BDM Double Meanings

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GREENFAERIE

Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:24 PM

I only got this on my second viewing... and REALLY got it on my third. When the crew is on Miranda, after River freaks out and Jayne says (like) "All these people died for no reason!"

As his words finish, the camera is on Wash for a full beat: silence.

A beat later, a close-up on Wash as he delivers the next line. But that first beat on Wash, "... died for no reason!" Wow. That's cinematic foreshadowing at its best. (Of course there was a reason plot-wise, but to them, and most of us, it was a senseless death).

UNICORN

Monday, October 17, 2005 1:58 PM

I didn't post this earlier, but "Miranda" is also kind of Joss playing with us. Miranda was two things on earth that was: it was Shakespeaere's character who says, "O brave new world/That has such people in't" (The Alliance were trying, after all, to create a brave new world; such people indeed!) and Miranda was also the name for the series of rights you are read when you're put under arrest, which begin with "You have the right to remain silent." Just like all them folk on Miranda, wouldn't you say?

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GREENFAERIE

Monday, October 17, 2005 4:01 PM

Miranda was also the name of the Forbidden Planet (from the same movie).

SONG

Monday, October 17, 2005 4:30 PM

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Originally posted by GreenFaerie:
I only got this on my second viewing... and REALLY got it on my third. When the crew is on Miranda, after River freaks out and Jayne says (like) "All these people died for no reason!"

As his words finish, the camera is on Wash for a full beat: silence.

A beat later, a close-up on Wash as he delivers the next line. But that first beat on Wash, "... died for no reason!" Wow. That's cinematic foreshadowing at its best. (Of course there was a reason plot-wise, but to them, and most of us, it was a senseless death).

This post sent serious chills through me. Well spotted! I'm not sure I ever would have picked that up on my own.

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"No, mei-mei. It's time to wake up."

IAMALEAFONTHEWIND

Monday, October 17, 2005 5:07 PM

I just gotta say here that this is the most awesome thread I have read around here. I friggin' love this stuff and am soooo impressed with Joss's writing that it allows us to ponder these things, whether they are right or wrong. Fantastic!

The only thing I think I could really add at this point is that when Mal says that "they won't see this coming", I more or less gathered that he was referring to the video recording that they had just obtained. Mal intents to make sure that it gets out into the public's hands, and there's no way the Allience could see it coming 'cause they don't even know it exitsts. And that ties in with all the stuff about Book's death giving him a purpose as well. From the moment he gets that recording he know's exactly what he has to do. And it ties into the whole "can't stop the signal" thing too.

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KIORIA

Monday, October 17, 2005 5:32 PM

spoilers, of course

I agree with most of the stuff said here, but I've not seen many people draw the same parallels I started seeing on my second viewing of the movie. UNICORN got some of it with saying the whole movie was telling the network to go shove it.

I see the entire movie as a kind of parallel to what happened with the series. Off to a rocky start, almost didn't make it off the ground - apathy causing a horrible loss - a few dedicated soldiers (us browncoats) trying their darnedest to get the word out to everyone... Wash was brave, Wash was heroic, Wash was funny and excellent at what he did - but BOOM he's gone. That's the death of the show itself. The fight following that being our insane struggle to get the thing we loved back in whatever way possible, and finally we DID get the signal out...but people have to be watching to notice.

We patched ourselves up and kept flying. And it was love, as per Mal's speech at the end, that kept the whole concept in the air when it should've fallen down. I believe (as someone else did say) that's Joss's speech and "thank you kindly" to us for our support. What do you guys think?

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Monday, October 17, 2005 5:43 PM

Okay, first thing in response to Unicorn's posts about Miranda: those are interesting theories, although Miranda could be something mythological too. Most of the planet names in the 'verse have mythological backgrounds: Persephone being a Greek goddess, Bellerophon is also from Greek mythology and I'm sure there's more examples, I just can't think of them.

Then, about the movie itself: I think that this movie is so deep, you could watch it ten times and still not get everything, which is part of what makes this movie so great. I agree with most of the double meanings I've seen posted here, except for No. 2 "You won't see this coming." Although it could be true, because certainly none of us saw Wash's death coming, I don't think Joss would be that mean. I think that it was just about the Reavers and that's that.

I also find the time-traveling theory very interesting. It could fit. I certainly think that Book was an operative at some point. It definitely gives me something to think on!

We're pretty much just giving each other significant glances and laughing incessantly.

ASARIAN

Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:42 AM

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Originally posted by fireflyfan70:

I agree with the first and 3rd idaes but not the second. When Mal said they won't see this coming I think he was referring to the Reaver fleet.

Yes, absolutely.

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I do have another double meaning that I think has been overlooked tho. Early in the movie when they are getting ready for the heist at the trading station, Mal asks River if she understands her part in this. She relpys to him "Do you?"

To me that statement had more than one meaning. River asking Mal if he understood his part in what to come( the rest of the story) and also her role in the big picture, not just the heist.

Good one, too. I think you're right.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

ASARIAN

Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:03 AM

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Originally posted by iamaleafonthewind:

The only thing I think I could really add at this point is that when Mal says that "they won't see this coming", I more or less gathered that he was referring to the video recording that they had just obtained. Mal intents to make sure that it gets out into the public's hands, and there's no way the Allience could see it coming 'cause they don't even know it exitsts. And that ties in with all the stuff about Book's death giving him a purpose as well. From the moment he gets that recording he know's exactly what he has to do. And it ties into the whole "can't stop the signal" thing too.

This is the part I would have to disagree. :)

Mail is explaning about Mr. Universe, and how he can put the signal on every screen for worlds. But then Zoe says: "It's a fair bet the Alliance knows about Mr. Universe. They're gonna see this coming." And, of course, they DID see it coming; cuz the Alliance and the Operative were lying in wait for Mal and his crew at Mr. Universe's little asteroid (or whatever that is). Moreover, the Operative, at that time, had already infiltrated the place and killed Mr. Universe.

What they did NOT see coming, of course, was Mal's downright brilliant plan to use "our one bitty cannon" (Jayne) against a Reaver ship, to then get the heck out there, and have the whole gorram Reaver fleet on their tail to battle the Alliance.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

SAVEWASH

Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:10 AM

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Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Very appropriate and in adding "Watch me soar" gave his death a very liberating almost upbeat note despite that my stomach is still in knots two days after seeing it and the scene made me so emotional I was unable to go to the second showing i'd intended. I'm still looking for my "Wash's death support group" made up of browncoats who liked the movie, everyone who seems to be affected by it as much as myself has turned against the rest of the film because of it.
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Sign me up! I think I actually yelled, "NO!" and looked around the theatre to see who was with me. (Note my alias above.) Then I went home and got very morose, so much so that I couldn't recommend the movie to anyone for several days until I calmed down. I'm still not over it, but at least I can recommend the movie because the rest of it rocks! If I ever meet Joss, the first word out of my mouth will be, "Why????" (I've heard his explanation and it makes sense, but it doesn't make me feel any better.)

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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