Anyone else disappointed?
POSTED BY: sagrilarus
UPDATED: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05
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Kaylee is indeed a farm girl, and it's not the nature of the comment that bothered me. It's the way it took eight seconds to spit out something that sounded like it was out of a bad Shakespeare ad lib. The joke is there, the concept is fine, but the actual line,
"Been more'n a year since I had anything twixt my nethers didn't run on batteries."
I just cannot imagine that Jewel was happy when she was reading that on the page. "Joss is boss" got that one onto the screen. I just can't get over the fact that the dialogue was wrong. Joss is legendary for his dialogue.
Sag.
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"She likes engines, they make her hot."
"Gravboot ain't your trouble. I seen the trouble plain as day when I was down there on my back before."
"Have good sex."
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
SAGRILARUS, I wasn't responding to your complaints about the characters, which are pretty vague, except for the example about Kaylee and the vibrator. I was responding about your inability to suspend disbelief while watching the movie.
I suspended my disbelief just fine. I have no concerns with the plot. The characters have been irreversibly changed. Watch the episodes again -- the characters have MAGNIFICENT definition. By the end of the pilot you really have an insight into who they are; you want to know them better. They are clear, concise. They have mysterious aspects, but they are consistent. The film just ignored all that. Pretty vague? I sure am. I have no idea how to describe the fact that the same actors seemed to be playing different people, with different motivations and actions.
Vague is an excellent choice of terms. In the series, the characters weren't vague. Now they are. I have no idea what they would be like if a sequel were to be made. I don't know these people anymore. They are undefinable.
Sag.
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I love that line! I've seen the movie 5 times and it gets big laughs in the theatre every time.
I mean, 'Twixt my nethers'! That is exactly why I loved Firefly's lingo, and why I think it carried into Serenity. It's all musical and such.
I really thought the whole thing was darling, and executed with that sort of frankness and humor that make a line like that work for a girl like Kaylee.
"I'll be in my bunk."
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Originally posted by sagrilarus:
I suspended my disbelief just fine. I have no concerns with the plot. The characters have been irreversibly changed. Watch the episodes again -- the characters have MAGNIFICENT definition. By the end of the pilot you really have an insight into who they are; you want to know them better. They are clear, concise. They have mysterious aspects, but they are consistent. The film just ignored all that. Pretty vague? I sure am. I have no idea how to describe the fact that the same actors seemed to be playing different people, with different motivations and actions.
Vague is an excellent choice of terms. In the series, the characters weren't vague. Now they are. I have no idea what they would be like if a sequel were to be made. I don't know these people anymore. They are undefinable.
Sag.
Your comments are still pretty vague; you still haven’t given any specific examples. Yes, Mal was darker in the movie and he was more concerned with surviving than protecting the feelings of the crew. Zoe was the same, following orders even if it conflicted with her personal beliefs. Jayne was the same, more concerned with survival than anything else. Kaylee was the same, although less spunky that she used to be. Simon was a bit more aggressive but otherwise unchanged, very protective of River just like in the show. River, she’s probably the character that changed the most, she’s much more lucid and less insane. Unfortunately, Wash, Book, and Inara really didn’t get enough scenes for me to get a reading of their characters, and Inara did seem kind of out of place.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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The movie WAS different, why can't people grasp that? Liberties were taken when he chose to. Mal/Simon being the most obviously changed.
BASED ON, not a direct continuation.
For example, there's no way in hell Mal from the show would resort to telling the doctor to basically go to hell as he does at the start of Serenity. Once he uttered the words(on the series), "You're on my crew", that remains. I highly doubt Mal would ever take that back except by the other person choosing to leave or Mal himself killing said person. Jayne flatout betrays him on the series, he remains crew.
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Well I have only thus far seen the 9 minute on-line trailer and my worst fears were confirmed.
In the show Simon was a nice wuss and that is how he should be. He had members of an underground resistance get River out to him then they got out together. Furthermore while Simon is pretending to be an official the doctor/torturer/spawn of Donald Rumsfeld tells Simon that the subject is being prepared for military applications. In the series he had to learn this information by deduction.
I have had a bad feeling all along about this movie project because I have seen how the system works. The X-files movie was awful and STNG which on TV had drama of depth became dumbed down in their films. The more money the more CGI the less character the less drama the weaker ideas the more absent opinions. The absence of opinion is what the corporate regime wants. It is their condom against political dissent.
The Studios are like the Alliance. There is a policy across all studios against ideas and opinions in big films this is acheived by dumbing down character exposition. I shall wait for the DVD in hope that some of the character exposition especially relating to Inara that was in the early cuts will be put back into the movie.
Deleted scenes I don't want. Just look at the series box set there is an outstanding speech that Zoe has to Simon about war and history that was cut from the pilot. This is all part of high complex of censorship and defacto censorship in a very sophisticated, dictatorial, American capitalist corporate complex. The pressure felt by talent is so strong that the powers that be know they can count on the talent giving it up without even being asked. Sometimes it is demanded while often the fences are staked clear so the talent does not even dare to go there.
It is time that people like Joss Whedon and Marti Noxon understood that they could achieved independence by developing a fresh concept for a DVD series financed in the same way that indie movies are financed. Free from television networks and movie studios today's technology makes this possible along with the independent financing available from the finance sector espcecially for people with well established career credentials. It is not capital that is the problem the problem is capital controlled by a corporate complex.
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The line is good and typical of Kaylee.
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The line is good and typical of Kaylee.
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