Loved Firefly, but Serenity *sucked* (SPOLIERS)

POSTED BY: Jusl89
UPDATED: Friday, December 16, 2005 22:26
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you know Max Howard from Sprirt? I have friends that worked on Raod, I liked it, and I liked Sinbad. thought the voice choices were off tho. yea the hours were not fun. on fantasia 2000 they were 11 hour days. but in live action that is the way, 10-12 hour days. you have to be freelance there, so you can sleep inbetween jobs!

I live the sky when it's just after sunset, that deep velvet blue.

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Originally posted by ndrage85:
there are some things that had to be changed between characters to bring it to the big screen. if Joss hadn't, he would have been alienating the potential audience who aren't familiar with Firefly

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I don't buy that - its just a lame excuse.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I don't like the standard explanation because I think it defies physics. I'm fairly certain that two planes flying into the world trade centers would not cause them to collapse. This explanation would need bombs on planes, or bombs in buildings, placed there by al qaeda, for me to buy it.

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This is way off topic and I probably shouldn't propagate it further, but you're quite wrong about this.

The impact of the collisions didn't bring the buildings down. They weakened the structure and blew off the fire retardant that helped protect the beams. It was thousands of tons of burning jet fuel that completed the process, softening the steel and causing failure of the floor trusses that tied the columns to the core. That allowed the columns to buckle. After that, it was a classic case of "progressive failure", with the momentum of the falling upper stories collapsing each subsequent lower floor.

No bombs, no conspiracy, no mysteries. Most definitely, no new Physics. Just some twisted and soulless people redefining the concept of evil for the modern world.

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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'm not at all sure that OBL had anything to do with 9/11. He claimed credit for it 3 years later.

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I'm also sorry about even responding about this but I can't let this false statement go without a response. OBL claimed credit within a few months after 9/11 not 3 years. There is also a tape that had OBL and a couple other terrorist listening to a radio broadcast just after the first plane hit the first tower. The other terrorist were really happy but OBL told them to wait there will be more. Of coarse OBL was the mastermind and/or money behind 9/11.

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Could Wash's death have more to do with Alan Tuydk's growing film career and his likely unavailability to return to television in the event of a resurrection?

Dissappointed? An understatement. He was my favorite character. But he is a gifted comic/actor and brings a unique blend of his own comedy to all his work, and may have a future in film.

Perhaps this was merely business. Despite Tuydk's loyalty to and love of the show, he still needs to think about his future.

With Book, I'm not sure this was the case.

Your thoughts?

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Could Wash's death have more to do with Alan Tuydk's growing film career and his likely unavailability to return to television in the event of a resurrection?

Dissappointed? An understatement. He was my favorite character. But he is a gifted comic/actor and brings a unique blend of his own comedy to all his work, and may have a future in film.

Perhaps this was merely business. Despite Tuydk's loyalty to and love of the show, he still needs to think about his future.

With Book, I'm not sure this was the case.

Your thoughts?

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A lot of people replied with good points, I want to offer/stress two of them.

1) Wash's death heightened the seriousness of the situation for me. I was scared that they were going to kill off Kaylee and the Doc towards the end there, and I wasn't certain that River would live either. All bets were off in my mind.

I said all of that in the first person on-purpose; I don't need to go into the mind of Joss or any such nonsense. I watched the movie and that's the effect it had on me. My guess is that too many people over-analyze movies rather than just watch them.

2) Go re-watch the series and pay attention to Jayne every time Reavers are mentioned. He's terrified of them, along with being highly superstitious by nature. The impression I got is that he's quite comfortable with acting differently when faced with Reavers. Yes, that's inconsistant behavior, but every one of us is built that way.

-Jeff

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Grounded ... thank you soooo much for an extremely long answer to all of Jusl89's points (i'm not being sarcastic). I disagreed sooo much with Jusl89's points, and i felt the need to write that long response you wrote. Thank you for saving me the time. I do, however, have some things to add to your post:

1. Totally agree with you on this one, Grounded. There is nothing artificial about the increase in tension. But if the only reason for Wash's death was to increase tension, i would have been very dissappointed with Joss. There was another reason for Wash's death however - Wash died because sometimes people die for no reason. It amplified the reality of the situation and was probably setting things in motion for the next movie. That doesn't mean i like it. On the contrary, i was crushed when i saw Wash speared. And I'd still like to see Wash come back in the next movie - not anything corny, mind you, but something good. I'm in favor of Wash coming back as a ghost (he never got to say good bye to Zoe and can't leave Serenity). If you've ever seen the way Joss does ghosts, you'll agree it won't be a stupid stunt. Here's the twist though - only River can see him (she's phsycic and can sense feelings and stuff - why couldn't she sense ghosts? Especially because we saw on Miranda that River could sense all of the dead people in her head).

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Originally posted by Jusl89:
I can't imagine Firefly without Wash. He was a great part of the heart and soul of the series, and without him, there is no Firefly. There was no reason for him to die, and even the way he died was ridiculous. Wash's death prevented me from enjoying the ending of the movie.

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I'd suggest watching the movie again, Jusl89. I was vastly shocked, disappointed, sad, and mad with the movie the first time I saw it, but the next time, I wasn't jolted out of it so much when Wash died and enjoyed the great ending of the movie.
If anyone would like more info and discussion on Wash's death, click on this link: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372

2. Totally agree with you there!!! Months have passed between the end of Firefly and the beginning of the film, and it would be pretty ridiculous to assume everyone went into stasis at the end of Firefly and all relationships are exactly as they were when the series ended.

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Of course Book died for a reason - the crew needed to experience that horror to push them on towards Miranda. Having said that, I think the manner of his death could have been vastly improved. The 'deliver vital message with last breath' thing is a bit tired.

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Exactly, and stop taking my words!!! The last thing Book said to Mal was to "do whatever River says to." Earlier on, he says that Mal has to believe. What he means by that is that the only way to beat the operative is to truly believe in what he is doing. Book's last words makes him do this. I don't think that the manner of his death was bad though.

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Serenity is a sci-fi action movie. Joss would never have been able to sell Objects In Space 2, as cool as that might have been. Action movies need action, and, though I do partially agree with the point about River's fights, I think all the other action sequences were both well paced and well executed, given budget constraints. I don't think I've ever tire of that space battle. Mal knew to freeze up because he knew that the nerve cluster was there. How did he know? Because, as he said, he'd had it removed following some war wound or other.

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Again, exactly what I was going to say!!! and i also agree with the point about river's fight at the end, but i was fine with her other fights (i mean, her brain was messed with so she could become a super assasin).

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Firstly, letting the Operative see how deeply unfounded his belief is is a far crueler punishment than killing him. Secondly, if Mal kills the Operative, who's going to call the troops off?

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Yup, exactly.

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