Friday (2nd week) estimates--WE'RE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE!

POSTED BY: StakeTheLurk
UPDATED: Monday, October 10, 2005 15:14
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EVERYWORLDSPINNIN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Blinker:
Here's a new promotional tool I've been hammering out. Fifty critics wax rhapsodic over the BDM:

http://slidersweb.net/serenity

Next up, a printable version suited to handouts and postering. (Although if anyone else wants to make one first, I'd be thrilled. It'll probably turn out a lot better than mine.)

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Sliders: Gate Haven - http://slidersweb.net/blinker

This would be nice as a poster in the lobby of any theater. Nice work.
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"The last thing I want is that any of our descendents should look back in some years and despise us for not daring to act when we had so much capacity to act. We must dare to seek how, why and on what we agree. We shall thus be able to join together to look for alternative solutions and new ways of managing the world's challenges. Being diverse is our richness, acting together will be our strength". (Federico Mayor; 02-04-01;
UBUNTU Constituent Meeting).

NEVETEXTOR

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MartinG:
I have to comment at Universal for this. This is a marketing disaster. Way to ruin a film!

I'm glad to know that fandoms are still fond of canibalizing themselves and attacking the people who might plausibly be seen as being on their side. First Fox killed it, now Universal. Because it can't possibly be that the movie and show just didn't have what it takes to succeed.

Sometimes good movies flop. Sometimes good ideas don't make it. And it's not because of lack of marketing. It's because, shocking a notion as this may be, people have different tastes. And sometimes things have limited audiences. Even good things.

It wasn't an easy movie to market. It's best understood by watching 14 hours of television first, it has no big stars, it's not an easy premise to describe. April wasn't a good time to release it - Sin City was still doing strong business, Hitchhiker's and Star Wars were around the corner, and the Interpreter would have been far rougher competition than the second week of Flightplan.

And, frankly, it makes me ashamed to call myself a browncoat if this is the way the fandom is going to act. We got a gift - we got a big damn movie that should never have been made. Cancelled shows don't get wrapped up in movies. Cancelled shows die and get forgotten. We got more than any other fandom I can think of. And what do we show for it? Bitterness, resentment, and accusation.

Nice going.

UMSUMAYYAH

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:04 AM

I plan to buy 3-4 copies of the DVD when it comes out.

WATCHALL

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:16 AM

Not sure if anyone else read this but "reliable industry sources" over at Digital Bits (link below) say Universal will soon announce the DVD release of Serenity for 12/20 (Yep That's This Year) Looks like Univeral could be trying to get more money from Serenity and QUICK.

Full story at.... http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#1006

Also (I think ) i can see Universal doing Serenity 2 and 3 But more likely Direct to dvd releases.

KELSO

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:20 AM

^ Well, the film was originally slated for April... so it makes sense that the DVD would be ready by now.

Putting it out during the holidays is the wise move.

Plus, Christmas will give Browncoats an excuse to purchase multiple copies. ;)

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Well, here I am.

FALLENANGEL

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:33 AM

As I mentioned in my blog, I guess I should start filling out an application for becoming a human incubator for cloned internal organs in the black market and raise enough money and give it to Joss and say "Here. Go on. Take it. Go make the sequel for us Browncoats. We're waiting. Don't ask where I got this money. You don't wanna know."

I wouldn't worry guys. There's still the DVD sales. I dunno know bout u guys but I'm buying like, ten copies, and who knows, what if they re-relase the movie again? I just wish I had so much money to go the movies more often and see Serenity so many times, like the Star Wars and Rocky Horror Pic fans.
Don't give up hope yet u guys. We made it this far.

We've done the impossible and that makes us mighty.

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"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."-Wash.

MARTING

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:39 AM

I would edit my post to ease it down a bit as i pushed it too far, but ive been quoted couple of times already with the worst line.. so n/m

Again, im greatful for the existence of this movie.

And maybe im wrong about Universal's marketing efforts, I'm mostly commenting on the advertising ive seen online.. and i havent seen any banners on the big movie sites.

Also im dissapointed about the number of theaters, i know a couple of people who were interested in seeing it in theaters, but because Serenity wasnt available in the theater in their town they chose to wait for the DVD.

So my aplogies to Universal, i guess i just hate the feeling that its not in my own hands. The movie is good, everyone i have gotten to watch the firefly dvd loved it or atleast liked it.. so the product and the taste of people matches.. but they only need to see it! and thats not happening on a scale i hoped for :(

On a plus side.. ive also talked to people who didnt know the show and LOVED the movie, called it the best movie they have seen in a very long time and were sure to check Firefly out!

In regards to user reviews and press reviews we're doing pretty dang good and just that we have this movie is indeed something to be thankful for and like Joss said the most important thing is to take 2 hours away from the fighting and fully enjoy the movie cause thats what it all has been about after all

FIREFLYGAL

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MartinG:
I have to comment at Universal for this. This is a marketing disaster. Way to ruin a film!

Ok, so here's my view:

Serenity has gotten a whole load of praising reviews. Serenity also opened in only 2000 theaters. So the first week was a bit dissapointing, mainly due to lack of interest which is caused by lack of good advertisement.

Now, the best way to go into the second weekend then is EXPANDING the number of theaters to 2750, ADVERTISING it EXCESSIVELY with use of the PRAISING REVIEWS.

That is the best way. Because a lot of situations like this would have happened then;

"hey did you know that that movie Serenity is now opening in out nearby theater as well?"

"-yeah i heard that, i saw it advertised yesterday and i heard its getting amazing reviews and it looks interesting, also i have a mate in los angeles that saw it and he loved it"

"well shall we go see it this night then"

"-sounds like a plan"

This was THE opportunity to launch it to a wider public as something new, fresh and appealing.

This weekend was Universals' second chance to do it right and they BLEW it. But looking from their past movies like cinderella they have a reputation of managing good movies to have poor box office results.

Not to mention the RELEASE DATE.. April 22.. hardly no movies to be seen, and the hype around it seemed bigger then. Now, especially in the second week a whole lot of competition. Atleast 3 times more than on april 22.. also this is the worst time of the year for good movies to do well.. this would have done so much better in november

ive made 7 people to buy the firefly dvd and they all loved it, i wished that a whole lot of people would be introduced with this great universe but sadly.. it wont happen.. not in theaters atleast

It would have been killed in November by Harry Potter.

I aim to misbehave!

Firefly items:
For lapel pins and badge holder lanyards
e-mail FireflyGal1@hotmail.com
www.cafepress.com/fillies
www.cafepress.com/fireflyflan

GROOSALUGG

Sunday, October 9, 2005 4:03 AM

Even if the BDM doesn't make another single dime, one thing I hope I never ever see again is a browncoat calling it a flop. The fact that it even got made in the first place is a tremendous success for Joss, the cast, and especially, the fanbase. Thanks to the crew for their labor of love on it (which definitely shows), and to Universal for paying for the damn thing.

I want a sequel. And then one after that. And then three more, just like what Star Trek got. But if it doesn't happen, I'm not going to let it spoil my enjoyment of this one, and I hope no one else does, either. Please, folks, don't get so wrapped up in the box office numbers that you don't let yourself properly appreciate what we DID get.

If this is all we get, don't let the lasting taste in your mouth be one of failure. Serenity is incredible--bask in the greatness of what was achieved, not the what-could-have-been of unrealized sequels.

Just trying to be Perspective Guy...

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Sunday, October 9, 2005 4:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
Actually, Waterworld made nearly $100 million profit at the box office. Not what I'd call a flop...

Perhaps I chose a poor example. Perhaps not. I remember the critics chastising it, the news reporting what a ridiculous amount of money it cost to make, and the fact that they released it into every theatre they could in the world to make it look like people actually liked it and so they could make money (because I'm sure places like Thailand and Columbia had lots of movie options *sigh*). Of course, that is my biased view of the thing, and I admit it freely but only because:

Where are its sequels?
Its TV show(s)?
Its merchandise?

Never will be.
Won't happen.
And forgotten to the sands of time (did you see THOSE action figures?!? Ai ya, those were crap!).

Part of my point here, is money isn't necessarily the bottom line directly. Now think about all the licensing and product rights, such as the action figures, the soundtrack, the books, and when released, the DVDs. These will help determine the future of a FRANCHISE. The money that comes indirectly

How many Star Trek movies and spinoff TV series are there? How many of those shows and films were genuinely bad (more than most will admit to)? Yet they keep making them. They keep selling toys, gadgets, collectibles, and throngs of them show up at conventions. Doubly so for Star Wars (which as I have opinionated before, that franchise gets worse with each installment).

Franchises aren't planned, in reality. They happen. They happen, because OVER TIME they grow. How many Browncoats were there when the show aired? Far less than there were AFTER the same Browncoats started selling/giving pirated copies of the show to others via ebay and other ways, forcing Fox to at least admit there was a demand for DVDs with the whole series...and were they right? Damn skippy. Everyone associated with it said it exceeded expectations. And NOW how many Browncoats are out there? And how many more are to BECOME Browncoats yet?

My god, your god, anybody's god! 8 days. EIGHT GORRAM RUTTIN' DAYS...and people are acting like it is the end of the 'Verse.

Again, I am grateful for what Joss and Universal has given us. Grateful for the Browncoats who came before me and didn't let Firefly die. Grateful for the opportunity to be a part of something that, even if it is not historic, certainly meant something to alot of very special people.

You want to crap in my yard, mule? Well, I know how to use it for fertilizer. If this movie fails (and that is so subjective a term), it won't be my fault, it won't be Joss's fault, it won't be Universal or Fox or Chris Buchanan or even Jodie Foster's fault. It's the fault of those who EXPECTED it to fail. The fault of those who cried because the release date was moved, cried because the movie wasn't what THEY would've written, cried because not enough people went to see it when they wanted them to, and cried because people like me are grateful for something special that shouldn't even exist and that, somehow, is a burr in their saddle.

I won't cry if Firefly/Serenity doesn't continue. Sure, I'll be sad, but I won't curse the people who made its continuance possible.

It is, in my mind, not only one of the best sci-fi movies ever made, but one of the best movies ever made. And if the possibility of getting another one made means I have to buy copies of the DVDs (both series and movie) for my friends and family, post guerilla marketing everywhere, stay active on fansites, host shindigs, attend cons dressed as a Firefly character, or any other multitude of things that have kept other franchises alive, I will.

Being a Browncoat is more than being a fan. Its about belief in something. Its about fighting for what you want, even if you may not deserve it or others would keep you from it. Hell, Joss spells this out to those loyal fans IN THE MOVIE. He says, by way of the movie, "Thank you. Thank you for helping make

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