SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what?

POSTED BY: Howard
UPDATED: Friday, November 4, 2005 01:41
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HOWARD

Monday, October 31, 2005 1:27 PM

RITAK7

Thank you for your civil response
and yes I meant the Almodovar movie.

I was not suggesting that no one enjoyed
Serenity but rather what you said and for me
the loss of a massive potential for elevating
sci fi to serious drama and gaining a deeper
content and no pandering to the easy outs.

Have you seen TODO EL PODER it totally rocks!!
The English title is spelt GIMME POWER the
DVD emphasises the English title but the
Amazon search engine has it in Spanish.

Though my list is not in any order the first
title on the list A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT is the
best written most original and inspiring recent
film. While DOWNFALL is the best docudrama of
a fictional account of true story and
THE CORPORATION is the best documentary.

SIMONWHO

Monday, October 31, 2005 1:58 PM

It's not what you said Howard, it's the way you said it. Funnily enough people tend to get rather irked if you call them stupid and demand that they watch films to your taste, particularly in a fresh thread of your own creation.

You list a large number of films but Serenity is a movie. There's a big difference. I don't need, expect nor want every film I see to be a deep, intelligent masterpiece. I like to think I'm mostly high brow but just occasionally I like to watch a Dumb and Dumber or While You Were Sleeping, both of which are great movies, just not in the same way that, say, Salvador is.

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 31, 2005 2:05 PM

Howard left out my personal favourite political film: Conan The Barbarian.

Chrisisall, on the tree of woe

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 31, 2005 2:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Howard:

THE RESPONSES TO THIS HELPFUL AND WELL INTENDED
POST PROVES THAT ON ANY ISSUE YOU PEOPLE ARE A
BUNCH OF VERY, VERY IGNORANT, CHILDISH SPOILT
BRATS! TOTALLY DEVOID OF EVEN THE SLIGHEST
CAPACITY TO LEARN ANYTHING OR TO EXPAND YOUR
HORIZONS OR DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE IN ANY WAY.

Howard, man, you know we 'reach' on the political thing, but you have to ease up on the 'you're all...' thing.
Speaking in absolutes will endear you to absolutly nobody, savy?

Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Monday, October 31, 2005 2:25 PM

Howard.

I read through your list and many of those films I have enjoyed. However I still love SERENITY.

And just to add to your list:

WAGES OF FEAR
JEAN DE FLOURETTE
MANON DE SOURCE
CITY OF THE LOST CHILDREN
LAVENDER HILL MOB
THE LADYKILLERS (Original Version)
PASSPORT TO PIMLICO
KIND HEARTS AND CORONETS
PUBLIC ENEMY (James Cagney)
ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES
THE CABINET OF DR CALIGARI

.... You know I could go on but really this is just my opinion of what I consider great films, but I by no means have the definitive manual on what classes a film as great.

I don't really understand why you appear so angered that people, myself included, loved Serenity. Perhaps you could explain your point of view a little more for me.

Personally I don't regard watching those films you listed, or watching any film for that matter, as a prerequisite for intelligence.

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

INSANITYLATER

Monday, October 31, 2005 3:00 PM

Quote:

And considering you're the one who ripped Joss and Universal for not doing 50% of Serenity's dialogue in Mandarin (that would've been exciting cinema!), I'm not sure what the rest of your opinions are worth...

Hey.. why not do the whole thing in Mandarin and get Mel Gibson to direct it?

And you really need to add Joe Versus the Volcano to the list of "must see movies".

"Serenity NOW!!! ... Insanity later."

RIVERNOT

Monday, October 31, 2005 3:11 PM

We all know Firefly was something special. Joss and company were aiming for art, which is part of the reason FOX didn't "get" it and dropped it. However, in this day and age, when movies like "The Pacifier" do well (I'll admit I rented it and the kids loved it. Gack!) what are the chances that a sci-fi drama would make it?? I loved Serenity. Great cinematic film? Not really. Fun movie? You bet. Could there have been more? Of course. Was Universal willing to allow Joss the latitude to make something more true to the series? As much as folks say Joss had free reign, I do think there were limitations he had to abide by, one of them being the potential take at the box office. It's unfortunate, but sci-fi takes a lot of money to make and, therefore, is a prisoner to the masses. Sigh.

EMBERS

Monday, October 31, 2005 3:20 PM

I like theSomnambulist's list better than Howards.
But what I really hate is Howard's condesending attitude and gross generalizations, both sure signs of the hopelessly immature and self-involved.

I loved 'Serenity' but I never said it was the greatest film of all time (WHO said that? Nobody said that)...it was a wonderfully entertaining and involving movie filled with the characters (and the ship) I love, and I personally thought the political message was right on.

My 'greatest films' list would include:
King of Hearts
Hard Day's Night
The Return of Martin Guere
Diva (the French film, in case there is another)
Enchanted April
oh this is a waste of time...there are many others...

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watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse,
and have you joined the Browncoats yet?
http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/?fuseaction=tools.invlink
&u=embers&linkID=36

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 31, 2005 3:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

Enchanted April

Ah, what a beautiful film!! It was magic.

Em, you HAVE to check out The Road Home (a hong kong film- drama, no kung-fu), I'll go on record as saying THAT is the best cinema ever (IMnotsoHO)! Please, please see that one.

Chrisisall, more than just fighting on the brain

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 31, 2005 3:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by InsanityLater:
Hey.. why not do the whole thing in Mandarin

I wanna see a version all in Greedo's language!!!

Mal: " Oooh la schulpa!"
Operative: "Yah, kappa tool tuk!"

Them's fightin' words!

Chrisisall, interpreter

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