Anyone else disappointed?
POSTED BY: sagrilarus
UPDATED: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Have you seen the movie? He kept running and running and running. That is until Book got killed. That was pretty much at the end.
He ran twice, once from the Reavers at the beginning, and then from the Operative. What was he supposed to do? Try to save the town from the Reavers? Take on the entire Alliance by himself?
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He backed down from Simon. I'll say that again. HE BACKED DOWN FROM SIMON.
How much more do you need it spelled out for you?
Maybe it was because Mal knew that Simon was justified in punching him, not to mention the fact that River was there.
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There's a difference between, directly questioning him, which is out of character for her.
And you might want to think about this. Here's my opinion but whatever you decide I'll back you.
The fomer is the movie, the latter the series. They are distinctly different.
There is a difference but not a huge one. The movie takes place months after the show, it is possible that some incidents took place during that time strained their relationship and since Mal has become grimmer during the months, he may have simply become unresponsive to Zoe’s passive questioning of his actions.
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Funny you should mention Jaynestown. I just watched it literally, 4 hrs ago.
So, you're conjecture about him sacrificing himself is no, he wouldn't be willing to do that. There is a difference between being sad or fustrated with something that happened and willing to do something that drastic to change it. You are seeing a kindness that doesn't exist in him.
You do realize that from the same ep you mention, it gets known that he tossed his own partner out of a hovercraft at 20-30 feet out for the sake of profit, right?
The people at Haven were his friends, or at least Book was, and he does care about his friends. He did look quite concerned when Kaylee was shot in the show’s pilot. Somehow I doubt that he was friends with the guy he dumped out of the plane 4 years ago.
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Jayne also wouldn't be scared of any reprocussions that long after that incident. 1) It is at least questionable to say that he even thinks about it anymore 2) Everyone already knows what he did; at least Simon, River and Mal knows. It'd be hard to keep something like that a secret.
Assuming that another incident didn’t take place during the months between the show and the movie.
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And how would him objecting to something that Mal proposed be oooo so scary for him? Mal might kill him if he said anything.
Mal: What happens when the money is good enough?
Jayne: Well, that'll be an interesting day.
That ring a bell?
That was months before the movie, it is possible for a person to change, plus that was before Ariel.
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About him being stupid. Next time you see it, just listen to his dialog. There is a difference between making fun of someone that is stupid and being stupid. Of course for the former to hold weight the latter must be true. But, just because the latter is true, doesn't make the former a necessity.
Give an example of Jayne’s “stupid” dialogue in the movie.
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Actually he is. Remember when he jumped over the railing in Serenity (ep not movie) while the fed was hauling her out? Rather hasty and screwed it up. If Mal hadn't come along there would've been a rather nasty situation.
What about when he tried to help River in Objects in Space?
He is a bumbling fool when he has to help River. Just because he's willing to put himself in danger doesn't change this.
Not knowing how to fight is not the same as being a bumbling fool. He kept it cool on Ariel and didn’t make any mistakes; he even saved a man’s life without screwing up the mission.
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You are making the leap from trained to fence to knowing how to fight which is completely unjustified.
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In answer to the original question... I was fairly determined to be positive about the BDM but... well, I don't know if I'm disappointed, but I am definitely in a kind of mourning.
I've just got back from 6 months in rural Papua New Guinea; I had my firefly DVDs with me and made 1 family of fans (!), I was keeping a distant eye on FFFn, it was a story that spoke to me and my situation.
I stepped off the plane and within 4 hours was in a movie theatre (family not real impressed!). Maybe I need to see it a few more times to truly appreciate it, but it just feels like something that was very precious and important to me is... lost.
This is a personal response and is in no way intended to be a review of the movie; as I said to my brother, I'm suspending judgment until I've seen it 5 times.
Cheers all.
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Originally posted by minime:
Maybe I need to see it a few more times to truly appreciate it, but it just feels like something that was very precious and important to me is... lost.
I felt exactly the same way when I first saw Serenity. Then I realised I was comparing it to Firefly and that really was not fair. On my second viewing I really enjoyed the film in its own right.
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I agree. I am pissed off with Joss for not adhering to character and narrative consistancy. There is no excuse for not writing a script that retained the facts established in the series.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
But Inara, entering a fight between Mal and The Operative?!?! Whenever there was a fight in the series, she always just got out of the way (and pulled Kaylee out of the way with her ie the train job). Not to mention, where the hell did she get that flash thingy and know when to use it. Can we say, out of character/not realistic.
It would be foolish of the guild to send their women out without some form of protection. What are they suppose to do if one of their clients decides to beat them? I had always assumed that they had self defense classes, so had no problem with Inara entering the fight. It's not as though she was a superwoman, the operative took her down in seconds.
It would equally make sense for them to be trained in archery (I would think the rich still hunt), how to use a gun and fencing. They have to be able to fit in any social situation.
In Firefly Mal was generally on equal ground with the person he was fighting, so she left him to it. However, in Shindig he was outclassed, so she stepped into help. It's the same situation with the operative.
There is a cut scene that shows a bit about academy life. The girls are shown learning how to 'pleasure' their client, taking archery lessons, and calligraphy lessons. Personally I think the scene should have been left in because it gives new people a better idea of who Inara is and what she does. The scene is described in the visual companion.
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My general experience has been that the people I have encouraged to go see the film (i.e. people who don't even know what Firefly is)enjoyed it a lot more than I have. I suspect the dissappointment is all about expectation and a degree of anti-climax. We have all been waiting for this film for so long and now the verse could be dead to us all be over again. I certainly have not stopped thinking about it since I saw it 3 days ago so some of it must have got under my skin. I agree that for the fan it probably takes a second look to relax enough to enjoy it for what it is.
Firefly blew me away. Its briliant in so many ways. I'm sure I will be watching and enjoying those DVDs for the rest of my life. This film had a lot to live up to. I don't think its fair to expect the same entity that the TV show was to transfer without change to the big screen. This is a film that had to have mass appeal. My experience is that people who see it fresh think its a great night out, so I'd call that a success.
You have to give Joss Whedon a lot of credit for squeezing a story arc that he planned to develop over 50 or so episodes into a quality film that's a couple of hours long. The result isn't exactly Firefly but then Firefly as we know and love it died the minute Fox pulled the plug on it. I hope the film does well. I hope it gives Joss the opportunity to continue to entertain me in ever new and interesting ways, even if that's not in the form of Firefly, Serenity or the BDH's. Having said that I would straight down the multiplex to see Serenity II.
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Those talking about Inara attempting to fight the Operative.
I also assumed that Inara would have had some self defence training for being a companion - most of her clients may have been 'gentlemen' but that's not to say they all were. I don't see her trying to intervene in the fight as out of character at all.
Plus, there is also a lot about Inara's history that we don't know - what was she running from in Firefly?
Plus, Inara knew she was in danger, there was no reason for her not to think that she would have been killed by the Operative, she was cleary terrified of her so had nothing to lose by doing her best to help Mal.
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Originally posted by sagrilarus:
At the risk of having a hit called out on me, I'll keep the details of my opinions quiet. But I was very disappointed with the movie. With any luck, I am the only one. No one else here seems to be expressing that feeling. Just thought I'd toss it out and see if I'm alone or not.
First time I saw it, yes. The times after that, no. I love it more each time.
* I swallowed a bug *
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Originally posted by Howard:
The Studios are like the Alliance. There is a policy across all studios against ideas and opinions in big films this is acheived by dumbing down character exposition. I shall wait for the DVD in hope that some of the character exposition especially relating to Inara that was in the early cuts will be put back into the movie.
Whenever I read stuff like the above, I have the same reaction. Which is that I think you're giving them (in this case, "The Studios") WAY too much credit.
People are stupid and scared. Period. I don't know what you do for a living, but in my work I sometimes have to give presentations at big companies. I always get a little nervous beforehand...I wonder "Do I really know what I think know? Will people see that?"
Then I get to the meeting, often with people who make 10 times as much / year as I do, and I realize that nobody really knows what they're doing. And that I do much more than I was worried about.
People are, for the most part, playing adult...doing and saying things they think they're supposed to. Sure, there are many, many exceptions to this, but again, the point is that people get scared when they don't understand things.
And when that happens, they bring the things in question down to their level so that they can understand them.
And then the people who understood them in the first place are disappointed, and typically point to some type of conspiracy (no offense) because it really does feel like somebody's out to get you. I just don't buy it.
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