typical issue that starts riots,
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The troubles were triggered by the deaths of two teenagers electrocuted in a power substation where they hid to escape police whom they thought were chasing them. A third was injured but survived. Officials have said police were not pursuing the boys, aged 15 and 17.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/01/france.riots.ap/
NOT a religious issue. Just because some of the rioters (not even all) are Muslim, you want to turn it into Osama, Osama, Osama.
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You don't want to become a fellow traveller of these people. Trust me, you really don't.
And here's where you lost all my respect for you. I hate condescending attitudes.
Quote:Every single one? Wow. I addressed this already this post though.
For the record, the Chechen rebels are an Al Qaeda cell.
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If you don't believe me, go as them.
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The French terrorists ...
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It's an advertising scheme.
So far the first time in this thread you were correct, except not in the way I think you mean. It is an advertising scheme. Let's paint everyone as a terrorist, that way we can ignore social issues and get rich fighting an imaginary war on a CONCEPT.
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Bin Laden has made his reputation on predicting what the enemy will do. He says if the US is the evil greedy empire I say it is then they will invade and occupy an oil rich arab nation. Then we do, and the muslim people say, hey, that guy was right.
Then it seems to me, the problem isn't the common Muslim. It's an administration that thinks it can go in and kick over sandboxes for profit and no one will care. Except they do care, and with every bomb we drop we set the peace process back another 5 years. We are playing right into his hands, yet we have a President that isn't focused on apprehending him. Maybe, had we caught him before trying to establish democracy in a country that didn't want it, we wouldn't have as many problems (but that's neither here nor there).
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Well the new word is that the west is out to squash islam where ever it finds it.
Crusade. Dead or Alive. Bring 'em on. Nuke Mecca. Wonder where they got that idea? (and no, before anyone jumps in with it, I don't think Clinton did all that great a job either)
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“All we demand is to be left alone” said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local Emirs engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheikhs, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities. Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be re-organized on the basis of the Millet system.
In Clichy itself more than 80 percent of the inhabitants are Muslim from Arab and black Africa.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=72731&d=5&m=11&y=200
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Muslim clerics are scrambling to control the Muslim Proletariate in French Islamic cities, we can pretend that the riots have nothing to do with religion, but thats just wishful thinking. It matters less what the rioters are doing, but who controls them is the issue. If the French fail to deport the radical Islamic puppetmasters we will see more of France burn.
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ADD: Muslim Brotherhood Movement
http://www.ummah.net/ikhwan/
Manifesto #4 excerpt
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4- Political Activism: By putting political programs for "Islamising" government in different countries (after realistic studies), and establishing these programs thru the convenient ways which do not conflict with Islam.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15344
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I'm educating a new generation in the CIA that the Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist organization that was hired by Western intelligence that evolved over time into what we today know as al-Qaeda.
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Okay A**holes
1. Bin Laden is not a socialist. Someone else said he was. Not me.
2. I never called bin laden a socialist.
3. WTF is up with people that are trying to re-invent me as boogeyman
4. I never reinvented socialist or redefined it, I posted the wikipedia definition and expanded on that in an incredibly consistant manner.
5. I never call evil people socialists because their evil.
6. It's not my fault that socialists have killed a couple hundred million people.
7. From the posts, none of these socialism apologists seems to mind the senseless mass slaughter of civilians.
8. If you love commies and nazis, go ahead, but don't blame me.
Moving on...
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I believe Spain and Germany are next.
I think you're right. Much of europe has been playing a dangerous be nice to Al Qaeda game and it's paying off in massive death. It's like the kid who learns that beating people up gets some other kids to do what he says, so he beats those kids up more.
You forgot that Russia has already fallen victim to this for the same reason. Now they have fried school children to show for it.
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1. I too follow obsessively, France came up three times I think. I was surprised he cared at all. But old europe in general seems to be a focus if Osama Ire.
2. Bumming might be a factor. When debating with people who slam everything you say, there is a tendency to state more extreme positions than you actually support.
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Because we're right.
That's debatable.
Of course it is. But it's so much fun to say :)
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You might not be making it up about SOME of them. You really the majority of Chechnyan separatists care about BinLadin? You really think the majority of North Africans are all in one giant AlQaida cell? As I said before, it's just like me saying all Christians are involved in abortion clinic bombing; while many normally decent folks probably aren't losing any sleep over it (though they should be), it is too broad a statement to make.
1. No I'm not making any of it up. Bin Laden cut a deal with the US in '89 to focus on Soviet issues, and those soviet issues became chechnya. I figure this is locked in. They are certainly Al Qaeda, their the mainstay of Al Qaeda version 1.0
2. Then bin laden was kicked of of Afgh, and moved to Sudan. There he said up the Janjaweed, but later they went independent, and he replaced them with the group who are now fighting the janjaweed. I grant that janjaweed are the greater evil, and the active al qaeda cell who was hired by Deby of Chad to invade is actually less dangerous, but their action was the impetus for the disaster. The ironic this is that Deby hired an active Al Qaeda militia to invade darfur which chad and darfur both claim should be part of chad, but he hired them with money bush gave him through the panel-sahel initiative to fight al qaeda. For you conspiracy theorists out there, here's a crumb, There is also a pan-sahel pipeline project that is closely tied in to all of this. In theory when built it would run from darfur to chad and then down to cameroon.
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As I said before, it's just like me saying all Christians are involved in abortion clinic bombing
No, it's not, it's really not. You got twisted in the logic there. It's like you saying "all abortion bombings lead back to chrsitians" and as a generalization that is probably true most of the time.
4. Sure there will be exceptions. I have no evidence that the violence in East Timor was connected to Bin Laden, it was muslim unrest, so maybe it had Al Qaeda links. But I don't know of any so I'm not saying so. I'm actually only saying what I know or have strong reason to believe. But if someone were to present me with a compelling case for a link between east timor and al qaeda, I would accept it.
5. The two teens, I am aware of the issue. But this is an exaggerated trigger. The fact is riots don't happen because of rodney king, they happen because of a riot prone situation of tension which has been building for years. It's like filling a room full of gas, and throwing a spark.
6. Sorry, I didn't mean to condescend. I think everyone in this forum has offended everyone once or twice. I agree, I hate condescending attitudes too. This really isn't what I meant.
What I meant was just because you don't buy Bush's war on terror (neither do I) it doesn't mean Al Qaeda isn't a serious threat.
Remember when this all started, Bush was looking for a Muslim enemy in Afgh/Iran/Iraq/Syria, because those were the PNAC targets.
At this time, Bush and co knew dick about AL Qaeda. They had Richard Clarke jumping up and down shouting at them "it's al qaeda, they're going to bomb the US" and they repeatedly told him to go away and shut up.
Bush was bent on a war on muslims and a war on terror was a perfect match. Therefore, not just Bush but
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It is an advertising scheme. Let's paint everyone as a terrorist, that way we can ignore social issues and get rich fighting an imaginary war on a CONCEPT.
I really agree, and every tin pot dictator in the world is signing up so that they can abuse their mino
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Yes, govts. often exacerbate the problem, like putin and his bedmate russneft, or russtheft as I call it, going in and taking all the oil from chechnya. Strange how whereever there's islam there seems to be oil.
Hmm. This merits some more thought. I think it may prove that there's oil everywhere and only muslims know how to find it because of connections to saudis or something. Some well kept secret like the masons.
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