Anyone else disappointed?
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Do you have a link to the script?
Sadly, no. I don't know of any electronic versions. I'm using the Serenity Visual Companion as my reference. (And the script in there isn't a word-for-word of the movie; it's the shooting script, so there are things that didn't make the movie.)
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Originally posted by Sep7imus:Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
@Sep7IMus:
Mal has run away when the odds are not in his favour before. But from the dialogue, etc from the movie, I got the feel that it was running for reasons of a coward and not for reasons like before.
Just like any reference from the show, you must provide proper context is there. And from what I've seen, your examples don't hold up to that.
Why not, exactly? I don't think I see the distinction you're making. I figured we all knew the context. How does it change the fact that he ran (with, I think, good reason)?
Feelings, things people said, how he interacted with the crew, etc.
Basically, what I got from the series was if it was an, interesting (oh god oh god we're going to die) moment then he'd be fine running, and do so in a heart beat. Otherwise, it'd be a profit, etc issue.
But in the movie, he didn't seem to have much of a spine when it came to protecting his own until all his "safe houses" were burned to the ground.
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In "Heart of Gold" his first idea is for them all to run.
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Here he wanted to run because it was the easiest solution. That guy wouldn't have stopped until he as in a box and they weren't equiped for a near the battle he was expecting. Running was the smart move.
But, when they weren't moving, they stayed.
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In "Shindig" he says "I never back down from a fight" to which Innara replies, "You do it all the time!"
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See above. Plus he's in love with Inara.
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And, overall, his basic mode is evade the Alliance, keep moving, run from place to place.
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In "Out of Gas", he refered to not wanting to be under the heel of anyone again. No matter how far the Alliance's arm reaches, they could go just a bit further.
Also, being a smuggler, and having a ship with no armorments, it's rather your only option to run (unless you want to get boarded).
Beyond that, until I see the movie again, I can't get anymore specific. Either that or the nausea goes away (too much stress lately).
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Mal, I think is more along the lines of fighing for profit and if it is for good as well, the super. But, if push comes to shove, then he'll do it for the right thing. Friends are different though. He'll fight for a friend to the death if need be.
Okay, I agree with that characterization of Mal. How are his actions in the movie any different? I don't remember him running when there was a profit to be made, when fighting would be for the right thing, or when fighting would be for friends/crew. Does he run in any of those instances in the movie? If so, that would seem out of character to me.
People say Mal was darker. I find this silly. Mal wasn't darker, he was angrier. Angrier does not equal darker; just angrier.
Mal was out of character when he let Simon hit him (or didn't hit him back).
It was alot of "little" things like that (plus a few big ones) throughout the movie that told of an entirely different character than the one that I've known and loved all this time.
See above posts for more.
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Jayne, does it for profit clear and simple. It has always been his guiding light. There are times in the show when he did things not for profit, but there has been other circumstances that provide adequate motivation for this to happen.
ie When Jayne goes to save Mal from Niska. First off, this is right after he almost got sucked out into space because of screwing Mal and knows that he exists at that point by the grace of Mal and no other. Plus I think that he will attempt to avoid such non-profit endeavors (remember him calling what they were doing "suicide" while Zoe and Wash were preparing?) but will go along if it will make him look bad. He seems to care about what the others think of him to some degree.
Yeah, I agree with this, too. Though, I might be a little more sympathetiNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Do you have a link to the script?
Sadly, no. I don't know of any electronic versions. I'm using the Serenity Visual Companion as my reference. (And the script in there isn't a word-for-word of the movie; it's the shooting script, so there are things that didn't make the movie.)
Damn. Oh well, there's always Yule
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
People say Mal was darker. I find this silly. Mal wasn't darker, he was angrier. Angrier does not equal darker; just angrier.
Mal was out of character when he let Simon hit him (or didn't hit him back).
I disagree. Firstly, Mal didn't let Simon hit him. Simon sucker punched him.
Mal then threatens to shoot Simon (in Chinese: "You wanna bullet? You wanna a bullet right in your throat?")
Simon insults him ("You stupid, selfish, son of a whore-").
Mal threatens to shoot Simon again (in English this time: "I'm a hair's breadth from riddling you with holes, Doctor--"). I think the subtext here is: "I'm serious about shooting you, and I'm not gonna trade insults with you. I will kill you if you keep it up."
Simon drops the insult and starts in on what this is all about ("One simple job!")
There is no reason in any of that for Mal to ever throw a punch. It's a waste of time at the end of a bad day. Mal makes clear what he'll tolerate and what the consequences are for Simon. So they settle it with words.
Also, put yourself in Mal's position. You've just killed a man to save him from a horrible death, you've been chased and shot at by Reavers, crashed landed into your own ship at a high rate of speed (crashing into a pile of containers), narrowly avoided being hit by the flaming wreckage of a Reaver ship, and then shot a Reaver who was jumping you. Do you really want to get into a physical fight that serves no purpose?
I wouldn't. Sure, it might feel satisfying, but it'll just drag out what has already been way too long a day. Mal uses the force necessary (verbal threats) to make Simon realize what could come of this. (Mal jumped right to threatening to shoot Simon -- that says to me "I got no patience for a brawl right now. I'll just kill you." Simon gets to his point pretty quick after that.)
That makes sense to me given the character and the situation.
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@Teraph:
You would have a point if this was after the job and if it was after some time had past so that everyone had cooled down.
As it is, everyone is still geared up and in a massive fightn' adrenaline mood.
1) Series Simon would've never hit Mal (or sucker punched) as he would know what series Mal would've done. Series Simon is a pacifist.
Remember just after he found out about Jayne betraying him and River in Ariel? Series Simon could've gotten him back in some way, but chose another route.
2) Series Mal would've hit him.
In fact, in the series when Simon first came on board and just mentioned that Mal would be good working with the Alliance, Mal hit Simon.
This is a worse infraction in some regards. Mal had just almost died and would've done more than just talk. Remember when the fed mole was on Serenity ep Serenity? Mal just killed him not even a blink. Series Mal would definitly have hit him.
And no, Simon didn't get the point pretty quick. It took acouple tries for Mal to get through to him.
Mal had definitly lost his backbone in more than one way in this movie.
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I went to watch a movie that was based on a TV series that I fell in love with from the very beginning. I was not disappointed at all.
The arguements about the characters being different, I think some are valid, some not so much so. People acting out of character, well, I didn't see it.
What I did see was the crew of the Serenity placed in a situation that was much larger than they had found themselves in the series. That changes people, I don't care if they're tough like Jayne, wimpy like Simon, or casual cool like Mal.
How far did people expect Mal to get pushed before he said enough?
I don't know. I go to the movies to watch and enjoy the show, not place it under the microscope.
Serenity is far and away my favorite movie. It is far and away better than the Star Wars franchise or anything Rodennberry ever put out. It was a finer TV show than any I had ever seen before.
I'm gonna wear my Browncoat proudly and tip my hat to Joss for sharing his baby with me. Maybe some of you are wearing purple under yours. Us Browncoats don't leave none behind, and that includes Joss and Serenity.
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I have to post again on this thread because for some reason I'm still awake. I think it's a side effect of the anti-biotics.
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From the point of view of someone who gets a happy everytime river goes crazy and starts hacking people up, this movie was a 10
:) *eg*
I'm going to kill them all. That oughtta distract 'em
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"simon was a wuss"
did you ever watch this show?
sure, some of the writers had that picture.
But joss has him leaving people to die if they don't help him. and he does a serious mind f*&^ on Jayne.
clearly Joss doesn't see simon's wussiness.
He isn't grunge and brawl, but neither is inara. it's a class thing. he's not a pansy.
I'm going to kill them all. That oughtta distract 'em
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"It was important that people understand that the movie isn't the series. The movie is bigger, more epic than anything you can do in a series." - Joss Whedon
Just figured I toss that up there too.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
He backed down from Simon. I'll say that again. HE BACKED DOWN FROM SIMON.
How much more do you need it spelled out for you?
I'm sorry.. perhaps I didn't see this in the three times I've seen the movie?
When exactly did Mal back down from Simon?
"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
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