Anyone else disappointed?
POSTED BY: sagrilarus
UPDATED: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05
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He ran twice, once from the Reavers at the beginning, and then from the Operative. What was he supposed to do? Try to save the town from the Reavers? Take on the entire Alliance by himself?
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Actually, there were numerous comments in the movie that stated that he was running constantly.
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Maybe it was because Mal knew that Simon was justified in punching him, not to mention the fact that River was there.
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Simon was most certainly not justified in punching Mal. They had a job and in which something unpredictable happened and they made it out.
Today while watching disk 3, I remember hearing Mal state that just once he would like for a plan to go smoothly. Hear that, just once.
So, River was in danger, ooooo, big surprise. They were basically doing a bank robbery. Tell me if I'm wrong, but that typically involves some sort of danger, right?
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There is a difference but not a huge one. The movie takes place months after the show, it is possible that some incidents took place during that time strained their relationship and since Mal has become grimmer during the months, he may have simply become unresponsive to Zoes passive questioning of his actions.
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And what are you basing this on? This is plain conjecture and you are now grasping at straws to hold onto this unsupported claim.
Also, Mal hasn't become grimmer, he has become a pissy coward. The character is a mere 1 dimensional shadow of its original glory. Shame on Joss.
And you're going to have to explain how it isn't a huge difference, because it is. It shows a distinct, significant shift in personality.
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The people at Haven were his friends, or at least Book was, and he does care about his friends. He did look quite concerned when Kaylee was shot in the shows pilot. Somehow I doubt that he was friends with the guy he dumped out of the plane 4 years ago.
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Again with the "Somehow I doubt that". Can we say conjecture.
Concern and willing to volenteer to die for something are two very different things.
And they were partners for, what was it, 6 months. How long was he on Serenity up to that point? Oh yah, we don't know. So, it is rather silly to start to say what Jayne is willing to do or not.
More like, he will do something if it'll look bad on him if he doesn't.
Remember when Wash and Mal got kidnapped by Niska? Jayne was dead set against it. But, since everyone else was going to do it, he went along with it. This (and other decisions he's made) is consistent with him wanting people to think that he wasn't a complete prick. Also, this was directly after Ariel, so he might have thought it pay back of sorts. ie Mal spared his life, so Jayne will help save his.
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Assuming that another incident didnt take place during the months between the show and the movie.
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And what proof do you have that something did happen?
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That was months before the movie, it is possible for a person to change, plus that was before Ariel.
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And consistent with Ariel. The money was good enough, it was an interesting day. Just like that man said.
Also, what in Jaynes personality suggests to you that capability to change that much in only a year or so. Because that is the time frame we're talking about. No-one changes that fast.
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Give an example of Jaynes stupid dialogue in the movie.
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Give me an example of Jaynes typical dialogue in the movie. ie Neither of us have memorized the dialogue of the move (I know I've seen it only once) so why go in this direction. It is rediculous to bring this up. Nice try though.
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Not knowing how to fight is not the same as being a bumbling fool. He kept it cool on Ariel and didnt make any mistakes; he even saved a mans life without screwing up the mission.
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But we aren't talking a
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SigmaNunki, you’re not getting my point, we have to make assumption. We only had 14 episodes, 10 hours out of a year of their lives (thanks for making my point more valid) and the movie takes place months after the show. The things that happened during the show were not everything that happened in their lives during that time and it doesn't show every facet of the characters' personalities. It is not unreasonable to assume that Inara learned a few dirty tricks from Mal, or even Jayne or Book. It’s true that she didn’t spend that time with those people during the show but multiply that by a couple hundred and you’ll get a rough estimate of how much she spent with them during the time she was on the ship. Plus Inara didn’t have to actually ask Mal for a lesson in dirty fighting, she could have learned then when she saw Mal use them or heard him teach someone else about them. I also don’t think that it’s unreasonable to assume that River caused a lot of trouble during the months between the show and movie and that the crew had a lot of resentment against River, resentment that they either repressed or channeled into other things but not towards River because they know it’s not her fault, it’s the same way that some parents repress or channel hidden resentment against their children towards each other.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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A fellow contributor raised the issue of Joss being naive in his political notions. I was merely addressing this with depth and intelligence.
I find it reveals a sad truth about you my fellow FIREFLY fan if you think that speaking openly with depth and accuracy about historical and contempary events is to you "anti-American" a phrase that in itself is pure totalitarian.
Why is it that you are more offended by the messenger than by the actions of those who committed the crimes mentioned by the messenger?
As for your use of the phrase "anti-military" it makes me deduct that in the face of a fourteen year old Iraqi boy being tortured by American soldiers, you would side with the thugs in your military.
You are surely a good little Alliance poodle aren't you now?
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Quote:Note that he discovered the series through seeing the film.
Originally posted by sagrilarus:
Note that he is reviewing the series, not the film.
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Note that he discovered the series through seeing the film.
With any luck others will as well. In my opinion, people coming to the series from the film will be simply knocked out of their socks. The movie plays better with people who don't know the series.
I still have the question standing though -- how come nobody that saw the pre-viewings of the film brought up these issues?
Sag.
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Short answer :
NO
Long answer :
I loved every minute of SERENITY It is simply the most entertaining and wonderfully scripted film to come along in decades. It advanced the characters just enough for the big screen, but kept them grounded sufficiently so that they all remained familiar with the characters we'd come to know and love.
Every frame that had a beam of light shining though it , and being projected up on the screen was utterly mesmerizing.
It was rich with narrative and brilliant with imagintation.Every flicker of celluloid was pure Joss Whedon and it was a thrill to sit through it. I will be waiting with eager anticipation, the DVD release so that I may be privy to the Directors comments.
Well done Joss.
Thanks
The Somnambulist
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I was disappointed by the deus ex machina moments.
Other than that, no. I'm upset Wash and Book died, but it's not like they were real people (like the 20,000 in the earthquake).
It was a damn fine movie.
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khimbar wrote:
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I was disappointed by the deus ex machina moments.
Which ones in particular Khimbar?
I'm just curious
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The one that rankles most of all is the way the Operative 'Mortal Kombat' fatality special move fails on Mal because of 'shrapnel'.
I didn't like that. I wanted Mal to win because he was cleverer, or more willing to die for his cause, or just through sheer bloody minded determination. I can't remember which book it's in but Han Solo thinks something like 'Luke and Leia might have the Force, but I can outdo the pair of them when it comes to chicanery'. I wanted Mal to chicane, to win through his strengths and intelligence, not through dumb luck.
The 'River becomes Buffy' bit I can live with the more I think about it.
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My friend and I actually laughed out loud at that point. I thought it was hilarious...
Thing is because Mal pretended he was paralysed he kinda won through chicanery anyhow. Because he knew what the assassin was doing (old assassin's trick I guess, of whom Mal would have had many an encounter with during the war perhaps)
But I know what you mean. However these conveniences are there you're right, I guess maybe I didn't mind them so much.
Actually now I'm wondering did he even have a scar there? You know the shot of when he's lying on his bunk, the camera is on his back did they illustrate a scar there at that point? Because if they did then that'll work better.....
...guess I'm going to have to watch it again :)
Cheers
the
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