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Season 6 WAS good, no really...

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UPDATED: Monday, July 8, 2002 21:34
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Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:09 AM

S6 is triumphant. The outblast of fans is due to the fact that it didnt focus on Buffy as muh as other seasons did, such as S5 which was basically entirely the Summers family. This year, and especially this finale let the other characters shine, and i have to say that Anya seems far more developed even from an ep like Older and Far Away, watch her in that one. Spectacular. Xander rose to the top, finally doing something worthwhile, and BEING THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD. And since he was the only one who could, it is even sweeter. Dawn is getting more fighty, yeah Tara's gone, but maybe that'll give Willow some more different stories, ans yeah Buffy felt the pain of leaving heaven for this cruel world, but she knows she can live again...unless she dies at the end of S7, which i think is unlikely now sine the writers did all this work bringing her back, how will they end it(if it ends with S7).

Jossy's original idea to end Buffy was the Hellmouth sucking in the whole world, but that would end Angel which Joss wants at least 6 seasons out of he said. Or maybe Greenwalt said that, but his future is up in the air now b/c of Miracles, anyway... S6 was spectatcular in developing out beloved characters, lets just anticiapte next year.


Nuf' said.

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Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:47 PM

Well, I mostly didn't like S6. To be precise, I didn't like most of the story between Amy's return (which is when the season should have really taken off) and the appearance of Dark Willow.

Which kind of throws a spoke in the standard theory that the season was "too dark". Sure it was dark, but was it any darker than when Buffy went to fight The Master knowing she was going to die? Or when she had to abandon everything she loved in order to save the world from Angel?

I really looked forward to seeing Dark Willow, and she was as good as I expected. But I didn't enjoy her brief career all that much. I was just too disappointed with the lame way they built up to it. When Willow says to Giles, "Maybe it's not such a good idea for you to piss me off." there's a promise of long dark journey to Dark Willow.

Which promise is broken. Instead we get lame recycled soap opera. Addiction. Who's dreaming about whom? Fear of Commitment. Will I turn out like my parents? Will They Get Back Together? And finally, Tara's ridiculous death.

OK, I accept that they had to kill off poor Tara. But I'm sorry, that was a stupid way to do it. There's no room for guns in the Buffyverse. If bullets trump magic, why isn't everybody armed like an Arnold Swarzenagger character?

That's what it all comes down to, a failure of imagination. Which is a strange thing to say about the most imaginative show on TV. (Ever? Yeah, I guess so.) Maybe they realized they were caught in there own "raising the bar" trap, and just decided not to try to top themselves. So, yeah, we'll do a completely original Big Bad (have to do that), but we won't focus on her, avoid comparisons with Glory and Mayor Wilkins and Evil Angel.

Presumably it was some choice like that. I hate to think they let the season spin out of control just because they had too much going on.

Oh well, never mind. It's all done with now. When does Firefly start? I WANT TO SEE FIREFLY ALREADY

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:09 AM

Between eps 12-19 i thought were good, being trapped in the house was a nice ep same with Riley's return, but they seemed more focused on one thing. The wedding, mental institution, and the aftermath was spectacular. I wish UPN would have held the whole buffy could just be mental ep until after the 6week hiatus. Buffy framed for murder was absolutely essential, and those seven eps i mentioned right there, it really furthered the stories. My fav ep this season would be the wedding, well done.

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:27 AM

So basically, you liked all the episodes I hated. Well, Riley's return was OK. So was the trapped one. But "OK" is the best I can do.

I really liked "Normal Again" -- until that stupid, stupid, STUPID ending. It wasn't even an ending, it was a stupid extra scene they tacked on trying to be cute.

Hell's Bells. What a disappointment. Yeah, it was nicely staged and had some good dialogue. And I'm not going to quibble with the ending, which served some higher purpose -- I hope. But couldn't they have found a way to break up Xander and Anya that didn't totally ignore the way the two characters had developed?


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Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
So basically, you liked all the episodes I hated. Well, Riley's return was OK. So was the trapped one. But "OK" is the best I can do.

I really liked "Normal Again" -- until that stupid, stupid, STUPID ending. It wasn't even an ending, it was a stupid extra scene they tacked on trying to be cute.

Hell's Bells. What a disappointment. Yeah, it was nicely staged and had some good dialogue. And I'm not going to quibble with the ending, which served some higher purpose -- I hope. But couldn't they have found a way to break up Xander and Anya that didn't totally ignore the way the two characters had developed?





Agreed. Although, when you say the Riley return ep was ok, I'll go out and say it was horrid. Another attrocity was Dead Things (ok plot; horrible, horrible execution with *amazingly* lame dialogue.)

I liked Older and Far Away (the house one), though it was poorly paced and executed as though it were a series of non-connected scenes. There was a lot of great dialogue, though.

I agree with your estimation of Normal Again. It was a great episode (except for some corny dialogue at the beginning... and isn't the whole thing with Tara that she had no other friends? But I digress) until that ending. I was thinking about it for days... and it nearly ruined my enjoyment of the entire series.

To tell you the truth, I enjoyed everything up to Smashed... and then there was Wrecked (yuck!) and from Wrecked until Normal Again, the story was very bad (except for Gone and Doublemeat Palace). Basically, if the season had condensed Dead Things, Older and Far Away, As You Were, Hell's Bells into one big package written by Joss, the season would have been great. (Ironically, this was around the same time Joss was off filming Firefly and couldn't be on set... and where I believe the season got out of control, only to be redeemed by the last 5 episodes).

Now that I think about it... there were only five episodes that didn't fit very well into the season.

My feeling about the season: It was my favorite to date, containing some of the singularly best episodes of the entire series (After Life, Life Serial, Once More With Feeling, Smashed, Seeing Red, Two to Go, and Grave). Even though the story started to get out of control around episode 13 and produced some of the singularly worst episodes of the entire series (Wrecked, Dead Things, and As You Were), the utter goodness of the earlier and later episodes more than make up for the badness of the mid-season. Buffy gained a sense of visual maturity and experimental spirit in season six that I believe will make season 7 better than anything preceeding it. Some of the writers' experiments failed miserably, but even more succeeded and will add a new spirit to the rest of the series. Season 6 was a necessary evil (I, as expressed above, loved most of it) that served as a sort of transitional piece, much like season 4 (though, season 4, in my eyes, was an absolute failure save for 5 episodes), and will lead into some of the best the elements (visually and storytelling-wise) the series has to offer.



--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:51 AM

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I liked Older and Far Away (the house one), though it was poorly paced and executed as though it were a series of non-connected scenes. There was a lot of great dialogue, though.

I thought OaFA was the absolute worst episode of the season. Words cannot express...

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I agree with your estimation of Normal Again. It was a great episode until that ending. I was thinking about it for days... and it nearly ruined my enjoyment of the entire series.

I loved the ending of NA. Don't be a literalist.

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Basically, if the season had condensed Dead Things, Older and Far Away, As You Were, Hell's Bells into one big package written by Joss, the season would have been great. (Ironically, this was around the same time Joss was off filming Firefly and couldn't be on set...

Actually, I believe he was filming FIREFLY in Feb/March during the evil (re: loquacious) Willow arc. OTOH, he would be busy with pre-production during that time.

ADDING: I think the midseason slump can be attributed to Buffy's endless rut. She had an epiphany of sorts at the end of every ep (Gone, DT, OaFA, AYW), and each time we expected a lighter mood, but instead she just sinks lower. The emotional arcs of all the characters (Dawn especially) just weren't meaty enough for a 22-ep season. Everyone's spinning their wheels until the end.

--- Joe

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:58 AM

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Actually, I believe he was filming FIREFLY in Feb/March during the evil (re: loquacious) Willow arc. OTOH, he would be busy with pre-production during that time.



Well... then... *Dylan's Head Explodes*

I guess I was wrong But yeah... pre-production and what not... (so I wasn't *totally* wrong, right? RIGHT!?!)

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:25 PM

Oh, please. Season 6 sucked rocks. Sluggish pacing, dull acting, and some of the worst writing I've seen this side of Dawson's Creek. Dammit, Marti Noxon! Didja think we would just sit back and accept the drug-addiction-metaphor tripe you fed us? The ONLY good parts of S6 were the ep where Tara died and, of course, "Once More, With Feeling".

Joss, please come back. PLEASE.

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:06 PM

Funny you'd bring up Dawson's Creek. Didnt the writer of Normal Again write an ep of Dawson's Creek this season?

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Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:58 PM

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Originally posted by mojoeca:

I loved the ending of NA. Don't be a literalist.


Jeesh, what's that supposed to mean? We shouldn't care because it's all just a story anyway?

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