SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what?
POSTED BY: Howard
UPDATED: Friday, November 4, 2005 01:41
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I also believe in a division between "films" and "movies". And I believe that just because a film/movie is in a foreign language, it is not automatically of higher quality. As the saying goes, 90% of everything is crap. Including foreign films. Artsy pretentiouse crap is still crap.
Ah-HAH!! There's a particularly excellent description of this 'divide' that most non-filmmaking folks never think of, I suspect. It's from Dov S-S Simens, a unique, some might say, ummm... "renegade"... independent film-production instructor, in his indispensable book "From Real to Deal." He says, every movie was a "film" once - that's how they all start, as: "Films. They don't become "movies" until they sell that first ticket to a member of the movie-going public. Once that "Film" is in a theater and has begun to sell tickets, it becomes - irrevocably and for all time - a "movie."
HOHOHO
...works for me...
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First, and I can't believe it hasn't been said before this, Howard, your mouth is talking. You might want to look to that.
Second, I consider Serenity to be one of the best movies ever made. Why? Well, the characters. The ship. The 'verse and all the shiny gos se in it. The ruttin' reavers. No ruttin' aliens. Believability. All the things that the 'great' sci-fi movies lacked. You can believe in Serenity. You don't need 400 poorly written books to make the 'verse come alive, ala Star Wars and Star Trek. The 'verse just is and that makes it all shiny.
Ballyhoo the BDM all you want. I encourage it. You can go hang out with Niska. You remember how smart he was right? It's where you belong. A Browncoat doesn't lay down arms. Those gorram feds at FOX and the purple bellies at Universal said they were gonna stroll through Serenity Valley and we made them choke on those words.
Now, for all you Bendises out there, 'Nice covering fire.'
Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might want to look to that.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I wanna see a version all in Greedo's language!!!
Originally posted by InsanityLater:
Hey.. why not do the whole thing in Mandarin
Mal: " Oooh la schulpa!"
Operative: "Yah, kappa tool tuk!"
Them's fightin' words!
Chrisisall, interpreter
actually, Greedo says "oola goota, solo?" which translates to "going somewhere, solo?"
and the launguage is rodian.
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To those who worship at the alter of
THE TERMINATOR and never had any qualms
giving your movie to a studio for an
Arnie slaighter flick:
see:
http://www.slate.com/id/2086742/
The only flaw in this article is at the end
when the author presumes that the election
in California would be run on lines that
could be recognised as a legitimate electorial
process representative of the broad populace.
No such event took place.
Arnold Schwarzenegger became Gov of California
the same way Bush became President. Via the
total corruption of electorial procedure and
massive corporate corruption which included
by the way his friends at ENRON faking an
energy shortage to cause chaos under the
previous administration.
In addition to Arnold Schwarzenegger's history
of befriending and campaigning for a well
known Nazi one should not forgwet Arnold
Schwarzenegger's support for the
Reagan/Bush regime. At a time when the Reagan
gang had US armed,trained and financed Neo-
Nazi death squads rampaging through Central
America who accounted for the hideous murder
incorporating rape and mutilation of an
estimated 300,000 men, women and children.
The same administration who armed and aided
the racist National Socialist tyranny of
White Minority rule in South Africa.
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I do found it amusing that when I write
in depth about anything citing specific
cases that can be researched and so forth
certain persons condascend by calling it
"a rant".
I cannot help but imagine that if I was
to write a glowing praise of Arnold
Schwarzenegger no such word would be applied
by such reactionary minded surfs.
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Your all over the place with this topic, Howard.
Just because some of us liked THE TERMINATOR doesn't mean we're Schwarzeneggar/Bush supporters. Some undoubtedly are, but don't lump us all together.
For one, I pratically loath Bush. I do not live in California, so the gubenatorial race didn't effect me, but I assure you if I did live in CA, I would not have voted for ol' Arnie. Hell, I'm not particularly a fan of his, it's just that someone brought up a movie that he happened to be in, which most people here consider to be a very good movie.
And people are calling your posts rants because you...RANT. Having sources doesn't change the fact that it's a rant. You started this thread with an aggressive, superior attitude, and have continued that position in each subsequent post.
And having sources does not automatically legitimize your argument. In today's internet age, anyone can find backing for ANY position if they look hard enough.
Besides, some of us here don't really disagree with you.
Lots of crap films out there: Agreed.
People should watch more high-minded films: Agreed.
Corporate America Bad, Grrrr: Agreed.
Everone who doesn't watch "enlightened cinema like Howard" is a mouth-breathing simpleton: Well, that's where you loose most of us.
And come on, it's not like all the films on your list are enlightened. I believe you listed "RUN LOLA RUN" (Though I prefer the original title: LOLA RENDT - See, I can be pretentiouse too).
Now, I love that movie, and have seen it a lot. But it's a textbook case of style over substance. It was a movie with 30 minutes of story, with a gimmick that had already been done in a Bill Murray movie, and an episode of Star Trek.
I think it's pretty easy to make the case that the movie about the cyborg from the future had more social commentary and subtext than the movie about a girl running across town to bail her boyfriend out of a botched drug deal.
So, in other words...get over yourself.
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STORYMARK:
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!
For not conforming to your narrow
thread dictatorship!
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!
For expanding topics and responding
to remarks made by others.
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!
For having the inclination to share
culture and knowledge.
EXCUSE ME!!!
For rocking the comfortable delusion
of your childish playpen world view.
Now this is a rant, a justified one,
but one I admit. One you provoked!
I firmly reject the notion that my
paragraphs on FOX / Terminator etc
were a rant. They were perfectly calm
and accurate sentences pertaining to
information and facts draw from the
public domain to provoke a meaningful
discourse.
You and your chums of course could never be
accused of ranting. That is only for others
right?
Your definition of "ranting" = someone who
disagrees with you.
Last but not least:
Since when did a "rant" become a criminal
offense?
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Howard
people here want you to "share
culture and knowledge" but doing it in such a confrontational and pretentious manner will just get people angry... as it has
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Liu koushui de biaozi he houzi de ben erzi.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Howard:
The films of James Cameron are precisely the
kind of stalwarts that are used to block any
kind of enlightened cinema from the mainstream
and the paradox is that the more money a movie
of that type has got behind it the more the
corporate mass media gives it massive free
publicity. To studios who can well afford their
own PR. While indie and medium budget films
with more thoughtful and challenging content
and very small PR budgets receive no such
generosity from the corporate mass media.
So is your issue more with the large studio system or the quality of the films? Steven Spielburg made a lot of fun movies (Indiana Jones) and also great film (Schinlder's List).
While Cameron is responsible for some great action movies, he's also responsible for inventing new deep-sea cameras to investigate wrecks like Titanic.
I can agree that the studio's push out a lot of garbage; but the public doesn't swallow it whole if the box office for this year is any indication. Another thing to note is unless you live in New York or Los Angeles, the chances of seeing smaller films is nil; the small theaters that would show such fare are an endangerd species even in good sized cities like Denver, and the large cineplexes can't make enough money to stay open with them.
When I go to the movies, I want to be entertained, I want to forget for two hours the real world and all of the problems it contains. I don't need to see a cancer patient die, I've been there, I don't need to see the ravages of war, I've seen them. I want the happy ending, real life doesn't have one.
Lady Shelley
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http://www.redhawke.org
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