More/Latest Torture News--From the CIA's secret prisons
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Report: CIA holds terror suspects in secret prisons
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/02/cia.report.ap/index.html
NEW YORK (AP) -- The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement, the Washington Post reported.
The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents, the paper said Tuesday.
The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism, the Post said.
It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.
The existence and locations of the facilities -- referred to as "black sites" in classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents -- are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country, it said.
The CIA and the White House, citing national security concerns and the value of the program, have dissuaded Congress from demanding that the agency answer questions in open testimony about the conditions under which captives are held.
Virtually nothing is known about who is kept in the facilities, what interrogation methods are employed with them, or how decisions are made about whether they should be detained or for how long.
While the Defense Department has produced volumes of public reports and testimony about its detention practices and rules after the abuse scandals at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay, the CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites.
To do so, officials familiar with the program told the Post, could open the U.S. government to legal challenges, particularly in foreign courts, and increase the risk of political condemnation at home and abroad.
But the revelations of widespread prisoner abuse in Afghanistan and Iraq by the U.S. military -- which operates under published rules and transparent oversight of Congress -- have increased concern among lawmakers, foreign governments and human rights groups about the opaque CIA system.
Those concerns escalated last month, when Vice President Cheney and CIA Director Porter J. Goss asked Congress to exempt CIA employees from legislation already endorsed by 90 senators that would bar cruel and degrading treatment of any prisoner in U.S. custody.
Although the CIA will not acknowledge details of its system, intelligence officials defend the agency's approach, arguing that the successful defense of the country requires that the agency be empowered to hold and interrogate suspected terrorists for as long as necessary and without restrictions imposed by the U.S. legal system or even by the military tribunals established for prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay.
The Washington Post said it is not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program, at the request of senior U.S. officials.
They argued that the disclosure might disrupt counterterrorism efforts in those countries and elsewhere and could make them targets of possible terrorist retaliation.
The secret detention system was conceived in the chaotic and anxious first months after the September 11, 2001, attacks, when the working assumption was that a second strike was imminent.
Since then, the arrangement has been increasingly debated within the CIA, where considerable concern lingers about the legality, morality and practicality of holding even unrepentant te
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This is news.....why? It only makes perfect sense that the most evil and important of al Qaeda's organization be kept in secret. They deserve everthing they get.
As for how this story got leaked, I'm not too keen on that note. This is far more damaging, in a real world sense, than what the Dems are trying to trump up about what Scooter Libby did.
Gee, if the CIA can leak this sort of stuff, why is it so hard to imagine to think they'd do the same about Val Plame? Hmmmm......
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Yeah, it's important that we only torture people in designated areas. We can't have agents of our government torturing people just anywhere.
Perhaps the people torturing our sons and daughters in uniform will extend them the same courtesy. It would be the polite thing to do.
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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Quote:Auraptor: What makes you think the CIA (of all organizations) leaked this? It destroys their credibility AND (if true) their operations- please give them the benefit of not shooting themselves in the foot so blatantly. Don't you realize there's been bad blood between the White House and the CIA ever since whenever? If anybody leaked this, it would be the White House trying to destroy the CIA's credibility before the Libby trial. Sheesh! We really DO need a rolleyes emoticon!
Gee, if the CIA can leak this sort of stuff, why is it so hard to imagine to think they'd do the same about Val Plame? Hmmmm...
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Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Yep. And WE deserve to give it to 'em.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is news.....why? It only makes perfect sense that the most evil and important of al Qaeda's organization be kept in secret. They deserve everthing they get.
It's not like they're human or anything.
Bastards shoulda stayed unborn, if ya ask me.
We oughta nuke that whole side of the planet!
Filthy indiginous biped scum!
WHO ASKED THEM TO GET PISSED OFF AT OUR PRESENCE???!!!
Yep. Lower 'em all into meat grinders slowly, that'll teach 'em how morally superior we are!
Wow. Didn't mean to rant.
I'll get back to my fly now. He has another wing left.
Chrisisall
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It's what they deserve for living on top of OUR oil.
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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What secret prisons? I don't see any secret prisons. Prove to me there are secret prisons. Go on. Prove it.
Wait...is that a secret prison I see? Sorry. Its my office's water cooler. My bad. Wait! Nope, a copy machine. I'll keep looking, but I don't think we're gonna find anything.
I can find you a real prison. Heck, I live in Ohio, we got lots of that.
H
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Quote:Hero, you're not adding anything to the discussion!
Originally posted by Hero:
Wait...is that a secret prison I see? Sorry. Its my office's water cooler.
Now, will it hurt the fly more if I pull on the wing laterally, or just straight up?
Chrisisall, sure that it's an Al-Queda fly
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Quote:
Originally posted by R1Z:
It's what they deserve for living on top of OUR oil.
Note for future use: They're soaking up OUR solar energy, too.
Rat bastards Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Hero, you're not adding anything to the discussion!
Originally posted by Hero:
Wait...is that a secret prison I see? Sorry. Its my office's water cooler.
Now, will it hurt the fly more if I pull on the wing laterally, or just straight up?
Chrisisall, sure that it's an Al-Queda fly
My point is that there's no discussion to add to. Here's an example. Chrisihall beats his wife says I. The question is not, were is the proof, rather its: Chrisiall, why do you beat your wife?
I suggest that while there may be secret prisons, they are almost certainly located next to the alien anal probe labs and the dinosaur breeding pens. I'm not denying they exist, I'm just suggesting they might be a tad hard to locate.
For the record, I'm in favor of the secret terrorist prisons and what better place for them then the former eastern block since they know how to do that stuff and have all those empty Commie prisons lying round unused. A little capitalism and a worldwide war on terror and poof, a cottage industry is born.
H
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