BDM Double Meanings

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LIMINALOSITY

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:24 AM

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Originally posted by signine:
On the other hand, I don't know if it was intended this way or not, but when River and Mal take Serenity up (after presumeably weeks of repairs), you see the dinosaurs still on the console.

On the other hand, we never see the crew return to Serenity, we only see her taking off after repairs are complete, and those silly dinosaurs are still on the console. Is that Mal giving props to Wash, did everyone just forget about that? Is Zoe cool with seeing reminders of her dead husband everywhere? Serenity was fixed up, isn't it possible Wash could have been? I can see him demanding having a grave if he couldn't show up for the funeral.

It makes sense to ME anyway.

The dinos on the console has made me very uncomfortable since first viewing, and unlike Wash's death (which I'm at peace with) the dinos bothered me more, and it seemed there were more shots of more dinos the second time I saw Serenity. Dang, the crew wouldn't just leave them there. At least not without some word as to why. Zoe wouldn't have maybe stood for it anyway, as you say. Hmmmm.

Wouldn't that be just like Joss. Anyone remember the end bits of the Buffy episode "Lover's Walk" (one of my very favorite of all things)? Cordelia was...wait an f'ing minute...she was bloody well -impaled- by falling onto a piece of rebar...it looked very bad for the good guys, or anyway for Cordelia. Next shot is a boom shot of a funeral with some Scooby-looking attendees and you hear the minister giving an 'ashes to ashes' sermon. Camera descends to street level, and -look! Buffy and Willow walking down the street, passing right in front of the funeral which isn't Cordelia's after all. Joss is a tricksy naughty man.

Signine, you may have something here!

Oh, and one other thing. The second time I saw the movie, I Forgot. To eat. My chocolate. This is a thing that has never happened. Not the first time I saw it, the second. I like this movie a lot.

"You want a slinky dress? I can buy you a slinky dress...Captain, can I have money for a slinky dress?" -Wash

BRAINYSMURF00

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:30 AM

One sort-of-double-meaning I noticed is that Book said that the Alliance would "come at them sideways" and then, the ships when they were waiting in the ion cloud actually looked sideways compared to the ships in the tv pilot Serenity.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:40 AM

Book's blood filled whisper into Mal's ear :

Shepard understands that Mal lost all trust in
many things
, not only the lord or his god, but in people aswell. He tells Mal no matter what his philosophy - that he has to believe - have faith in humanity and his crew -
and a hardened Mal then finally puts trust in his people, River Tam, and starts to trust the people of the worlds he's willing to inform about Reavers.

ENGINEANGEL

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:39 AM

I've heard that all of the cast has been signed on for the next sequels. That could mean three things - the first two were already mentioned by signine:

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So I've got an interesting one for you, it's been mentioned that Wash will appear in any sequel to Serenity. It would follow then that we're either going to have a crazy Whedon moment (Wash's clone! Wash was a robot and the real Wash is in captivity! Wash's Ghost!), actually that would be a crazy writing moment, apart from Whedon, or Wash survived.

- crazy whedon momment: A clone is a possibility, but the real wash is in captivity and was a robot just doesn't work. Joss would never do that. And do you think Zoe would have reacted the way she did (come on Wash, baby, get up!!!) if he was just a robot) No, that one doesn't work. My favorite scenario is that Wash comes back as a ghost only River can see. he can't leave the ship because he hasn't yet made peace with Zoe. He didn't even get to say good-bye.

River can see him because she is a phsycic and can sense feelings and stuff around her.

- Wash survived: no way. The poll went straight through his stomach and he was left there too long before anyone could see to his wound. Lost to much blood and why would they have a funeral for him if he wasn't dead?

but signine left one out that I don't particularly like but just might happen: flashbacks (for both book and wash).
- flashbacks: they may very well happen. The next movie might very well be dealing with Zoe and how she and the rest of the crew are getting over the death of Wash. You can already see that they can't totally let him go - the dinosaurs are still there. The second movie might also be dealing with Zoe questioning what she does: we already see some of that after Mal wouldn't dump the cargo and take that man with them ("in the time of war, we would have never left a man behind.") - and when she says that, you can see that for several seconds afterword she seems to be questioning why, but then she turns her attention to Wash and it's all okay. Well, wash isn't there anymore so what's going to happen next time around?

just my thoughts
keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

RELFEXIVE

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:57 AM

Everything strange said by River means something.

"I swallowed a bug" - barnswallow

"He didn't lie down... they never lie down" - Reavers were the ones who didn't lie down and die on Miranda

"Show me off like a dog... old men covered in blood, it doesn't touch them but they're drowning in it" - can't remember the exact words just now, but obviously refers to those key members of Parliament

"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
"Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all..."
I know the secret.
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LIMINALOSITY

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by MrsEmbassy:
I have a different take on Mal's conversation with Book. I've seen the film six times now, and I'm more and more convinced that Book isn't refusing to tell Mal his background; he's acknowledging that Mal already knows.

The exchange that immediately preceded those lines (Mal: "How does a shepherd know so much about that line of work?" Book: "I wasn't always a Shepherd.") is Book practically coming right out and TELLING Mal that he was an operative; so when Mal says, "You'll have to tell me about that someday," and Book replies, "No, I don't." He's basically saying, "No, I don't need to tell you... BECAUSE I JUST TOLD YOU."

-Mrs. Embassy

I think you have it there.

Here's another tidbit: Mal's scene with Inara where he tells her 'I got no rudder, wind blows north, I go north...' then in few seconds later he says 'you spin me about, fog things up' ha ha ha ha ha what is she, the south wind - she is his rudder, he just doesn't recognize it. That's a cute little D.M.

Another frosting covered seven layer tidbit I enjoyed was the whole murky business with the classroom, one of River's nightmare rooms where shitty things happen. When she was starting to get clear about the Pax/Reaver information that was frying her brain, there's that scene where she tiptoes into the classroom in her sexy hospital gown. She looks down at the deskscreen and floating behind the Chinese characters is Miranda. She pulls it todard her mind, and then there's a reverse perspective shot of giant River looking through the deskscreen at the spinning planet below (planet shown in real colors, River in nightmarespace glow). That was fab. The whole thing where the classroom was nightmare space for her was creepy-good. I liked the actress playing little River too, she was so believable -'we're in their ** and in their heads, and we haven't the right'.

I'm experiencing withdrawal, should possibly return for another viewing. MrsEmbassy above writes that she's seen it six times, I read someone else saying thirteen times, ok, so four times isn't crazy, right? I did get my homework done.

"The leg is good. It'll bleed plenty and we avoid any necessary organs" -Mal

ENGINEANGEL

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:51 PM

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written by RelFlexive:
Everything strange said by River means something.
1) "I swallowed a bug" - barnswallow
2) "He didn't lie down... they never lie down" - Reavers were the ones who didn't lie down and die on Miranda
3) "Show me off like a dog... old men covered in blood, it doesn't touch them but they're drowning in it" - can't remember the exact words just now, but obviously refers to those key members of Parliament.

1) eh ... it's not a huge thing. I think it might just have been comic releif.
2) totally agree with you on this point.
3) I agree with you here as well. "Show me off like a dog": remember in the beginning we hear that the man saying that key members of parliament have seen River.

keep flyin'
EngineAngel

"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)

JCLAST

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:14 PM

I never got into Buffy or Angel, but has Joss ever done time travel before? My reason for asking is this:

Maybe Book doesn't need to tell Mal his story because Mal is experiencing it. The implication is that Book was an operative, but what if we was _the_ operative?

Then it also makes sense that the operative reformed. He travelled back to try and help Mal et al, but he couldn't stop his prior self.

Both characters are phenomenally calm, cool, and collected. And on the surface, they're both fairly muscular black men. Joss very well could have given us all something that we've been wanting all along without even telling us.

SHANNY

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:13 PM

I'd have to say my take on the Wash thing is that they were referring to the Reavers helping them out with the Alliance, willingly or not. But I guess I definitely didn't see his death coming. I think Joss put that in there to remind us of the mortality of them all. Like someone else said, he was a leaf on the wind, but mortal enough on the ground. Firefly is supposed to be a bit more realistic and you can't do high adventure things like that without someone getting hurt.

As for River and her "do you" comment. I think she could tell something big was about to happen, and Mal has sort of taken over the role of her and Simon's guardian. As we saw in Safe when she says "daddy will come." She knows she's going to need his help to get through it all and I think she knows he pretty much will help her with anything.

I think the thing about Zoe is right on though. Mal and Zoe have a way of speaking to each other without words. She hasn't come through a civil war and all their hardships to give up with the death of her husband. She'll keep flying true under her Captain. It's just Zoe's way.

Oh, I'm gonna go to the special hell.

BLINKER

Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:47 PM

The title is a double entendre in itself, considering the fate of Miranda.

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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Wash's death made sure everyone in the theatre thought, "Oh God, Oh God, They're all going to die!"

Which is, after all, the definition of interesting -- in adventure movies as well as landings.

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