Angel Raped Buffy, Spike only tried

POSTED BY: FURYFIRE
UPDATED: Saturday, July 24, 2004 20:07
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FURYFIRE

Sunday, June 1, 2003 7:41 PM

Okay so, Buffy was only 17 years old, just turned actually, when she lost her virginity to an older man, well above the age of majority. Hence, technically Angel raped her.

Do yall think the producersb noticed this?

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CYRIDEL

Sunday, June 1, 2003 7:45 PM

Well, looking at it from a completely legal standpoint, technically yes since the age of consent is 18 in California. But since they were truly in love and she ended up sending him to hell, I don't anyone really thought much of it.

ROBERTSPARLING

Monday, June 2, 2003 12:02 AM

It's unrealistic to call Angel and Buffy having sex "rape". Two consenting parties having sex, that's what happened. Spike tried to force himself onto Buffy. Violently. I'm a proponent of statutory rape legislation, but only in certain circumstances. And it really doesn't apply to the show in any way, for the reasons stated, and not to forget that Angel probably doesn't legally exist. Not like he has a social security card or anything.

The age of consent has been lowered, at least in New York, to 17 if it makes you feel any better.

SLOWSMURF

Monday, June 2, 2003 12:11 AM

Others might call it rape, she nor he would though. Thats all that really matters.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 2, 2003 12:29 AM

The reason that it could be considered rape is because a person that young would not be considered capable of giving consent. Buffy was already making life and death decisions and showed a level of maturity demonstrating that she was able to give consent. Legally it is a case of necrophilia, which I hope is illegal, and Buffy is the offender, and if rape were to be considered once again Buffy would be at fault because a dead person can’t give consent.

ROBERTSPARLING

Monday, June 2, 2003 1:23 AM

good point.

and yes, necrophilia is illegal

SLOWSMURF

Monday, June 2, 2003 2:55 AM

What if the person gives consent before they die?(via a will or whatever)

I'm just curious what the courts would do with that...

FURYFIRE

Monday, June 2, 2003 3:27 AM

This is the dumbest and funniest thing i've ever heard. Can you give consent for someone to have sex with your own dead body? LOL

K, what a provocative issue, and especially the title of the original post. Whoa, man, whoa.

Technically, it is rape with age difference and Buffy being under the age of majority, needing Joyce's consent. Granted, Buffy was mature enough to make the right decision...or was she? Look what happened afterwards, he tried to kill her. No relationship like this can be justified in a legal system.

And yeah, I agree with you guys, but how do we debate these points?

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LOTV

Monday, June 2, 2003 3:42 AM

As much as I NEVER watch Buffy, and I'm only reading this thread on a whim... let us access our local online dictionary.

ahem...

rape ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rp)
n.
1.The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2.The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3.Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

According to such definitons, Angel did not rape Buffy as Buffy gave her consent to such an action, because it was not a forced action, as was previously mentioned in this thread.

As for other legal issues however, the waters begin to become murky. Due to child protection laws, Angel could be placed under arrest for corrupting youth (under aged sex) however, this is unlikely to go through due to the consent Buffy gave him, her age, and the fact that neither Angel or Buffy would be likely to turn themselves in.

As for the necrophelia issue... In vampire myth (truth?) Vampires are considered Undead. Yet, according to scientific defintion, something is alive if it meets the following criteria:

life ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lf)
n. pl. lives (lvz)

1. The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.

As Angel is capable of all such things, he under the law would be considered alive, and thus Buffy could not perform necrophilia on him...

Thank you, and this has been your lawyer report of the day.

LOTV: Ima-who-whata-whoichy-whoda-whazza--huh?

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Monday, June 2, 2003 4:04 AM

Yes, both the statutory rape and necrophilia technicalities occured to me long ago. But keep in mind what the word "statutory" means. Only occording to some statute is it a rape. Besides, while 18 trips around the sun is the span of time society has decided that a person needs to be mature enough to consent to sex, 16 is the age when when it stops be a real crime in many states. Also, keep in mind that this 18 rule is a very recent development in western culture. It was not too long ago--within Angel's life time--when a unmarried woman of 18 years was considered an old maid.

Furthermore, both of the above mentioned crimes pale in comparision to others perpetrated by various members of the Scooby gang; Faith was the only one that got nabbed by the laws for it.

Over the course of both shows, the "Good Guys" have committed the following crimes, many on several occasions:

- Breaking and Entering
- Cracking (hacking) private, government computer databases.
- Assault
- Battery
- Assault with a deadly weapon
- Blackmail
- Shoplifting
- Obstructing Justice
- Stealing a meter-maid's cart
- Aiding and Abetting an known felon
- Attempted Murder
- Murder
- Impersonating a police officer
- Impersonating an Interpol officer
- Stealing government weapons (don't know the techincal name, but know it's a crime)
- Kidnapping
- Fraud
- Burglary
- Arson

And I know there's a bunch of stuff I'm forgetting. I'd also like to add that Xander attempted to rape Buffy long before Spike jumped on the bandwagon. (he was possesed by a Heyena)

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GILES: This computer invasion that Willow is performing on the cororner's office. One assumes that it is entirely legal?
BUFFY: Of course.
WILLOW: Entirely..
GILES: Right. Wasn't here. Didn't see it. Couldn't have stopped you.

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