Loved Firefly, but Serenity *sucked* (SPOLIERS)
POSTED BY: Jusl89
UPDATED: Friday, December 16, 2005 22:26
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Okay, I want to clear this up. A lot of people have been saying, "Alan Tuydk is not going to be back for the next two movies. He's going into a career in movies and will not have time to do anything having to do with Firefly." That's not true. Alan Tuydk has been in movies before ("I, Robot", "Dodgeball", "A Knight's Tale" and "28 Days") and he, like the other cast members, is signed on for all three movies.
Book's story will still be told. Joss promised that to Ron Glass when he started the movie.
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest In Peace (and then come back again!!!)
This is, of course, assuming the two sequels are conceived, produced and released. Considering the abyssmal box office numbers, I'm not confident. There is, however, a greater hope in a return to the small screen. I would prefer this, in fact. I'll take 22 episodes a year over two 120 minute movies any day. It means more Firefly!!! Of course, the DVD release and overseas figures could change this.
Theoretically, Wheedon and Tuydk might have seen the writing on the wall and gave Alan an out should the show revert to a televised version. Professional courtesy. Yes, Tuydk has done a number of feature films (and was wonderful in all of them) but most were produced after Firefly's cancellation. Alan T's budding career was not so much a reality then as it is now.
It is also possible that Wash's death was written into the series arc, and had the show continued, we would have experienced his death on the small screen. We all know that Wheedon had a much grander plan in mind when the show was killed by Fox.
Disclaimer: I hold absolutley NOTHING against Wheedon (or Alan T) for Wash's death. Creative or Business choice, he had a reason. And you can't dispute the effectiveness of the loss of a character like Wash. If this is part of the vision, so be it. There are still 7 other wonderful characters to love.
Also: the fact that Tuydk is signed on for two more films ONLY insures Tuydk's obligation to perform should the producers will it. Wheedon likely has every legal right to include or preclude any character's return. Also, it is a good way to lock in a financial deal, should any of the actors hit the big time and wish to demand more money (not that they would, it's just a precaution)
I guess I'm a pessimist. It would be wonderful to have Wash return. How emotionally fullfilling would that be? I'll keep my fingers crossed!
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Originally posted by Crusader:
Also: the fact that Tuydk is signed on for two more films ONLY insures Tuydk's obligation to perform should the producers will it. Wheedon likely has every legal right to include or preclude any character's return. Also, it is a good way to lock in a financial deal, should any of the actors hit the big time and wish to demand more money (not that they would, it's just a precaution)
To take that one stage further, they may not have signed on before the script was locked down, and indeed it could have been the case that the studio could have decreed that, following test screenings, Joss would have to keep Wash alive, despite how he wanted the story to go. Cue hastily written and filmed scene of Wash's leg getting pinned, and him somehow being able to play dead so the Reavers don't get him while eveyone else goes off.
"I threw up on your bed"
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I will agree to disagree and I disagree some much I don't know where to start so I am just leaving it at that.
~~River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logics. Doesn't make sense.~~
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Quote:Well, actually, that's not what he says, and (to me) isn't a very close paraphrase.
Originally posted by liminalosity:
Also! Thanks for the line Book burbles at the (his) end "Do whatever River says" dang, I have been trying hard to hear that one. Thanks.
The lines actually go as follows:
Book: "...River..."
(Book grabs Mal's face)
Book: "I don't care what you believe. Just believe it. Whatever you..."
He never completes the line. As written in the shooting script, it's "Whatever you have to." Apparently Joss liked the ambiguity of the uncompleted line. I'd guess that it was shot as written too, but this is the reading Joss chose in the final edit.
I'm not sure how anybody can get "Do whatever River says" out of that. While River is certainly on his mind, to me Book is simply repeating his earlier call for Mal to find something to believe in.
It's all very existential, especially when you consider that the Operative is condemned for being a true believer, while Mal is being urged to find faith.
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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.
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JUSL89,
Your comments are certainly not the first of this type here, but that doesn't make them any less unfounded. Actually, let me be more specific. Most of your problems with the movie are your own business. However, the repeated moaning about Book and Wash's death are preposterous. Yes, they are characters we loved, but they are just that - characters. As important as Browncoats are, we have absolutely no stake in the actual storytelling. You are going to tell Joss what he should do with the Firefly gang? The man that created them in the first place? It's so ridiculous. Secondly, some people on here assume they have vital information that they clearly don't have (in terms of contracts and signing on for sequels). Just because you read somewhere that all nine signed on for three sequels don't necessarily make it so. They didn't. Joss wouldn't state that as a reason for script choices because it would hang the actor out to dry with the fans (not that it should - this show may be some fans' lives, but at the end of the day, it's a job for the actors). So quit it with the Joss-bashing and the scripting-by-committee. I wouldn't even want to watch the series if the nine crew were guaranteed to live each week. Sounds like Friends-in-Space to me. And if the series had continued, do you honestly think only 2 members would be dead by now, given Joss style and track record?
So just relax and see Serenity for what it is - a nice bonus.
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Without a doubt Firefly was a fantastic series. And certainly a large number of fans were disappointed with Serenity.
I'll mention an example of how this impacted my family. I convinced our daughter (age 18) to watch a couple episodes, she was immediately hooked and loved Firefly. We saw Serenity, she was horrified at the deaths of Book and Wash. Yesterday I suggested we go see Serenity again (I've already seen it three times myself) and my daughter's reply: "No, I couldn't I can't stand to see Wash die again."
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Originally posted by MalPal:
So just relax and see Serenity for what it is - a nice bonus.
Very well said I have to agree
~~River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logics. Doesn't make sense.~~
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Originally posted by Mithel:
Yesterday I suggested we go see Serenity again (I've already seen it three times myself) and my daughter's reply: "No, I couldn't I can't stand to see Wash die again."
Unfortunately, Wash's death seems to have affected a lot of people this way (me and mine as well). Others, not so much.
Oh well, I guess that is why it is good to be in America where we are all entitled to our own opinions.
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written by Tracy:
Okay, for the nth. time - all 9 actors are signed for all three movies. Having said this:
Scene - outside of the Red Carpet Premiere Party at 'Versal Studios Hollywood.
Me: (whispering in ear) "I cried. Twice."
Alan Tudyk : (holding my hand from the greeting still) )"I'm so sorry!"
Me: "I felt staked through the chest."
AT: "Don't worry, everything will be fine. I promise you."
Later - Same place.
Me: "I kinda hate you for killing Wash."
Joss Whedon: "Well, you know... sorry."
Me: "But I do have some theories as to how you can bring him back."
JW: "Oh, you're not alone! I have like a million of them. I promise you, he'll be back. Everything's OK."
Trust Joss - he knows what he's doing. Yes, he's killed Wash. Yes, flashbacks would be the cheapest and easiest way to bring him back. I don't think that will be the case.
Wash and Book will be back.
In Joss I Trust.
Seriously, Tracy? Joss really said that? If you say yes, i will love you for life.
Please be true!!!keep flyin'
EngineAngel
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest In Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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Yes, he did say that to me - I was already fine after Alan had told me so, but Joss reassured me.
In Joss I Trust...
"Can I make a suggestion that doesn't involve violence? Or is this the wrong crowd for that?" (Wash)
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