BDM Double Meanings

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LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 10, 2005 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by DucesTecum:
I flat-out hijacked, stole, copy-pasted this from the Firefly Prospero site because I haven't seen anything like it here and want to know what my FFF.net buddies think. I hope I haven't done anything which will "get me in trouble"!

My apologies to Rameking Shaped Flan for stealing any thunder.

3. The obvious one. After everyone is getting back to normal on Serenity, Mal asks Zoe about Serenity, but he only calls the boat "her" instead of referring to it by name. Zoe answers, "She's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true."

This is a no brainer that they're talking about Zoe. I still want more from Zoe than an acknowledgement that "she's tore up plenty," but at least she's admitting that much.

1. Maybe, maybe, but I agree with Ksyrjama, and think that's Book telling Mal that he's come out the other side of the terrible things he's seen and done and -Book- doesn't need to talk about it anymore, even if Mal thinks Book's 'gotta tell' him. For sure it speaks to the themes of belief and redemption threaded throughout the movie.

2. I don't think Joss is cruel or smart-aleckey to the fans in that way.

3. After Zoe says "she's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true" Mal says something like 'it's going to be rough' and Zoe replies something to the effect that 'it always is'. I think that's all we get from Zoe. She'd go cry in her bunk where nobody would see it.
I looked everywhere for the post I read (think it was an interview, but danged if I can find it). Joss, Nathan and Gina are discussing this scene before filming it, and Gina confirms with Joss that the reference is to her emotional stability.

Knibblet: I see stuff at the bottom of cereal boxes too, and when I pour the milk onto the cereal, it floats around and writes messages for me like a ouiji board. I feel for you that DucesTecum couldn't hear your humor, I did. I like it that this site is pretty calm and polite without much offense either intended or taken. I've noticed from plenty of job related email misses that it's pretty easy to misunderstand something written.

Derangedmilk: I wasn't too sure I could handle a second viewing, but my second viewing brought healing, better understanding, and lots more laughs.

And what about that bizzaro Fruity Oaty Bars commercial? It was pretty wierd all the way through (kind of a Zombie Power Puff Girls look) but the bit where the octopus comes out of the girl's tummy with the words "Not Mandatory" written on the screen behind her...eeek, eeeek, seriously creepy. Somebody want to break that one apart to the gooey center for us? There had to be some nightmare entendre in there.

"It's grotesque! And oh look, something in a jar." -Wash

ENGINEANGEL

Monday, October 10, 2005 1:58 PM

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written by Liminalosity:
And what about that bizzaro Fruity Oaty Bars commercial? It was pretty wierd all the way through (kind of a Zombie Power Puff Girls look) but the bit where the octopus comes out of the girl's tummy with the words "Not Mandatory" written on the screen behind her...eeek, eeeek, seriously creepy. Somebody want to break that one apart to the gooey center for us? There had to be some nightmare entendre in there.

I don't know what that was about but i'm pretty sure that it had to do with something other than just the subliminal code/message embeded in it. Just a few fatcs to help someone to figure it out:
- the octapus came out from the women's bust.
- all of the characters looked like they were having seizures (they're eyes and pupils were all getting bigger, then smaller, then bigger, then smaller, ect.)
- the "Not Mandatory" thing mentioned above.
- at some point in the song, when the octapus's eyes went seizure-ish, the song mentions, "they will blow your mind."
-does anyone have the full lyrics to the fruity oaty bar song? that might help decipher this.

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Written by JaynezTown:
Zoe ( Bank Job ) -
do you know what a hero is, its somebody that gets others killed
But she may have also been remembering Mal leading the Battle of Serenity.

Maybe this one has a triple meaning!!!! LOL. But seriously though, she, in the movie, might have been making the guy put down his weapon so that no one would get killed, refering to Mal and the Battle of Serenity (thinking about it herself, because it sure would fit in!!!), and forshadowing how Mal's actions get Book and Wash killed. (our boy must be a hero)

Also, this probably doesn't have anything to do with the movie but that man in Jaynestown that jumped in front of Jayne when he was going to get shot died because everyone thought Jayne was a hero. Just a thought.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

THELURKER

Monday, October 10, 2005 3:30 PM

I'm surprised no one has included this one in this thread:

On Miranda, when River heaves in the corner and Simon goes to her. She says "I'm all right" to Simon, then pauses, gets sort of an almost surprised look on her face and repeats "I'm all right." On the surface, it looks like she's talking about being finished getting sick, but I read into it that for the first time since we've "known" her, River feels a true sense of clarity of mind.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

BLACKEYEDGIRL

Monday, October 10, 2005 3:38 PM

I think someone's searching a little too deep on these.

I did love River's "I swallowed a bug" line cos I had flashes to Objects in Space when she was being Serenity, cos Serenity had just effectively pulled a 'barn swallow' and swallowed a bug herself.

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ENGINEANGEL

Monday, October 10, 2005 4:20 PM

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TheLurker wrote:
I'm surprised no one has included this one in this thread:
On Miranda, when River heaves in the corner and Simon goes to her. She says "I'm all right" to Simon, then pauses, gets sort of an almost surprised look on her face and repeats "I'm all right." On the surface, it looks like she's talking about being finished getting sick, but I read into it that for the first time since we've "known" her, River feels a true sense of clarity of mind.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

No, TheLurker. You are not wrong. i saw that, too. But i don't think it has a double meaning. The first time she says"i'm all right" to Simon, she's refering to the throwing up. The second time she says it, she's refering to her mental state. She's not crazy anymore. Still phsycic but she can now control her own actions. (yeah!!!) They're two lines that means two different things.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 10, 2005 5:09 PM

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Originally posted by engineangel:
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TheLurker wrote:
I'm surprised no one has included this one in this thread:
On Miranda, when River heaves in the corner and Simon goes to her. She says "I'm all right" to Simon, then pauses, gets sort of an almost surprised look on her face and repeats "I'm all right." On the surface, it looks like she's talking about being finished getting sick, but I read into it that for the first time since we've "known" her, River feels a true sense of clarity of mind.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

No, TheLurker. You are not wrong. i saw that, too. But i don't think it has a double meaning. The first time she says"i'm all right" to Simon, she's refering to the throwing up. The second time she says it, she's refering to her mental state. She's not crazy anymore. Still phsycic but she can now control her own actions. (yeah!!!) They're two lines that means two different things.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

Yeah, I saw this one too. With Joss I don't think it's possible to be looking too deep. We can be wrong, sure, but he's usually way below the surface. With scuba gear. And a flashlight.

"They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see sky and they remember what they are." -River

ENGINEANGEL

Monday, October 10, 2005 5:20 PM

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written by Liminalosity:
With Joss I don't think it's possible to be looking too deep. We can be wrong, sure, but he's usually way below the surface. With scuba gear. And a flashlight.

LOL x 3. SOOOOOO TRUE. happens in everything he does.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by engineangel:
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written by Liminalosity:
With Joss I don't think it's possible to be looking too deep. We can be wrong, sure, but he's usually way below the surface. With scuba gear. And a flashlight.

LOL x 3. SOOOOOO TRUE. happens in everything he does.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

One of these days when things cool down a bit I'm going to start a post asking the love-it-all fans if anyone can mesh "Shiny" for me between the 3 shows. Where it started, on which episodes it appeared in all 3 shows in the same week. You know, serious raving mad fan stuff. Wait a minute, would it have been raving mad to notice that Monet painted haystacks in all kinds of light? I don't -think- so!

"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." -River

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:41 PM

Can't believe no one's mentioned Mal's speech to River at the very end..."Love keeps her in the air when she should fall down; tells you when she's sick 'fore she keels", etc (prolly missing some stuff, but sue me--only seen it 4 times, and that's not enough to memorize significant chunks of dialogue). Anyway, 2nd time in the theater, I got to thinking that what Mal's talking about could just as well be Joss talking about the Firefly/Serenity 'verse. Like Mal, he's had things taken from him, but he kept fighting and eventually pulled out a bit of a win (the ship Serenity in Mal's case, the movie Serenity in Joss' case). It seems to obvious that this is Joss talking about his love of the 'verse. To me.

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LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 10, 2005 8:49 PM

Uh huh inevbetrayal, I think that one's in there too. Plus I think that Mal's had a big fat epiphany in the plotline, and Mal/Joss is saying that you have to let your heart be that big and that wide open
(that you can love the ship as much as any of the rest of your peeps) in order to be like a leaf in the wind (ok, Wash said it, but it's thematic), and that he and River have both come through to the other side(s) of their personal hells and are finally capable of loving that much. Yup, and then River says something about the storm's getting worse (meaning the Alliance might blow them out of the sky, or whatever) and he says, sumpin' sumpin' yeah, but were almost through it, meaning they're almost healed and have the heart to get through anything life can throw at them. I'm just sayin', this shit is deep as the ocean.

What would you call a thing like Pandora's box, except that when you open it instead of suffering and pain, all these great levels of story come flying out. And he's almost never obvoius or cheesy about it either. Mis-ter Fabulous! Wonder if people will be translating Joss stories into Chinglaise in 500 years. Whaddya think?

Grrrr. Arrrgh

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