SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what?
POSTED BY: Howard
UPDATED: Friday, November 4, 2005 01:41
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Actually I never liked CITIZEN KANE
I much prefer THE TRIAL and so did
Mr Welles.
For years I felt alone in saying that
THE TRIAL is a better Welles film
than KANE. Until a wonderful LASERDISC
of THE TRIAL was released and in the
liner notes Welles is quoted in an]
interview as saying that for me THE
TRIAL is better.
The problem with the likes of THE TERMINATOR
is that giving your money for that crap just
encourages the studios.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Qualification: 'Best movies ever made' meaning a cross section to include musicals, drama, science-fiction, and comedy.....
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Okay...
I'll start:
Here's one: speaking as a film maker (writer/producer), I THINK 'SERENITY' IS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES EVER MADE.
Now, who'll 'second' me on this commotion?
Then DAMN RIGHT Serenity's one of the BEST movies EVER MADE!!!!!
You are seconded!
Chrisisall!
I know I'm supposed to say "third", but it sounds so silly :P Anyway count me in ;) It's straight through amazing, I can't wait to see it again. I've been to other movies maybe a second time to show it to a friend, but this one keeps dragging me back, cause I simply can't get enough of it!
*~*~*
"Joss, if you kill him now I'll stuff a compression coil up your ass sideways!"
~ Kaylee, "Serenity in 2000 words or less"
Kaylee's the perfect woman!
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Unsardonic wrote:
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Here's one: speaking as a film maker (writer/producer), I THINK 'SERENITY' IS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES EVER MADE.
And, By GAWD, I can go on for MONTHS about the bajillion reasons why. I agree with all the lists on this thread - many are movies that I consider "perfect - very many...
Now, who'll 'second' me on this commotion?
As to the lists: I notice none of you mentioned Piero Pasolini and I ...welll... if ya wanna intense cinema experience, just check out 'Salo' some time... this movie is soo Friggin' Intense, most people simply can't make it through a half hour, well... any amount of it. It stunned me so much that I was able to watch the entire thing, well... it was like, kinda, a trainwreck... or Meatloaf or Wendy O. & the Plasmatics in concert: you can't avert your eyes; you must look... because it's truly unbelievable. So after it finished, I watched it all over again, just 'cause I couldn't believe I'd seen it all the way through once.
Hey Unsardonic how you doing? I don't think we've conversed before. I have a few dozen things I'd like to talk to you about. All friendly no worries.
I've seen Salo and I wanted to discuss it with you because I didn't think it such a tour de force.
You see, we were encouraged to see it in our own time while I was at college, all those years ago and personally I found it redundant.
I say this not coz I was shocked, I'm not the shockable kinda fellow, no just that for me 'shocking' cinema is a one trick pony. I also find that it is so easy to render a viewer shocked, that it falls into the catagory of 'easy' cinema and really ultimately little is achieved.
Now I don't mean to sound so flippant, clearly it was a well thought out piece of work, but aside from the elements of shock what else have you? Also wouldn't it have been a greater achievement, from Passolini's point of view if he had utilised the camera in a more subtle way to evocke the horror within the narrative? What he has done is really perverse the medium, so much so that, he creates to much attention to 'set-up' and scenes. Making the entire work a series of 'sketches' almost of violence... In other words you can see it coming, to the point of well:
"We're going to witness a shocking act"
Ooops
"Here is the shocking act!"
and
"That was the shocking act, how shocking eh?"
I generally regard films that purposefully attempt to shock as lazy cinema. Cronenberg does this for the main, to my mind, some of Godards stuff too, (not a fan of his stuff really) and the intellectualizing of its' [the film's] subject matter does not make it an intelligent piece of work.
Secondly: I see you're a write and producer.....
hmmmm wanna collaborate on something? I'm a cartoonist.
And I second what you said about SERENITY. It is a cracking film.
Cheers
The
Somnambulist
www.cirqus.com
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Here's one: speaking as a film maker (writer/producer), I THINK 'SERENITY' IS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES EVER MADE.
Yes, me too. I think it beats a few things on the lists above as well.
Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!
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Originally posted by liminalosity:Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Here's one: speaking as a film maker (writer/producer), I THINK 'SERENITY' IS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES EVER MADE.
Yes, me too. I think it beats a few things on the lists above as well.
Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!
Yeah, I'm gonna have to . . . um, fifth? that. Whatever. It's an awesome movie. Note: I also totally liked Terminator. But that apparently makes me a person of lesser intelligence.
I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.
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I didn't want to start a new thread but have y'all seen this review of Serenity?
www.worldsgreatestcritic.com/serenity.html#title
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Please don't think they give a shit.
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I have to join up with the camp that thinks SERENITY is a great movie, a new sci-fi classic.
I also consider THE TERMINATOR to be a modern sci-fi classic.
As far as all these lists go, I've not seen all the films listed by any means. But I have seen several. I liked some, didn't like others.
I also believe in a division between "films" and "movies". And I believe that just because a film/movie is in a foreign language, it is not automatically of higher quality. As the saying goes, 90% of everything is crap. Including foreign films. Artsy pretentiouse crap is still crap.
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Originally posted by Howard:
The problem with the likes of THE TERMINATOR
is that giving your money for that crap just
encourages the studios.
Boy, he just keeps insulting people, doesn't he. Terminator 2 is my favorite movie ever. I hope people keep giving money to my favorite movies so they make more like them. Most people I know like to go to movies to be entertained. My favorite movies are ones that entertain me. Most intellectual movies do not entertain me. Thank God Howard is in the minority or all they would make would be intellectual movies and a lot of us wouldn't have any movies to watch anymore.
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Serenity is a very good movie, but it isnt one of the greatest movies ever; I enjoyed it very much and it brought me into the Firefly 'verse, for which I am glad.
Terminator and Terminator 2 were very good movies, especially Terminator II. I can't understand why anyone would think it wasnt very good.
enuff said
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hey howard, you missed a few- here are a couple of MY favorites as long as this is a thread for our own personal favorite movie lists.
And Serenity rocks and is at the top of mine...because of the characters, plain and simple.
Foul play
medicine man
dear frankie
iron giant
educating rita (chick flick)
ps. please remember that Joss had 39 mil to work with and did it in Los Angeles area and kept it with in budget by being efficient with time, knowing a good story has great strength when it comes to movies.
just my 2 cents!
I live the sky when it's just after sunset, that deep velvet blue.
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